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Posted: October 21, 2010, 8:16 pm - IP Logged

Sounds like we are trying to fix a 21st Century problem with 18th Century tools. 

If any lawmaker thinks the State should penalize a welfare recipient by limiting the amount of money they might win from playing the lottery, there is something wrong with the welfare system or something wrong about the lottery.  I will leave the final judgement up to you.

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    Posted: October 21, 2010, 8:39 pm - IP Logged

    Sounds like we are trying to fix a 21st Century problem with 18th Century tools. 

    If any lawmaker thinks the State should penalize a welfare recipient by limiting the amount of money they might win from playing the lottery, there is something wrong with the welfare system or something wrong about the lottery.  I will leave the final judgement up to you.

    Maybe something's wrong with the "lawmaker". Wink

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      Posted: October 21, 2010, 9:00 pm - IP Logged

      They already do something like this in Florida. If the recipient gets any type of government payment in $$$ and or they owe child support. They Deduct it from the winnings at the lottery office. there was a story not too long ago about an older gentleman who won 1 million dollar scratchoff and only got like 1/4 of it due to deductions and Child Support defaults. He was really upset in the Interview because he did not know this, had he knew this someone else wouldv cashed the ticket. 

      In My Opinion there is always going to be a way around it.

      Keep moving Forward.

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        Posted: October 21, 2010, 10:46 pm - IP Logged

        Here is my humble opinion on the matter: I do not think that the state of Michigan should pass this legislation.

        True, people who are on welfare or otherwise poor really should not play the lottery - they have better things on which to use their money - and if they do play, they should play only with the money they have. If they do win, then they will not need food stamps anymore; but if they do not win, and they have gambled away money that they do not have, they will face the consequences of their actions. I hope that those in the second category have the wisdom to link their excessive spending on the lottery to their poverty. It seems to me that this legislation might be being passed in an attempt to save people from themselves.

        Today's winning 3-ball is going to be a number between 000 and 999.

        In a lot of states, lotteries benefit education. That makes the REAL winners the only people who can't play!

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          Posted: October 22, 2010, 11:13 am - IP Logged

          Your always gonna have people abusing the system.  I was getting food stamps for a period of time and I would spend $1-$2 a week on a big game.  If we start with lottery what's next?  Telling people who get food stamps or welfare they can't buy a candy bar?

          The welfare system needs to be overhauled.  Drug test everyone on welfare - that's a good start.  My husband and I struggled to make ends meet years back and then I see people going into welfare and they got more benefits than me cause they lied about everything on their apps.  Overhaul welfare, leave the lottery alone.

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            Posted: October 22, 2010, 11:40 am - IP Logged

            Okay Mich, this is a double standard folks,now let's suppose this ruling takes place,

            Next it would be the people who took bail outs

            Then how far will lottery officials  go back to see if you receive Gov benefits?

            Many Many people have had to have help from time to time ,

            It won't be long before you would have to have a Million dollars in the bank to even play the dang lottery,Get real officials ,you can't decide to take over a person's winnings if they are poor and getting gov help,not gonna happen

            Rich or Poor everyone should have  equal Options

            when it comes to winning,Thanks everyone


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              Your always gonna have people abusing the system.  I was getting food stamps for a period of time and I would spend $1-$2 a week on a big game.  If we start with lottery what's next?  Telling people who get food stamps or welfare they can't buy a candy bar?

              The welfare system needs to be overhauled.  Drug test everyone on welfare - that's a good start.  My husband and I struggled to make ends meet years back and then I see people going into welfare and they got more benefits than me cause they lied about everything on their apps.  Overhaul welfare, leave the lottery alone.

              AMEN to the drug testing!!  I also think you need to be a United States Citizen to receive food stamps/welfare.  When I was being interviewed for food stamps, my counselor seemed shocked that I was a US citizen. 

              I don't know how long ago you were on food stamps, but you are required to provide proof of income.  When we started receiving, there WAS no income, so we received $786/month.  Once my husband started his job, it was required to provide 30 days worth of paystubs and then the amount is determined from there.

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                I am going to play devil's advocate. This could be a counter bill by Democrats.  Democrats think that people that earn over a certain amount are the "evil" rich. They say that those who have money don't deserve it, it is not fair that they have all of this money, and I don't. It is called class warfare.

                Let us introduce another bill that would ban anyone with a combined family income of over $75,000 from playing. Or how about this: if you win any jackpot that is above your yearly salary, you have to donate the rest back to education. It is only fair, right? They have enough money already, don't they? Maybe we should only allow the middle class to play. The poor are only throwing away their money, and the "evil" rich don't need it, right? I have a good idea: let's require all elected officials to take a polygraph. Questions might include "Did you ever make a campaign contribution that you did not intend to keep?" Or "have you ever passed a law that was not necessarily in the best interest of the people, but suited your own needs?"

                Oh what the hell. The government in some cases restricts the following: The way you dress (children in school). They need a uniform so that poor kids won't feel bad when they don't have the most stylish clothes.  Whether or not you can tell the other kids what your parents do for a living. After all, a kid who's daddy is a firefighter or school teacher does not make as much money as the kid whose parent is a pilot or a doctor, for example. You wouldn't want the poor kid to feel bad would you? They tell us that we can't put toys in Happy Meals, because that causes kids to eat "bad" food, which makes them fat. Some states ban the carry of guns. This makes since, doesn't it? After all, guns kill people, not the criminals who holds them, right? They are banning KNIVES in Australia. They found out that after banning guns there, people started killing each other with knives, and guns (yes the criminals still have them).

