Michigan welfare recipients couldn't claim major prizes
Michigan lawmakers are being asked to prevent any person receiving welfare from winning major Michigan State Lottery prizes, and the idea has area residents and business people at odds.
If signed into law, the proposed legislation would prohibit a person getting welfare, food stamps or Medicaid from collecting a lottery prize of more than $600. If the prize were larger, the portion not paid to the winner would go to the state School Aid Fund, as does all unclaimed lottery prize money.
House Bill 6534 was introduced Oct. 5 by state Rep. Tom McMillin of Rochester Hills and co-sponsored by House members Jim Stamas of Midland, David Agema of Grandville and Pete Lund of Shelby Township. All are Republicans.
McMillin, a freshman legislator, said he introduced the bill because the concept had been on his mind and he wanted to "open up debate."
"The lottery is a bad gamble for a lot of people," McMillin said. "Some people play it for recreation. One too many times, I saw people standing in line who appeared to be poor and they were buying tons of lottery tickets."
McMillin said his goal is to keep people in need from wasting money.
"They should save it and buy some clothes and food — and make sure they're looking good when they go out for a job interview," McMillin said.
"You can't stop somebody from buying the tickets," he added, "so this was the only way to dampen the desire to throw their money away."
Local views about the proposal seem mixed.
"That ain't right," Paul Schultz, 53, of Port Huron said. "That's not fair. They paid for their ticket. It might help them out."
"Why should they do that?" said Norene Ruel, 59, of Port Huron. "I don't think that's right. If they want to spend their money on the lottery, let them."
Tom Bachman, 66, of Port Huron had a different perspective.
"If they're on welfare," he said, "they've got no business spending their money on the lottery."
Bachman's view was echoed by Najib Kakos, who owns Buscemi's/Beverage Barrel in downtown Port Huron, where lottery tickets are sold. He said the legislation would have his support regardless of its impact on lottery sales at his business.
"We have family members that own businesses in the Detroit area, primarily in really poor neighborhoods," he said. "Their lottery sales are unbelievable compared to ours.
"If you're barely making it, you shouldn't be gambling," Kakos said. "The money should be used for food and shelter. It doesn't matter if it hurts our sales — it's about doing what's right."
One owner of a ticket outlet disagreed.
"If a person got a million-dollar ticket, then they should win a million — or $50,000 or whatever," said Dennis Zielke, owner of Adair Market in Casco Township. "They should be able to have it."
Owners of several local stores that sell lottery tickets declined comment.
Andi Brancato, director of public relations for the Michigan Lottery, said there are concerns about the idea.
"There are some questions about the enforcement provisions which we don't really feel are in the bill right now," she said. "So, without any enforcement provisions, it's difficult for us to elaborate on the bill."
McMillin said enforcement would occur at the state level because $600 is the maximum amount that can be paid out at the store where the winning ticket was bought.
For any greater prize, "the winner has to come to Lansing to get it," he said, "and they can match up the name and ensure that they're not on state assistance."
McMillin said he knows of no other state that has adopted such a plan but said a similar bill was considered — and rejected — in Tennessee.
As for his own proposal, "I don't expect it to necessarily pass this year," McMillin said.
When I see someone drop $800 IN FOOD STAMPS THEN WALK OVER TO THE LOTTERY COUNTER AND DROP ANOTHER $50 FOR LOTTERY THEN HOP IN TO A NAVIGATOR WITH GOLD RIMS AND RUNNING LIGHTS, I'M SORRY BUT, THEY ARE REALLY NOT THAT NEEDY.
Food stamp abuse is running wild in Michigan, we now have people moving here to get better welfare bennies.
There are truly people in need here and when the system is abused it takes away from families and the brink of disaster.
this is a toughy, how about they take what theyve ben paid in welfare out the prize? take the whole prize just because someones down on their luck.
are not a lot of people out of work over there now?
winning a nice amount will disqualify them from payments, and they will spend the money like drunken sailors.
sure the cash was a handout.
but man people have to have some hope in their lives.
The politicians stealing money from the citizens!
AGAIN!
We are citizens .... not sources of income !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this legislation, but to those who say "subtract the welfare payouts from a prize (if they win one)", that does not solve the problem they are trying to address. It does not discourage welfare recipients from playing, because the amount of welfare payout removed from a jackpot is negligible, compared to the overall jackpot. Meanwhile, the chances of actually winning the jackpot is very small, and the probability that the welfare money is being spent on losing lottery tickets is much higher.
