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$2M Michigan lottery winner defends use of food stamps

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Posted: May 18, 2011, 10:58 am - IP Logged

I work in a grocery store that specializes in food service, schools , hospitals restaurants , bars, business in general. we are open to the public, no membership fees at all.

The other day I witnessed an illegal transaction,a woman and her sister shopping, the one sister paid for everything in Food stamps and her sister forked over some cash, thats a no no. the bill was almost $600.00 dollars, I looked at her receipt and what I saw floored me, I made copies of that receipt, she still has a balance of $4300.00 in food and a cash balance of $20.00,

I proceed to call the state attorney generals office, how in the <snip> does someone get almost $5000.00 in food. They referred me to the department of human resources after years of dealing with this agency , I knew it was a lost cause, so I did some research and found out Michigan now has a special unit, called the Public Integrity unit, they couldn't help me, they directed me to Criminal justice in Detroit, they couldn't help me they directed me to the department of human resources.

I will find someone to look in to this, what I have personally witnessed over the years would turn your stomach,

The newest scam involving food stamps, are people using food stamps to run catering business, illegal businesses. They are not licensed or insured, they are using tax payer money to rake it in.

Hot dog stands, door to door candy sales, they put their kids in front of shops and businesses to sell candy or they just send them to school to sell the candy.

I had a kid come to my door in his designer shoes and coat, told me he was a boy scout, he was selling butterfingers, I asked him is pack number, he had no clue what I was talking about, I asked him if he was a wolf or a bear, still no clue, I have a boy scout, we sell popcorn, not candy.

I had a woman come through my line a couple weeks ago, said her arm hurt from lifting her baby carrier in the shopping cart, cause she just got a new unicorn tattoo, she was throwing a birthday party for her boyfriend, part of her purchase was 5 gallons of margarita mix, her bill was over $300.00 , she paid in food stamps. Her loser boyfriend was in line behind her to get the rest of the stuff, he also paid in food stamps, when it came time to pay for the non food items he peeled of a hundred dollar bill from a nice size roll.

I had a man come through and he bought 7 cases of red bull, at $35.00 plus $2.40 in deposit, thats $245.00 plus another $16.80 in deposit that the tax payers shelled out for.

I had a Detroit police officer come through and wanted his 5% dicount, even showed me his shield, He had $80.00 in purchases in food stamps, I wouldn't let him have the discount, his card wouldn't swipe, the name on the card said Betty, so he was trying to get a discount for a relative.

I had another woman come through, shes a dealer at a casino, she was complaining that she wasn't getting very good tips, only $400.00 last night, she said, paid for her $608.00 dollar purchase with food stamps.

I have people coming through that collect from several states, They come through at the beginning with Michigan stamps then later they come back with stamps from another state.

I have people coming through that can't even speak english, they bring lists with them, 32 2 liters of coke, 32 2 liters of pepsi, combos, candy bars ( mind you we sell candy by the box -35 count, , they were clearly buying for a relative who owns a gas station or party store.

The list goes on and on, what I see is theft and greed at epic levels.

The attitude of some of these people would shock you, they have no sense of gratitude, they leave messes in their wake all over the store, no respect for themselves or others,

I am saddened , I am now looking for a new job, because I can't bear to go through this month after month, I am losing faith in humanity, and am becoming indifferent to others and thats not who I want to be.

 

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I've noticed many people buying bulk items just in grocery stores like soft drinks, candy, chips, etc. using EBT cards but nothing even close to what you witnessed! If Congress and State Legislators are serious about cutting spending as they claim to be, this should be fully investigated; I won't hold my breath.

You got the bureaucrat run-around because the people you spoke with are part of the problem. They know people are getting $5000 in food stamps and they know $2 million lottery winners are still getting them too but won't do anything about it. When a Detroit police officer is part of the problem, who can you call?

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    A lot of us are looking at it the wrong way and i agree with everyones arguement, its the government to blame not him..some countries winnings are not taxed. and im sure out of his 2million he paid over $500,000 in taxes so he will never get that much of foodstamps for the remainder of his life..No point of complaining here, contact your state representative!!!!

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      "[H]e informed the state, and the state said he could keep using the card. The problem is with the state."

      Why all the kvetching? Looks like he's not breaking any laws [and we know how important what de law say is to some people]

      Unless the money is federal-tax-free, he will be paying far more in taxes than he will be getting in "food stamps".

      Sounds like people are bad at math ... or MYOB. There are far worse things tax money is being "wasted" on -- in far larger amounts.

