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$2M Michigan lottery winner defends use of food stamps

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Posted: May 19, 2011, 10:31 am - IP Logged

He's only doing what most big businesses do, in fact what they pay lawyers and accountants big money for - to use every loophole and letter of the law and any way to game the system to save or make a buck. Good for him.

I Agree!

    JAP69's avatar - alas
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    Posted: May 19, 2011, 10:36 am - IP Logged

    The newly elected governor in Mich got protested, chewed up and spit out for working on bringing financial reform to the state. It's up to the people of the state to support financial responsibility.
    Things are not going to change until the people support change.

    WHATT


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      Posted: May 19, 2011, 10:37 am - IP Logged

      I've never played Bridge before and I don't understand why they'd take your Bridge Cards.

      Do they take Pinochle Cards away from people too? I don't play that either.

      I do play Poker once in a while though.

      I now see how you have accumulated nearly 5,000 posts in 2 years. Very insightful.

        rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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        Posted: May 19, 2011, 10:48 am - IP Logged

        I now see how you have accumulated nearly 5,000 posts in 2 years. Very insightful.

        Hey little mario,

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        All your need and necessity for whining and obsessing over me will then be allayed.

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          HaveABall's avatar - rocket

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          Posted: May 19, 2011, 11:39 am - IP Logged

          Apparently, Leroy Fick netted approximately $1.2 million dollars after taxes subtracted.  Leroy  probably deduced that if he lived until 100 years old (which we each could do), that smaller amount received from the lottery would allow him to spend $28,857 annually (unfortunately, the amount was too small for one to simply live off of the safely invested fund's interest earned from the principal amount).  That isn't a lot of money to a 58 year old head of household person, let alone a solo person to thrive on.

          Consequently, it is possible that Leroy decided to keep using the card, after contacting the State of Michigan DoHS Department and being instructed that he was still eligible to [he's possibly only charging apx. $360/month on the card], so that he wouldn't have to work a job (maybe he isn't able, and the tv news forgot/failed to mention that key point), and instead could have extra monies saved to go towards annual: dental, vacation, prescription medications, medical expenses, etc.  Thus, it is possible that Leroy was, fortunately, able to rationally, quickly use his calculator and brain before releasing his bridge card.

          Drum

          Having several millions of dollars in my financial accounts means receiving several valuable services each day!

          Disney

            HaveABall's avatar - rocket

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            Posted: May 19, 2011, 11:59 am - IP Logged

            LOL rdgrnr!

            Having several millions of dollars in my financial accounts means receiving several valuable services each day!

            Disney

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              Posted: May 19, 2011, 12:01 pm - IP Logged

              He should turn his card in and remove himself from the program. If and when he falls on hard times again,

              he can reapply..that would be the right thing to do. This story and this man's actions do relate to what is

              wrong with government. It was said they can't do a thing about it...well, maybe they don't want to do any

              thing about it. Why should they? Where do you think the me mentality came from? Why do you think some

              people just hold their hands out and take whatever they are given or think they are*entitled* to? Because

              they have the biggest example of system use and abuse by the agencies they are using and abusing.

               

              Reports of mutimillion dollar salaries and billion dollar profits by big business only adds to the determination

              of some people to get theirs, no matter where or who it comes from. There are no values, no virtue, no

              morals and no guilt associated with accepting handouts - (that's what they are called when people who do

              not need them, take them) - when they are viewed as something someone deserves rather than needs.

               

              A $2M win would make most people want to break free of reliance on programs and aid, not this bottom

              feeder/skimmer/slouch. Somewhere along the way he must have felt burned, jilted or let down in life

              in general and has adopted the idea someone owes him something and he's going to take it. 'What's

              yours is mine and what's mine is my own' comes to mind. I'm not going to say: How can you blame him?

              He is to blame...but he learned that even if you have enough, it's never enough especially when a money

              making monster government says it isn't. One of the reasons they throw crumbs to programs and don't

              close loopholes is to make the bitter pill they pass off on everyone else easier to swallow. If they had a

              backbone and stood up instead of slithered around like a snake, we wouldn't be reading a story like this

              right now because Mr System Siphon would have been stripped of his Bridge card shortly after he claimed

              his winnings. Instead he just becomes another example of how some rich get richer in America...a small

              example but nonetheless an example.

