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Posted: November 2, 2010, 7:35 pm - IP Logged

I'm all for helping the poor, and some social programs go a long way toward providing needed food, housing and medical care for indigents. I agree the recipients shouldn't be betting on the lottery with money given to them by the counties. We had a problem here in California where food stamps were being redeemed at half price, with the beneficiaries selling them to unscrupulous con artists who sold them back to the state at the full price. Cash received by food stamp recipients was used to buy cigarettes, booze, drugs and also for gambling. I believe they've remedied this problem with debit cards issued for a specific person.  The state of Michigan is on the right track by restricting their welfare population to purchasing what they are paid to purchase.

    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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    I'm all for helping the poor, and some social programs go a long way toward providing needed food, housing and medical care for indigents. I agree the recipients shouldn't be betting on the lottery with money given to them by the counties. We had a problem here in California where food stamps were being redeemed at half price, with the beneficiaries selling them to unscrupulous con artists who sold them back to the state at the full price. Cash received by food stamp recipients was used to buy cigarettes, booze, drugs and also for gambling. I believe they've remedied this problem with debit cards issued for a specific person.  The state of Michigan is on the right track by restricting their welfare population to purchasing what they are paid to purchase.

    "I'm all for helping the poor..."             

     "... social programs go a long way toward providing needed food, housing and medical care for indigents."

     

     

    Then give them your jackpot when you win and donate more to charity and kick in more for taxes.

    Stop expecting everybody else to pay for your ideas of what would be "fair." 


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

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      DC81's avatar - batman39
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      Posted: November 4, 2010, 3:57 pm - IP Logged

      I know that was said tongue-in-cheek tc, but I'm truly no apologist for Republicans.

      Congress is rife with corruption and lying, self-serving weasels on both sides of the aisle but the democrats have taken the practice to an art form.

      But since the last election it has gone from corruption to sedition bordering on treason in my opinion on the left side of the aisle and in the White House.

      Have you ever checked out any of the people Obama has surrounded himself with? His closest advisors and all the Czars he appointed? Do you think it's just a coincidence that they're all far left-wing radicals and avowed communists?

      Most Republicans in Congress I wouldn't trust in the sh*thouse with a muzzle on but Obama and the democrats are actually trying to destroy this country. That's why they get top billing in my rants.

      Intelligent people are starting to see what's really going on and that's why you're going to see a virtual, political bloodbath today all across this nation.

      The dopes are saying "give him a chance" but the smart people know that what he wants is a chance to destroy what he considers this evil country of America. He hates  this country and everything it is and everything it stands for. He thinks we are an evil nation. That's why he went around the world bowing and apologizing to tyrants and dictators. He apologized to the Emperor of Japan for bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki!  Did he forget about a little something called Pearl Harbor? Do you want this idiot representing you?

      Today is the first step to ridding ourselves of this evil cancer.

      It's going to be a great day for America.

      Thank God.

      I wish the LP boards would allow us to cut out everything except the parts we want to quote...

      Anyway, yeah people are forgetting (the failure of history classes and the spin being put on the history doesn't help) but even worse  is just how many people don't really know or understand what Japan's role in WWII was outside of bombing Pearl Harbor. They see the Japan of today through some of those wonderful rose colored glasses and big eyed cartoon characters, unable to comprehend that in a number of ways Japan and its military at the time was worse than Nazi Germany. While we trot out Germany's skeletons freely since it and that one guy were the poster child of WWII, Japan's role has been largely swept under the rug.

      You can't predict random.

        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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        Posted: November 6, 2010, 3:47 pm - IP Logged

        I read your post before you deleted it twinkie.

        That wasn't very nice.   No No

        But I forgive you!   

        You're still my little twinkletoes!   ------------------>   Hippy


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

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          Posted: November 6, 2010, 4:40 pm - IP Logged

          Well, Michigan citizens may as well go and live in Communist China because living there would be less intrusive! What a <snip> nerve. I think it's an absolute fallacy and fabrication that the poor are buying lots of tickets. They may have one or two dollars to spare and if they buy a million dollar winner (or whatever) then they are entitled to the win wherever the money came from and it's nobody's <snip> business how they came get that win. Grrrr... Are the poor to be denied any pleasure because they may have had the misfortune to lose their job? Jobs which paid their taxes for years. Sheeesh!No NoNo No

           

          I ask, are the poor walking the street naked? Are they starving to death on the streets? NO! Know why? They buy their necessities and they if they have a couple of bucks left they buy a ticket. Absolutely disgusting proposal, and I hope it doesn't pass.

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          "Depend on the rabbit's foot if you will, but remember it didn't work for the rabbit." - R. E. Shay.

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            Well, Michigan citizens may as well go and live in Communist China because living there would be less intrusive! What a <snip> nerve. I think it's an absolute fallacy and fabrication that the poor are buying lots of tickets. They may have one or two dollars to spare and if they buy a million dollar winner (or whatever) then they are entitled to the win wherever the money came from and it's nobody's <snip> business how they came get that win. Grrrr... Are the poor to be denied any pleasure because they may have had the misfortune to lose their job? Jobs which paid their taxes for years. Sheeesh!No NoNo No

             

            I ask, are the poor walking the street naked? Are they starving to death on the streets? NO! Know why? They buy their necessities and they if they have a couple of bucks left they buy a ticket. Absolutely disgusting proposal, and I hope it doesn't pass.