      No food stamp program = no food stamp fraud. If the governor of a state declines federal money, the state can run the program (or get rid of it) as they see fit. But anyone running on a platform threatening .. er .. promising to cut "spending" and then *gasp* actually naming what they would cut is immediately demonized as hating the (insert group here), and can be assured of not being elected.

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        "[H]e informed the state, and the state said he could keep using the card. The problem is with the state."

        Why all the kvetching? Looks like he's not breaking any laws [and we know how important what de law say is to some people]

        Unless the money is federal-tax-free, he will be paying far more in taxes than he will be getting in "food stamps".

        Sounds like people are bad at math ... or MYOB. There are far worse things tax money is being "wasted" on -- in far larger amounts.

        No food stamp program = no food stamp fraud. If the governor of a state declines federal money, the state can run the program (or get rid of it) as they see fit. But anyone running on a platform threatening .. er .. promising to cut "spending" and then *gasp* actually naming what they would cut is immediately demonized as hating the (insert group here), and can be assured of not being elected.

        I Agree!

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          Posted: May 18, 2011, 11:42 am - IP Logged

          So, the article states that Lottery winnings are considered liquid assets & don't count as income.....but the 1st thing they do before you see a dime is take a 3rd of it in TAX  as if it IS income????

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            Since nothing this guy is doing is illegal what difference does it make how much he has in the bank? AIG, took federal money plus insurance money after 9-11 for damages, in fact several companies double dipped even if there offices weren't damaged they still claimed federal monies that they were entitled too.  ConAgra takes government checks every year to not grow corn or to grow corn, etc, Corporate welfare is alive and well and we are talking about companies that make upwards of 500 million a year that take government handouts.

             

            Rich people don't waste money or ignore potential loopholes or they would poor like the complainers who are commenting.

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              Posted: May 18, 2011, 12:47 pm - IP Logged

              Michigan again??   I hope that a LP winner wins in Michigan sometime so they can show how a lottery winner is supposed to act!  Hurray!

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                I live in Pennsylvania. I lost my last full time job in 2001. Our combined INCOME has always been too high for food stamps. Believe me, it is pretty low considering the cost of living!

                Something is very wrong in Michigan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                  Since nothing this guy is doing is illegal what difference does it make how much he has in the bank? AIG, took federal money plus insurance money after 9-11 for damages, in fact several companies double dipped even if there offices weren't damaged they still claimed federal monies that they were entitled too.  ConAgra takes government checks every year to not grow corn or to grow corn, etc, Corporate welfare is alive and well and we are talking about companies that make upwards of 500 million a year that take government handouts.

                   

                  Rich people don't waste money or ignore potential loopholes or they would poor like the complainers who are commenting.

                  A little off subject isn't this???????????

                  But at least corporations employ people!

                  FDR started the "paying people to not grow corn" ................ not new behavior!!!!!!!!!!

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                    The way I see it is the guy paid taxes on what was left after the Gov took its share and, what the hell, he's only going to spend the food stamps locally so it's helping his local economy. It's not that he's taking it away from anyone else and not salting it away so nobody benefits.

                    Come on people you're going to ruin this world more with all this "Politically Correct" garbage going on. Get a life and don't judge how people live. I think people are just pissed off that they haven't won big and need to vent their feelings and need a scape goat to do that.

                    Personally, I don't blame the guy. Now if he won a few million that would be a different story.

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                      Its an interesting story. I wonder how many people out there have over a million dollars in real estate(not liquid)but are using food stamps. I wouldn't doubt it if this guy is being used by the state/feds to close said loop holes. There is always more to a story. Imagine the death threats this guy is going to get.

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                        This guy Leroy is a perfect example of the entitlement mentality so ingrained in society by liberal government. He's a welfare hog, system manipulator and common, despicable cheat. The liberal government, naturally, will say (as they are) that it's perfectly legal and he has every right to do what he's doing and that's the way the system is set up. It doesn't matter that we're broke and on the verge of bankruptcy, poor Mr Fick is entitled to free food even though he's now a millionaire. So it's a Catch 22 and "oh well" we'll just have to live with it.

                        No, uh-uh. It's waaay past time for a wake-up call to liberal legislators that this sh*t has done got outta hand.

                        We're running out of people to tax enough to feed all these lazy bums, malcontents, ne'er-do-wells and parasites who think they're entitled to feed at the public trough for their entire lives.

                        Welfare, food stamps and other social service assistance programs were designed to be an emergency safety net, not a lifetime hammock.