              I think that Mr SS will be needing the card very soon anyway. He seems to be making no excuses for

              getting free food while having paid in cash (??) for his new convertible. I also noticed his crisp, white,

              new lounge clothes and what looks like a new house or at least some things that can now be completed.

              Somehow, the excuse of: Well, they said I could still use it just doesn't quite cut it.

                HaveABall's avatar - rocket

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                Posted: May 19, 2011, 12:34 pm - IP Logged

                He should turn his card in and remove himself from the program. If and when he falls on hard times again,

                he can reapply..that would be the right thing to do. This story and this man's actions do relate to what is

                wrong with government. It was said they can't do a thing about it...well, maybe they don't want to do any

                thing about it. Why should they? Where do you think the me mentality came from? Why do you think some

                people just hold their hands out and take whatever they are given or think they are*entitled* to? Because

                they have the biggest example of system use and abuse by the agencies they are using and abusing.

                 

                Reports of mutimillion dollar salaries and billion dollar profits by big business only adds to the determination

                of some people to get theirs, no matter where or who it comes from. There are no values, no virtue, no

                morals and no guilt associated with accepting handouts - (that's what they are called when people who do

                not need them, take them) - when they are viewed as something someone deserves rather than needs.

                 

                A $2M win would make most people want to break free of reliance on programs and aid, not this bottom

                feeder/skimmer/slouch. Somewhere along the way he must have felt burned, jilted or let down in life

                in general and has adopted the idea someone owes him something and he's going to take it. 'What's

                yours is mine and what's mine is my own' comes to mind. I'm not going to say: How can you blame him?

                He is to blame...but he learned that even if you have enough, it's never enough especially when a money

                making monster government says it isn't. One of the reasons they throw crumbs to programs and don't

                close loopholes is to make the bitter pill they pass off on everyone else easier to swallow. If they had a

                backbone and stood up instead of slithered around like a snake, we wouldn't be reading a story like this

                right now because Mr System Siphon would have been stripped of his Bridge card shortly after he claimed

                his winnings. Instead he just becomes another example of how some rich get richer in America...a small

                example but nonetheless an example.

                I think that Mr SS will be needing the card very soon anyway. He seems to be making no excuses for

                getting free food while having paid in cash (??) for his new convertible. I also noticed his crisp, white,

                new lounge clothes and what looks like a new house or at least some things that can now be completed.

                Somehow, the excuse of: Well, they said I could still use it just doesn't quite cut it.

                Good points, dr65, thank you.  Therefore, I have decided to reverse my thoughts to agree.  After all, even if someone is only allotted $5000 a year for a bridge card or whatever aid ... $5000 multiplied by hundreds of people in a state who didn't actually NEED those monies adds up to millions of debt in a state annually; let alone huge debt/bankruptcy over a decade. 

                It makes sense, once someone receives $2+ million dollars GROSS in lottery winnings, that a bridge card and/or any other county, state, and federal aids and services (except, of course, receiving social security payments if they are a senior citizen), should also be ceased once the lottery headquarters notifies the person's county, state, and federal governments of the win.

                Having several millions of dollars in my financial accounts means receiving several valuable services each day!

                Disney

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                  Posted: May 19, 2011, 12:34 pm - IP Logged

                  So ........... when I win the Powerball ...............should I give up my Social Security Disability benefits ?

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                    Posted: May 19, 2011, 12:53 pm - IP Logged

                    So ........... when I win the Powerball ...............should I give up my Social Security Disability benefits ?

                    Sun Smiley

                    Once one wins millions of dollars net via a lottery prize, I would hope that they would contact their county, state, or federal office to stop receiving DIASABILITY AID payments ... even if they are elegable to continue receiving.

                    In regards to SOCIAL SECURITY payments.  I think the net multi-million dollar lottery winning person should be allowed to cease them.  Since winner, by now, has realized that the U.S.A. country's  current youngest workers that are paying towards this will not be receiving even ONE PENNY of these monies deducted from their checks once they are the same 62-70 years of age (PLUS, these kind young adults don't even get to deduct it as a "charity" donation annually, and no collecting senior citizen is taking the time to thank them every day).  However, because the now senior citizen recipient ALREADY PAID several thousands of dollars into the fund during their decades of earlier employment paycheck deductions, I don't think the now senior citizen should cease the payments UNTIL they've paid themselves back with 3.5% APY interest compounded over years they were paying into the fund.  Never be hasty though, wait at least 18 months before taking any action towards ceasing receival of Social Security payments.