One thing I do agree with, as far as this legislation is concerned, is that people should NEVER gamble with money that they cannot safely afford to lose. The lottery is entertainment, not an investment.
On the other hand, I am very much against government intrusion. I do not believe the government has any right to tell people not to gamble. That includes over the Internet. (Just like how the government should not take from one group of people and give it to another.)
Perhaps the politicians should just grow a backbone and reform the welfare system, rather than tinkering with the lottery.
I agree with the sentiment, but the "government" is so intrusive these days, that the list of what we are allowed to do will soon be very short!
I am on Social Security Disability. I spend $2 to $4 a week either Mega Millions or Powerball. This is my only hobby. Should I win; does the "government" have the "right" to limit my winnings?
"Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness" - kinda' in the Constitution!
We the People! ....... NOT ......... "We the Government"
I'm proud to be American but since I've been here (China), it seems that the USA is becoming more and more NOT '"for the people, by the people". I've been away from the USA for over 4 years and so much has changed. Don't think I will go back for a long while, except to visit.
here in australia, they have something called, " quarantined payments "
there is half the welfare check goes onto a gov card. and it cant be spent on stuff like smokes, alcohol gambling, other half can be spent how the person likes.
"One too many times, I saw people standing in line who appeared to be poor and they were buying tons of lottery tickets."
I don't know how appearing to be poor proves the players are on welfare because I stopped on my way home from working in a factory many days and I certainly wasn't dressed in my Sunday best. Anybody would have thought I was very poor especially when I got into the beater car I drove to work.
This bill won't prevent anyone from buying tickets or collecting over $600 when they can simply get someone to cash it for them for a commission. Part of the Dateline NBC investigation was about the relatives of store owners collecting multiple jackpots. None of the store owners said they were cashing the tickets for players who didn't want it know they won, but it's obvious they were because of the large number of winners.
If it's true that some Welfare recipients have enough money left over to purchase "tons of lottery tickets", the legislators ought to be investigating their Welfare Department and not worry how people dress when buying lottery tickets.
Just another way the rich get richer and the poor get more poor.
If this thing does end up getting approved, at the very least they should allow welfare recipients to collect the winnings MINUS the amount they have been given in welfare. That way they would have all of their welfare checks paid back. I do not agree with disqualifying people from being able to win just because they are on welfare.
There are many of times where less wealthy people have won large jackpots. Its all about being lucky. Some less wealthy people are in financial ruin due to unforseen circumstances.
What if a child had to have a heart transplant which cost the parents every penny they had, and ended up having to recieve welfare? Why should those parents not be able to claim a jackpot if they won?
Not fair to ban them all
If they really wanted to quit wasting taxpayer money, they'd close the State House.
Look I think everyone here is missing the point! I think it needs to be done just like what ALL the states that have lotteries do already to those who win money over the $600.00 dollars that owe back state taxes or child support, take as much of it to satisfy just what they owe! And yes the Federal Government does the same thing to those who owe back child support or back Federal taxes that are getting a tax refund for any given year! They pay up every penny of what they owe before they can get any refund check!
And that's exactly what needs to be done to those who receive state assistance. Anyone who is on any state assistance program shouldn't be spending the money that's given to them by that states tax payers on gambling PERIOD! And those who are getting that assistance check and gambles that said money and wins any money over the the $600.00 dollars should have to forfit all of the winnings to that states assistance check program to satisfy all or part of what they have already received from that states assistance check program!!!!! No ifs ands or butts about it!
It's only fair to the tax payers of those states!
Are they serious? I sure hope this doesn't pass. Did it ever occur to these lawmakers that these people are playing to get OFF welfare. SMH
Social Securtiy payments are NOT welfare, you paid for that benefit during your working years each week by FICA taxes. Therefore, as you get benefits which you are well entitled to you should be able to do whatever the HELL you want and screw the Government for telling you what you can or cannot do.
"Perhaps the politicians should just grow a backbone and reform the welfare system, rather than tinkering with the lottery."
I thought you just said you did not like government intrusion? You do not agree or disagree,... how wishy-washy. Government is not telling people they cannot gamble, read it again. Nowhere does it say they are tinkering with the lottery. State governments that have lotteries do not tinker, but rather run it like a business. Is there something wrong with the welfare department doing the same? Do you know the terms of use the recipient signs to? There are use restrictions by LAW. That is backbone.