                        You can see the lack of concern from government sully is running into. That's because the whole system is corrupt. Why? Because those entrenched in power have the votes of everybody they put on the gravy train keeping them and their destructive policies in power and not enough decent people with common sense have woken up to the realities and stood up for what is right.

                        And if that doesn't happen, and soon, this whole country could end up like Detroit.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          This guy Leroy is a perfect example of the entitlement mentality so ingrained in society by liberal government. He's a welfare hog, system manipulator and common, despicable cheat. The liberal government, naturally, will say (as they are) that it's perfectly legal and he has every right to do what he's doing and that's the way the system is set up. It doesn't matter that we're broke and on the verge of bankruptcy, poor Mr Fick is entitled to free food even though he's now a millionaire. So it's a Catch 22 and "oh well" we'll just have to live with it.

                          No, uh-uh. It's waaay past time for a wake-up call to liberal legislators that this sh*t has done got outta hand.

                          We're running out of people to tax enough to feed all these lazy bums, malcontents, ne'er-do-wells and parasites who think they're entitled to feed at the public trough for their entire lives.

                          Welfare, food stamps and other social service assistance programs were designed to be an emergency safety net, not a lifetime hammock.

                          You can see the lack of concern from government sully is running into. That's because the whole system is corrupt. Why? Because those entrenched in power have the votes of everybody they put on the gravy train keeping them and their destructive policies in power and not enough decent people with common sense have woken up to the realities and stood up for what is right.

                          And if that doesn't happen, and soon, this whole country could end up like Detroit.

                          I actually had a co-worker explain to me why he hates Senator Rand Paul, after I asked because Rand has put forth solutions for pretty much every problem.  Budgets that cut 200 billion this year, 500 billion this year (without touching enitilements that libbies love so much), legislation to stop the government from shutting down, legislation to bring us into surplus, etc.

                           

                          He basically said that he doesn't like him because his solutions won't pass.  So basically, "I don't like the guy putting forth solutions, because Democrats vote against solutions, so I support the Democrats" - complete circular logic.

                           

                          It's perplexing how deep people get into Republican vs. Democrat.  They don't care if they know that someone who's "on the right" has a perfect plan, they'll simply dismiss it because it originiated in the right, and has to do with budgets.

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                            I work in a grocery store that specializes in food service, schools , hospitals restaurants , bars, business in general. we are open to the public, no membership fees at all.

                            The other day I witnessed an illegal transaction,a woman and her sister shopping, the one sister paid for everything in Food stamps and her sister forked over some cash, thats a no no. the bill was almost $600.00 dollars, I looked at her receipt and what I saw floored me, I made copies of that receipt, she still has a balance of $4300.00 in food and a cash balance of $20.00,

                            I proceed to call the state attorney generals office, how in the <snip> does someone get almost $5000.00 in food. They referred me to the department of human resources after years of dealing with this agency , I knew it was a lost cause, so I did some research and found out Michigan now has a special unit, called the Public Integrity unit, they couldn't help me, they directed me to Criminal justice in Detroit, they couldn't help me they directed me to the department of human resources.

                            I will find someone to look in to this, what I have personally witnessed over the years would turn your stomach,

                            The newest scam involving food stamps, are people using food stamps to run catering business, illegal businesses. They are not licensed or insured, they are using tax payer money to rake it in.

                            Hot dog stands, door to door candy sales, they put their kids in front of shops and businesses to sell candy or they just send them to school to sell the candy.

                            I had a kid come to my door in his designer shoes and coat, told me he was a boy scout, he was selling butterfingers, I asked him is pack number, he had no clue what I was talking about, I asked him if he was a wolf or a bear, still no clue, I have a boy scout, we sell popcorn, not candy.

                            I had a woman come through my line a couple weeks ago, said her arm hurt from lifting her baby carrier in the shopping cart, cause she just got a new unicorn tattoo, she was throwing a birthday party for her boyfriend, part of her purchase was 5 gallons of margarita mix, her bill was over $300.00 , she paid in food stamps. Her loser boyfriend was in line behind her to get the rest of the stuff, he also paid in food stamps, when it came time to pay for the non food items he peeled of a hundred dollar bill from a nice size roll.

                            I had a man come through and he bought 7 cases of red bull, at $35.00 plus $2.40 in deposit, thats $245.00 plus another $16.80 in deposit that the tax payers shelled out for.

                            I had a Detroit police officer come through and wanted his 5% dicount, even showed me his shield, He had $80.00 in purchases in food stamps, I wouldn't let him have the discount, his card wouldn't swipe, the name on the card said Betty, so he was trying to get a discount for a relative.