                The list goes on and on. Maybe the government should control EVERY aspect of our lives. We can go from citizens to complete slaves. Maybe they should tell us who we can marry. If you refuse to marry someone of the same sex, then maybe the government should force you to marry someone of another race. After all, us "breeders" are bad, and those who marry someone in their own race are "racist." I could go on and on. I am a Conservative, by the way, and I think ALL of these ideas are ridiculous: the ones I stated, as well as the proposed law.

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                  Either let them spend the money the way they see fit, or don't give it to them at all. Quit trying to control every aspect of their lives. Which government programs are OK, and which are not? Are food stamps OK, and welfare bad? What about unemployment? If the people are hungry enough, they won't spend all of their money on the lottery.

                  And another thing, I have been employed in good paying jobs, and looked like a bum, either while working (at some jobs), or just to run to the store. I have also worn a suit while unemployed. You cannot for one second tell if someone is rich or poor, or in between, just based on what they wear. It is impossible. You can only guess, and you might be surprised at the number of times that you are wrong.

                  And what about the clean shaven guy I saw the other day, wearing a suit, and riding a Harley Davidson?

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                    This is the most ridiculuos thing I have ever heard of and is just another example of what sad shape our country is in.  I'm not saying playing the lotter is or isn't a good idea.  But God knows, its hard enought to WIN the lottery because the state stacks the odds in its favor.  Maybe you are poor and are hoping to win the lottery to help you get out of the slums.  As I recall, just last month there was a story about someone who won the lottery just before they were about to lose their home--admittedly one happy store in a whole pile of sad ones for people who rely on the lottery for a way out.  BUT NONETHELESS--Then you DO win the lottery and the state comes in and takes the money to pay for their own failed economy and poor money management.  AS IF THE STATE DESERVES TO GET BACK ANY OF THE MONEY THEY BILK PEOPLE OUT OF.  Sad, sad people.  If the lottery provides anything, it's the hope, albeit mostly false but acceptable if played responsibly, of winning it big and having a better life.  Hopefully this law falls through.  What's next?  Are they gonna say if you have credit card debts in collections and win the lottery, then those agencies can take your money before you ever see it?


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                      Posted: October 23, 2010, 2:08 am - IP Logged

                      Hee- hee hee,

                      Some progressive republicans want to reform Welfare and who would be against that? It is a perfect bi-partisan concept that will have near universal support. We all have to tighten our belts due to whatever it is in the economy that requires it. Why shouldn’t welfare people tighten their belts too?- this is too funny!

                      The real reason this is being presented this way is to pave the way for a $600.00 limit on any income without a W-2 report. The welfare thing is only the tip of the spear, it just so happens they are a good target to schmooze this thing into a law. This is a federal plan friends from the business wise conservatives who will fix their mess with the help of the IRS.

                      Any private commerce between two parties will have to have a paper-trail reckoning….for ,…. FEDERAL TAXES! The ‘Pub’s are working with the IRS to lock down on any kind of commerce over $600.00. That means you can live your dream, it’s just that when you spend over $600.00, you have to make sure it gets reported as well as the other party(s). Piles of paperwork and $,$,$!

                      Now what is all this talk that the Dem’s are the tax and spend demons? This is from spend and tax conservatives.

                      This is the republican solution to get some clams in the coffer? They are not just going to keep welfare people down, they are going to drag us down to be with them. Who caused this mess we are in? The business-wise Conservatives? Their solution to a trillion-dollar debt (they allowed through neglect and deregulation) is to tax everyone MORE! And this new Tax regime will make jobs! Jobs! JOBS! Government jobs to make sure you are paying tax on anything you buy, sell, win or receive that is over $600.00!

                      Only the republicans could dream this stuff up. It is so Rovian. What a business plan!

                      I really don’t think they want to win any elections and this is a two-term Presidency, by design.

                      Take a jet engine, get it warmed up and then throttle it up and throw a wrench in the intake. That wrench is Sarah Palin and the engine is the republican party and the TEA party. Now these clowns from Michigan are doing this to make the people of the USA financially responsible in some new way to pay off the looming insane debt that no one wants to own. Their only solution is to tax us like we have never been taxed before, all in the guise of welfare reform. The tax fad  will sweep the nation like wildfire because the states are bankrupt.

                      It’s brilliant. The consolidation of wealth, the new taxing laws, the tighter control of citizen commerce so the people will pay the bailout; driving the middle class and upper-middle to the brink of extinction.

                      Too Funny! As of today 139 banks have failed this year. We are so bankrupt that we cannot admit it. Sharpen your awl, your belt will need some new holes when reality has your economic health running down your leg.

                      Talk about throwing an election! This whole thing is to get voter turnout and it will not favor the conservatives who are behind all this. Might as well have Rush Limbaugh tell everyone to vote for the other party like he told his listeners to vote for Hillary in 2008.

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                        Delta Draw, you apparently have no clue, because everything you said is backwards from reality.  To say that Conservatives want to "tax and spend" ... I'm not sure what rock you've been hiding under, but that is preposterous.  Your whole diatribe is filled with these backwards concepts that are disconnected from reality.

                         

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                            Posted: October 23, 2010, 1:34 pm - IP Logged

                            shwhite157! look here michigan if i am on welfare i need money in the frist place and if it is a big winner then give me my money and let me give back some of it to help others who are in need i think that if i am lucky to win a big prize then if the state helped me and my family i should put something back i think the way things are now if your are poor already any win would be a blessing look for money else where then keeping the poor poorer !! hell have you law makers ever thought if a person is playing lottery they want a chance to get off welfare if they get thier winnings and do dumb things with well lets say the great state of michigan can not keep helping dumb asses who know what it is to not have money get some and then mess it up

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                              im agree with some of the things you are saying be if you never take a chance then you can never move forward do not think that because you are poor you should not take a chance if you have a dollar to by cookies or candy something that we do not need why not try a quit pick