This is reform. I like these Republicans! They have backbone!
Wait until you hear the entertainment entitlements like subscription TV and internet are withdrawn. Persue happiness on your own dime. Welfare people are malcontent when it comes to what they think the government should do for them so there is no happiness they could ever be granted or persue through welfare. Entertainment is not a constitutional entitlement, anybody who thinks it is, is touching themselves.
DD
"Did it ever occur to these lawmakers that these people are playing to get OFF welfare."
Did it ever occur to you to consider the odds that they'll get off welfare that way? The lotteries generally pay out 50 cents on the dollar, and jackpots have odds starting at about 10 million to 1. On average it takes $10 million to win a jackpot of $5 million. If you think it makes sense to let people who claim to need government assistance to get by to spend $10 million so that one of them can win a jackpot and stop collecting government assistance there's a major flaw in your thinking process.
"The politicians stealing money from the citizens!"
Where do you think the money that people on government assistance get comes from? It's money from taxpayers. You know, money that you think politicians stole from people. I've got no problem with the government collecting taxes for things that are essential, but giving money to people on welfare so that they can play the lottery misses that list by a wide margin.
It's really simple. If you're on welfare and you can find $10 to spend on lottery tickets then your welfare payments are at least $10 more than they should have been.
wow now I have heard everything !!!! this simpleminded lawmaker is a complete fool ;
this attitude driven Klansmans and his folowers need to re-exaim their own lives before telling someone elese how to spend their moneyt.....
what about state contractors and lobbiest for the wine and beer industry???
they get tax dollars and who rents to the government office space ???
the pennys we give our citizens should be there money to-do what they think best.....
a lucky number could chang their whole life in an instant.........
Getting a job, is getting off welfrare , not gambling with tax payer money.
I guess if this bill would move one state over, I wouldn't be allowed to play the lottery at all either. Our family went on food stamps when my husband lost his job in April. Our amount that we receive has since been reduced since he found another job that pays a fraction of what he was making. So because we receive foodstamps ($88/mo., mind you...for a family of 5), I'm not allowed to spend a few dollars a week on a lottery?
When running for office, the pols like to TELL you it's a "benefit" or "entitlement" but it's nothing but a tax; the money goes into the General Fund. People think that by "paying into the system", they have the right to get payments back, later, but the courts have ruled otherwise.
Congress can change the rules on what they do with that money and who is "entitled" to receive it, at any time. See Flemming vs Nestor.
Gonnawin, technically if you held a job thru life and paid in state taxes, you deserve the programs offered when times get ruff. Sorry that some folks arent understanding of that dynamic to life.
I disagree with any law that inhibits a tax paying citizen yet allows any person ( non american) to claim and leave with the winnings....we dont seem to have a problem with that antic....
If the laws are over 18 and breathing...then that is that....
The state made it profits...this is double dipping....
gonnawinwatchme, I nor anyone else is saying that at all. I think most of us here have a problem with the assistance check that most welfare recipients receive is spent on the lottery instead of the children/family as intended (clothes, utility bills etc.)! I don't believe that a person who receives an assistance check is to spend any part of that money on any form of gambling, cigarettes or alcohol! That's the tax payers money that the state is giving away to people who can not support their family for whatever reason! And that's the only thing that cashed assistance check is to be spent on THE PEOPLE IN THAT FAMILY AS INTENDED, not the lottery!
He's a freshman legislator, who needs to build up some credits in the political arena, not protecting people. He must provide a more solid statistical research to convince people.
Just wait to see what happen to his votes next term. Because during this economic woes there are many people receiving "government" aids playing lottery. Their $1 dreams are being attacked; they will respond.
The main reason I think they don't tackle welfare reform, is because they lack Intestonal fortitude, nor testicles or both...!..
They need to stay out of peoples lives, instead of trying to lead them..
Barista, I respectfully differ with you ....a larger amount of folks are on it that use it wisely, yet its overshadowed and magnified by some of the incidences that are seen in larger city area groupings as opposed to small town workers who get yanked from jobs because the business ran off to mexico. In the matter of assistance checks...its very much managed the same way child support. PLease contact a lawyer on this, as I had to do, not a red cent needs to go to the child! Not one dern dime..its technically for the custodial adult , so until the laws change that child support actually goes to the childs welfare or care, we have no right to spew less then positive commentaries for welfare folks...statistically the average state residence(employed) pays less then half a percent a year to welfare assitance...most is contributed by the business tax's...You pay more in gas tax each time you fill up the pump!!! yet no complaints for folks who fuel up....
