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jeffrey's avatar - moon
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Posted: October 21, 2010, 12:20 am - IP Logged

It won't work. Just find a partner to cash the ticket.

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    Posted: October 21, 2010, 1:56 am - IP Logged

    I guess if this bill would move one state over, I wouldn't be allowed to play the lottery at all either.  Our family went on food stamps when my husband lost his job in April.  Our amount that we receive has since been reduced since he found another job that pays a fraction of what he was making.  So because we receive foodstamps ($88/mo., mind you...for a family of 5), I'm not allowed to spend a few dollars a week on a lottery?

    So you're telling us you can't afford to feed your family without help from the rest of us, but you can afford to play the lottery?

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      Posted: October 21, 2010, 2:22 am - IP Logged

      well all the welfare recipients in Mi should go on strike!

       

      i here you laugh. but i meana  lotto ticket strike. not buy lotto or any lotto  purchases for 6 months. see how the state gov like that drop in quick cash.

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        Posted: October 21, 2010, 2:34 am - IP Logged

        He's a freshman legislator, who needs to build up some credits in the political arena, not protecting people. He must provide a more solid statistical research to convince people.

        Just wait to see what happen to his votes next term. Because during this economic woes there are many people receiving "government" aids playing lottery. Their $1 dreams are being attacked; they will respond.

        I Agree!This freshman will find out that he and his party need to stay out people lives. His next election will tell the deal about his unpopular bill in the state of Michigan. It's not going to cut the mustard, but will cut his terms. This Republican Party where do they stop, they want to be in your womb, bedroom,place to worship,the food you can buy,where you live and now who gets to gamble.This put the capital (I) in intrusion,where is the tea party on this. For the people who worry about what the people on assistance buy with their money,why don't you mind your own business, I don't hear about people  being this upset about the welfare that big business is getting, where is the outrage . It's peanuts what the average family on  assistance receive today.The poor is always on the hit list for everything that ills you.Michigan already takes whatever a winner owes the state or child support. They even take for businesses also ,especially medical bills.Yes Nod


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          Posted: October 21, 2010, 2:46 am - IP Logged

          I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this legislation, but to those who say "subtract the welfare payouts from a prize (if they win one)", that does not solve the problem they are trying to address.  It does not discourage welfare recipients from playing, because the amount of welfare payout removed from a jackpot is negligible, compared to the overall jackpot.  Meanwhile, the chances of actually winning the jackpot is very small, and the probability that the welfare money is being spent on losing lottery tickets is much higher.

          One thing I do agree with, as far as this legislation is concerned, is that people should NEVER gamble with money that they cannot safely afford to lose.  The lottery is entertainment, not an investment.

          On the other hand, I am very much against government intrusion.  I do not believe the government has any right to tell people not to gamble.  That includes over the Internet.  (Just like how the government should not take from one group of people and give it to another.)

          Perhaps the politicians should just grow a backbone and reform the welfare system, rather than tinkering with the lottery.

          Yawn The state of Michigan already takes out, whatever assistance given to the winner by the state.They also take out child support,medical bills and some business debts owed.Yes Nod

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            Posted: October 21, 2010, 9:58 am - IP Logged

            "Did it ever occur to these lawmakers that these people are playing to get OFF welfare."

            Did it ever occur to you to consider the odds that they'll get off welfare that way? The lotteries generally pay out 50 cents on the dollar, and jackpots have odds starting at about 10 million to 1. On average it takes $10 million to win a jackpot of $5 million.  If you think it makes sense to let people who claim to need government assistance to get by to spend $10 million so that one of them can win a jackpot and stop collecting government assistance there's a major flaw in your thinking process.

            "The politicians stealing money from the citizens!"

            Where do you think the money  that people on government assistance get comes from? It's money from taxpayers. You know, money that you think  politicians stole from people. I've got no problem with the government collecting taxes for things that are essential, but giving money to people on welfare so that they can play the lottery misses that list by a wide margin.

            It's really simple. If you're on welfare and you can find $10 to spend on lottery tickets then your welfare payments are at least $10 more than they should have been.

            I know exactly what the odds are and I didn't say that is the ONLY way they can get off welfare it's one of many ways to get off the system.  The same goes for people who are not on welfare, for some they play for a way out of their situation.

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              Posted: October 21, 2010, 10:03 am - IP Logged

              Getting a job, is getting off welfrare , not gambling with tax payer money.

              Speaking specifically for those that receive medicaid and food stamps.