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            "NO! Know why? They buy their necessities and they if they have a couple of bucks left they buy a ticket."

            You are living in a fantasy world.  Money management is way beyond most people and especially the poor, unemployed welfare idiots.  That is the major subset of welfare recipients.  The idiot portion seems to account for approx 80% of those receiving welfare.

            They will visit several food centers to get all the free food that can fit into the back of a pickup truck.  (Frees up a lot of lottery money that way).

            They will turn their furnace up in winter and leave the front door wide open - because they get heat bills paid by the State.

            Many women will illegally add to their welfare amount by hooking and/or selling drugs.

            I've yet to stand in line and hear welfare people call out a couple of numbers.

            Here's the thing, the State decided long ago to let the welfare people manage their own money, instead of dictating exactly which dollar is to be used for rent, heating, electric, etc;  So, if they would simply put into effect mandatory management for the welfare amounts, THEN they can dictate no spending for lottery tickets.  If they leave management up to the recipient, then they can buy whatever they want, including lottery tickets. 

            Just stop them by law from coming back and crying that they ran out of money!

              rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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              Posted: November 6, 2010, 11:14 pm - IP Logged

              "NO! Know why? They buy their necessities and they if they have a couple of bucks left they buy a ticket."

              You are living in a fantasy world.  Money management is way beyond most people and especially the poor, unemployed welfare idiots.  That is the major subset of welfare recipients.  The idiot portion seems to account for approx 80% of those receiving welfare.

              They will visit several food centers to get all the free food that can fit into the back of a pickup truck.  (Frees up a lot of lottery money that way).

              They will turn their furnace up in winter and leave the front door wide open - because they get heat bills paid by the State.

              Many women will illegally add to their welfare amount by hooking and/or selling drugs.

              I've yet to stand in line and hear welfare people call out a couple of numbers.

              Here's the thing, the State decided long ago to let the welfare people manage their own money, instead of dictating exactly which dollar is to be used for rent, heating, electric, etc;  So, if they would simply put into effect mandatory management for the welfare amounts, THEN they can dictate no spending for lottery tickets.  If they leave management up to the recipient, then they can buy whatever they want, including lottery tickets. 

              Just stop them by law from coming back and crying that they ran out of money!

              Absolutely!   Thumbs Up


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                yeah big gov out of our lives, but  you can gocontrol those poor saps lives all you want.

                just wait till the Big Gov tells ytour to invest your 401ks, and that will US treasury bills, bcuz no other saps will be stupid enough to buy em

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                  rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                  yeah big gov out of our lives, but  you can gocontrol those poor saps lives all you want.

                  just wait till the Big Gov tells ytour to invest your 401ks, and that will US treasury bills, bcuz no other saps will be stupid enough to buy em

                  America will be back once we get rid of the rest of the communists in 2012.

                  In the meantime, go chase a kangaroo or something.


                                                               
                                       
                                                           

                   

                   

                   

                   

                                                                                                                     

                  "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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                    Posted: November 7, 2010, 3:18 pm - IP Logged

                    New York has such a law

                     

                    Section 131-r of the New York Social Services Law provides that any recipient of state public-assistance funds who wins a lottery prize of $600 or more must “reimburse the [state department of social services] from the winnings,” up to half of the prize amount:

                     

                    and one person took it ot court.

                     

                     

                    http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1539129.html?DCMP=NWL-pro_2nd

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                      Posted: November 13, 2010, 4:48 pm - IP Logged

                      I am totally against a law that would prohibit people on assistance getting money they won.  Any reform should be done by ensuring that the people on these programs are reporting income via viewing their income tax files.  We All should file taxes each year and that would be the basis for any challenge that arises in the future.  At least as long as we still have income taxes.  Either adoption of the Fair tax or a flat tax and lieing on form would be liable to federal penalties as it is now. Or also deletion on taxing only income, allowing tax exclusions for those with good estate tax accountants, and estate planning attorynies and financial anaylys!\\

                       

                      Revise the system if needed.

                       

                      Politicians good and bad, maybe we can cut down on roads built to nowhere. (smile)

                        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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                        I am totally against a law that would prohibit people on assistance getting money they won.  Any reform should be done by ensuring that the people on these programs are reporting income via viewing their income tax files.  We All should file taxes each year and that would be the basis for any challenge that arises in the future.  At least as long as we still have income taxes.  Either adoption of the Fair tax or a flat tax and lieing on form would be liable to federal penalties as it is now. Or also deletion on taxing only income, allowing tax exclusions for those with good estate tax accountants, and estate planning attorynies and financial anaylys!\\

                         

                        Revise the system if needed.

                         

                        Politicians good and bad, maybe we can cut down on roads built to nowhere. (smile)

                        "maybe we can cut down on roads built to nowhere."

                         

                        I agree with you 100%!

                        We paid to have a very long road built to nowhere in Nevada already.

                        Turns out it wasn't actually to nowhere after it was finished though.

                        Turns out Harry Reid has property at the end of that road.

                        What a coincidence. 


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

                        "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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