I disagree with any law that impedes someone who is poor to begin...surpressing them.....THink about it...if the person wins, they will go BUY things...increasing the economy.. (which Republicans LOVE!! ) and this should be a positive.....
I really think some class actions could transpire against Michigan if they discriminate in this manner...
dpoly1, we are the exploited, taxed, bankrupted, audited, feed, fined, foibled and fund-generating mice in the cage with the wheel. Your declaration doesn't mean much to a lifelong purveyor/recipient of government largess, who bows only to lobbyists and BIG Business. Sorry to burst your bubble, but we lost the "Citizen" status quite awhile back.
mjwinsmith, you can thank your lucky stars for the Obama "Miracle of Hope", as the Emperor revamps healthcare, social security, Medicare and the economy. Why, you might even have FIVE DOLLARS to wager, once Obama implements his full agenda!
Yes I agree. Also, this is discrimination of poor people and its unconsitunial and aginst our laws. What they should do is take what
monies they owe the system from their winnings, New York has a law that does just that.
It won't work. Just find a partner to cash the ticket.
So you're telling us you can't afford to feed your family without help from the rest of us, but you can afford to play the lottery?
well all the welfare recipients in Mi should go on strike!
i here you laugh. but i meana lotto ticket strike. not buy lotto or any lotto purchases for 6 months. see how the state gov like that drop in quick cash.
I know exactly what the odds are and I didn't say that is the ONLY way they can get off welfare it's one of many ways to get off the system. The same goes for people who are not on welfare, for some they play for a way out of their situation.
Speaking specifically for those that receive medicaid and food stamps.
Who says these people don't have jobs? Some of the people receiving benefits are employed they just don't make enough to make ends meet thus the need for food stamps or medicaid. Perhaps they have low wages and their employer doesn't offer health insurance so their options are to get insured by medicaid, hope they don't get sick, or pay the horrendous cost of medical care out of pocket which obviously they can't do if they are a low wage earner. Not everyone needing assistance is a leech!
So ......... instead of the winners getting off of welfare (if the win was significant) ...........
the GOVERNMENT takes the money .........
and the winners are still on welfare !?#$*
Only someone with a twisted sense of logic would find this ..................... logical !
its just a distraction tactic, get people squabbling over welfare people, and working people, isnt Mi a welfare state? didnt the guys riunning hte show cause all the troubles.
better blame and punish the poor instead of those really responsible.
yopu dont haver an auto industry,
a farmn industry
housing
realestate
better pick on the poor, everyone hates them.
vote the tea party unless this jerk is on their ticket. then vote someone else.
kick the whole lot out of office every election,before they get too comfortable.
The programs and, by extension, employees can't exist if not enough people need the "services".
This "twisted" logic is the budget backbone in many agencies and states.
People who are paid to put out wildfires have been known to set a few when they needed the money.
yeah i opolgise for making rash comments, i dont live there i dont know whats going on ill buttt out from here.
I was afraid to post about my situation because of responses like yours.
Yes, I spend $1-$2 a week on the lottery. If spending $5-$10/month on the lottery makes me a bad person, then so be it. I don't spend money on cigarettes, alcohol, or anything else frivolous.
Before my husband lost his job, I never asked for help from ANYONE. We ALWAYS stood up on our own two feet and now we can't. We're receiving $88/month for a family of 5. This alone only pays for my 8 month old's baby food and milk for the month. We don't use it for any of our own food because there simply isn't enough left over.
Thanks for the judgemental response, KY. I pray you never have to be in the position I'm in now and that you never fall down from your pedestal.
You hit on the point I was trying to make in my earlier posts. Your family has income it's just not enough. And if they would open their eyes they could see that you are one of the ones that has paid your taxes and now you need help. Some people just need to get off their I have all the answers soapbox and put themselves in someone else's shoes.
We have a government that can't keep businesses and banks from stealing poor folks money by giving them credit cards at usury interest rates. Or selling outdated and inferior food in super markets in poor neighborhoods now trying to keep poor people from trying to get some money from playing the lottery. I like the comment about using the money to buy clothes to go for a job interview. You'd also have to get a ticket to India or China since that's where big business is sending all the jobs. I say to these paragons of virtue to leave poor folks alone your screwing them enough as it is.