              Who says these people don't have jobs?  Some of the people receiving benefits are employed they just don't make enough to make ends meet thus the need for food stamps or medicaid.  Perhaps they have low wages and their employer doesn't offer health insurance so their options are to get insured by medicaid, hope they don't get sick, or pay the horrendous cost of medical care out of pocket which obviously they can't do if they are a low wage earner.  Not everyone needing assistance is a leech!

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                Posted: October 21, 2010, 10:06 am - IP Logged

                So ......... instead of the winners getting off of welfare (if the win was significant) ...........

                the GOVERNMENT takes the money .........

                and the winners are still on welfare !?#$*

                Only someone with a twisted sense of logic would find this ..................... logical !

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                  Posted: October 21, 2010, 10:22 am - IP Logged

                  its just a distraction tactic, get people  squabbling over  welfare people, and working people, isnt Mi a welfare state? didnt the guys riunning hte show cause all the troubles.

                   

                  better blame and punish the poor instead of those really responsible.

                   

                   

                   

                  yopu dont haver an auto industry,

                  a farmn industry

                  housing

                  realestate

                   

                  better pick on the poor, everyone hates them.

                   

                   

                  vote the tea party unless this jerk is on their ticket.  then vote someone else.

                  kick the whole lot out of office every election,before they get too comfortable.

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                    So ......... instead of the winners getting off of welfare (if the win was significant) ...........

                    the GOVERNMENT takes the money .........

                    and the winners are still on welfare !?#$*

                    Only someone with a twisted sense of logic would find this ..................... logical !

                    The programs and, by extension, employees can't exist if not enough people need the "services".

                    This "twisted" logic is the budget backbone in many agencies and states.

                    People who are paid to put out wildfires have been known to set a few when they needed the money.

                    In neo-conned Amerika, bank robs you.
                    Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be the name of a convenience store, not a govnoment agency.

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                      Posted: October 21, 2010, 12:42 pm - IP Logged

                      yeah i opolgise for making rash comments, i dont live there i dont know whats going on ill buttt out from  here.

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                        So you're telling us you can't afford to feed your family without help from the rest of us, but you can afford to play the lottery?

                        I was afraid to post about my situation because of responses like yours.

                        Yes, I spend $1-$2 a week on the lottery.  If spending $5-$10/month on the lottery makes me a bad person, then so be it.  I don't spend money on cigarettes, alcohol, or anything else frivolous. 

                        Before my husband lost his job, I never asked for help from ANYONE.  We ALWAYS stood up on our own two feet and now we can't.  We're receiving $88/month for a family of 5.  This alone only pays for my 8 month old's baby food and milk for the month.  We don't use it for any of our own food because there simply isn't enough left over. 

                        Thanks for the judgemental response, KY.  I pray you never have to be in the position I'm in now and that you never fall down from your pedestal.

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                          I was afraid to post about my situation because of responses like yours.

                          Yes, I spend $1-$2 a week on the lottery.  If spending $5-$10/month on the lottery makes me a bad person, then so be it.  I don't spend money on cigarettes, alcohol, or anything else frivolous. 

                          Before my husband lost his job, I never asked for help from ANYONE.  We ALWAYS stood up on our own two feet and now we can't.  We're receiving $88/month for a family of 5.  This alone only pays for my 8 month old's baby food and milk for the month.  We don't use it for any of our own food because there simply isn't enough left over. 

                          Thanks for the judgemental response, KY.  I pray you never have to be in the position I'm in now and that you never fall down from your pedestal.

                          You hit on the point I was trying to make in my earlier posts.  Your family has income it's just not enough.  And if they would open their eyes they could see that you are one of the ones that has paid your taxes and now you need help.  Some people just need to get off their I have all the answers soapbox and put themselves in someone else's shoes.

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                            We have a government that can't keep businesses and banks from stealing poor folks money by giving them credit  cards at usury interest rates. Or selling outdated and inferior food in super markets in poor neighborhoods now trying to keep poor people from trying to get some money from playing the lottery. I like the comment about using the money to buy clothes to go for a job interview. You'd also have to get a ticket to India or China since that's where big business is sending all the jobs. I say to these paragons of virtue to leave poor folks alone your screwing them enough as it is.

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                              So you're telling us you can't afford to feed your family without help from the rest of us, but you can afford to play the lottery?

                              No No No! ,she not saying that ,but she is saying that someone in her family ,be it's her or her husband paid into the system and has just as much right to use it as big business and any one else.If only people could walk in your shoes before passing judgement.Evil Looking