                            I had another woman come through, shes a dealer at a casino, she was complaining that she wasn't getting very good tips, only $400.00 last night, she said, paid for her $608.00 dollar purchase with food stamps.

                            I have people coming through that collect from several states, They come through at the beginning with Michigan stamps then later they come back with stamps from another state.

                            I have people coming through that can't even speak english, they bring lists with them, 32 2 liters of coke, 32 2 liters of pepsi, combos, candy bars ( mind you we sell candy by the box -35 count, , they were clearly buying for a relative who owns a gas station or party store.

                            The list goes on and on, what I see is theft and greed at epic levels.

                            The attitude of some of these people would shock you, they have no sense of gratitude, they leave messes in their wake all over the store, no respect for themselves or others,

                            I am saddened , I am now looking for a new job, because I can't bear to go through this month after month, I am losing faith in humanity, and am becoming indifferent to others and thats not who I want to be.

                             

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                            Sully, keep you faith in God. There's still is a few good men & women in the world. I know it seems hard when you have people that are trying to do right; but it appears that those that do wrong profit. I pray God will bless you with a new job.

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                              I work in a grocery store that specializes in food service, schools , hospitals restaurants , bars, business in general. we are open to the public, no membership fees at all.

                              The other day I witnessed an illegal transaction,a woman and her sister shopping, the one sister paid for everything in Food stamps and her sister forked over some cash, thats a no no. the bill was almost $600.00 dollars, I looked at her receipt and what I saw floored me, I made copies of that receipt, she still has a balance of $4300.00 in food and a cash balance of $20.00,

                              I proceed to call the state attorney generals office, how in the <snip> does someone get almost $5000.00 in food. They referred me to the department of human resources after years of dealing with this agency , I knew it was a lost cause, so I did some research and found out Michigan now has a special unit, called the Public Integrity unit, they couldn't help me, they directed me to Criminal justice in Detroit, they couldn't help me they directed me to the department of human resources.

                              I will find someone to look in to this, what I have personally witnessed over the years would turn your stomach,

                              The newest scam involving food stamps, are people using food stamps to run catering business, illegal businesses. They are not licensed or insured, they are using tax payer money to rake it in.

                              Hot dog stands, door to door candy sales, they put their kids in front of shops and businesses to sell candy or they just send them to school to sell the candy.

                              I had a kid come to my door in his designer shoes and coat, told me he was a boy scout, he was selling butterfingers, I asked him is pack number, he had no clue what I was talking about, I asked him if he was a wolf or a bear, still no clue, I have a boy scout, we sell popcorn, not candy.

                              I had a woman come through my line a couple weeks ago, said her arm hurt from lifting her baby carrier in the shopping cart, cause she just got a new unicorn tattoo, she was throwing a birthday party for her boyfriend, part of her purchase was 5 gallons of margarita mix, her bill was over $300.00 , she paid in food stamps. Her loser boyfriend was in line behind her to get the rest of the stuff, he also paid in food stamps, when it came time to pay for the non food items he peeled of a hundred dollar bill from a nice size roll.

                              I had a man come through and he bought 7 cases of red bull, at $35.00 plus $2.40 in deposit, thats $245.00 plus another $16.80 in deposit that the tax payers shelled out for.

                              I had a Detroit police officer come through and wanted his 5% dicount, even showed me his shield, He had $80.00 in purchases in food stamps, I wouldn't let him have the discount, his card wouldn't swipe, the name on the card said Betty, so he was trying to get a discount for a relative.

                              I had another woman come through, shes a dealer at a casino, she was complaining that she wasn't getting very good tips, only $400.00 last night, she said, paid for her $608.00 dollar purchase with food stamps.

                              I have people coming through that collect from several states, They come through at the beginning with Michigan stamps then later they come back with stamps from another state.

                              I have people coming through that can't even speak english, they bring lists with them, 32 2 liters of coke, 32 2 liters of pepsi, combos, candy bars ( mind you we sell candy by the box -35 count, , they were clearly buying for a relative who owns a gas station or party store.

                              The list goes on and on, what I see is theft and greed at epic levels.

                              The attitude of some of these people would shock you, they have no sense of gratitude, they leave messes in their wake all over the store, no respect for themselves or others,

                              I am saddened , I am now looking for a new job, because I can't bear to go through this month after month, I am losing faith in humanity, and am becoming indifferent to others and thats not who I want to be.

                               

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                              Send a copy of this email to your state representatives and then send it to CNN, ABC, CBS,  well you get the point.

                              If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

                              You never know when you will get another hit.