                    Having several millions of dollars in my financial accounts means receiving several valuable services each day!

                    Disney

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                      Posted: May 19, 2011, 1:37 pm - IP Logged

                      The guy probably gets no more than $200 per month in food assistance. I don't hear anyone complaining about the $18 billion in oil subsidies the taxpayers give to the 5 US big oil companies. They made $1 trillion over the last ten years and the American taxpayer is giving them money. That money is not going for R&D of new oil but is instead going straight into the pockets of big investors.

                      The guy is wrong to keep getting assistance, but he isn't breaking any laws, which is what Wall St always says about it's dealings. 

                      Get mad at the right people. The little guys like this one can't hurt you. $200 a month is not a big deal but $18 billion per year to people who are already rolling in money isn't sensible.

                      You'll here me complaining about both.

                       

                      It's not the government's job to give anyone - or any group - money.  The only way the government should intervene in the economy is trust busting.

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                        You sooo right tg636,I was going say the same thing but hadn't gotten through the thread. Iwill go back to Ross Perot that how him and his family living high on the hog with taxpayer money , where is the outrage where is it! Even Donald Trump and all his govt's help.Ask about Michigan what about Blackwater with Prince and all the taxpayers money paid over the top payment to him with no bidNo No defense contract. We concern with food stamps please!

                        Sorry louise not buying your argument!   The people you mention do get tax breaks from the Gov't.  However UNLIKE the lotto millioniare using food stamps, Ross Perot, Donald Trump, and Blackwater CREATE JOBS!  Unlike the lotto mooch who create's nothing.   Also did you know that Entitlements take up more money than the defense budget?   The 10% of Earners in this country pay for 60% of taxes!  The bottom 20-30% pay NOTHING or get refunds from the gov't because of special tax credits.  When these entitlements reach more than 1/2 the population then we are in trouble.  Why should a small percentage of the population have to pay for people who pay no taxes and can vote for people who will give them more benefits?   But try and reform the system and people like you will scream bloody murder that gov't is trying to starve the poor and elderly!   That's the campaign for Democrats for the last 25 years, Republicans are going to cut Social Security and Medicare and the Elderly are going to be eating dog food.   So sick of hearing these lies  Puke

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                          Good for him..They took half his money , maybe he can get alittle of it back thru the food stamp program.. PartyPeople want to condemn the little man and the government can use your money for all kinds of things that make no sense...  Get over it people.!!!Smile

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                            Good for him..They took half his money , maybe he can get alittle of it back thru the food stamp program.. PartyPeople want to condemn the little man and the government can use your money for all kinds of things that make no sense...  Get over it people.!!!Smile

                            Sure, they took half his money. Why? Because we're feeding people who won't or don't work, supporting people who won't or don't work, paying for this paying for that, subsidizing corporations, giving foreign aid to other countries, etc etc etc and so on. He's part of that cycle.

                            Perhaps if our government wasn't in the hand-out business, they wouldn't have to take half his money in the first place (and ours). It's people and companies like that who have that 'they took it from me so I'll take it from them' attitude that have helped whore this country into this disgusting near bankrupt situation we're in right now.

                            It all means that the rest of who who DIDN'T win the lottery have the tax burden of paying for these losers...we'll get over it when we don't have to pay for him and everyone else anymore.

                            Give someone a fish and feed them for a day. Teach them to use the internet and they won't bother you for weeks. 

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                              The newest trend here, college kids getting food stamps, an even bigger trend is how to get your kids put on Section 8 when they turn 18. You quite simply change your address, claim your paying rent and enroll in at least one class and ta da, the tax-payers foot the bill.

                              Wrong. They took the food stamp (bridge card) option away from the college kids. I know this from experience. My son and his roommate used their heat money for groceries this past winter. They kept their apartment at 40 from mid Jan on. It was eat and bundle up (lots of hours at the library), or stay warm and starve. Neither could find steady work, and both were living off student loans and what was left of rapidly depleting college savings.

                              As to the other (Section 8), yeah, I can believe that and probably know people who have done, or are planning on doing this. Sucking off the government teet is an art form to many people I came across in my 22 years in MI. Being a Texas gal, I was stunned beyond belief at the attitudes in MI. 

                              Your story about the groceries made me want to puke. I hope you find some sort of recourse. I'd definitely encourage you to send your story to Fox News, especially in light of them having Leroy Fick on their show tomorrow. I'm bummed that I'm going to miss it.

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