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Lucky lottery lady outed as Stanford University statistics PhD

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Posted: August 8, 2011, 7:00 pm - IP Logged

This is funny a person winning four time some
questioning but non questioning one area in California that wins 95% of all lottery
games. That is scratchers, big spin, mega, the area wins almost all prizes
above one hundred thousand dollar yet more than half are unclaimed. The area in
California is a fifty mile radius around Los Angeles. If these women lived in
the LA area would this still be an issue? Now I know a lot of you will say LA
has the most winner because they buy the most tickets, really check the lotteries
web page for the area were ticket sales have increased 13% and it is not the LA
area .As per the lottery web site half of all sale are from Southern California
and half from Northern California.

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    Posted: August 8, 2011, 7:06 pm - IP Logged

    I smell a big fat nasty hood rat. Methinks its an inside job. Follow the money...

    That money's gone fo ever

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      Posted: August 8, 2011, 7:17 pm - IP Logged

      you guys want random, play mega millions and powerball

       

      Now that is where Luck Rules,  even a person specialising in statistics will have a epic uphill fight vs them 2 games

       

      however as others have pointed out,  the card games are fixed, they just hide where the winners are shipped and when they shipped out in each game

      i however do like what some states do with play it again, like tennessee

      all the losers can be entered into a random raffle draw, and 1 winner at end of the game life form the raffle get the top prize they lost, its a nice random element to sure win in a fixed game,

       

      besides that, their nonething random about it, winners and losers was fixed before a single person buyed any.

       

      at lest with mega millions and powerball, we don't have to worry about it being fixed, its just luck vs insane odds

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        Posted: August 8, 2011, 7:23 pm - IP Logged

        I'm not saying there was any hanky-panky going on but if there was, I would think that rather than her figuring out the algos and all that, it was something much more simple.

        Like a person or persons at the Lottery or at the printing outfit telling his friend that he's sending the winning ticket(s) to his store and the store owner tells the lady to come in and buy that book of tickets and they all clandestinely split the winnings in some manner.

        It's been done before.

        I'd be interested to know if the store owner just happened to move to another country after closing the store.

        And if his name was Patel.

         

        Edit: When I say it's been done before I don't mean this whole scenario but only someone tipping off someone else about where the winning ticket(s) are.

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          Posted: August 8, 2011, 7:31 pm - IP Logged

          WOW!!!!! I don't know what to make of thisWhat?

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            Posted: August 8, 2011, 7:32 pm - IP Logged

            I'm not saying there was any hanky-panky going on but if there was, I would think that rather than her figuring out the algos and all that, it was something much more simple.

            Like a person or persons at the Lottery or at the printing outfit telling his friend that he's sending the winning ticket(s) to his store and the store owner tells the lady to come in and buy that book of tickets and they all clandestinely split the winnings in some manner.

            It's been done before.

            I'd be interested to know if the store owner just happened to move to another country after closing the store.

            And if his name was Patel.

             

            Edit: When I say it's been done before I don't mean this whole scenario but only someone tipping off someone else about where the winning ticket(s) are.

            Does seem to good to be true.

            Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

            For a lead role in a cage?

             

                                                        From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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              Posted: August 8, 2011, 8:21 pm - IP Logged

              Winning the jackpot multiple times with ball games then it can be seen as having good luck.
              When winning with predetermind lottery games (scratch offs) or RNG type lottery multiple times, in millions, jackpot prizes, then there's a small chance being inside work.

              If this is the work of highly sophisicated inside job, then someone has to stand forward to claim the winning tickets. Someone with a math degree, like a PhD so they don't question how it was done, because it's too complex you know at PhD level and all. Perfect mascot for the team.

              Then again, there are amazing people in this world with unbelivable abilities and good fortunes that is out of this world. That this winner is among one the lucky few.

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                Posted: August 8, 2011, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

                This is making some heads explode.  I don't think these are scratchies.  This story was on Drudge.  You can't explain it away.  Accept it. Someone has a good methodology (system) whatever to win,  just like the guy a few months ago who has repeatedly won.  It is possible. 

                One can conclude this:

                If you a have a good bank and system,  play it and stick to it.

                If you don't have a good bank and system.....................quick pig and hope for the best.

                Release the pigs!

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                  Posted: August 8, 2011, 9:02 pm - IP Logged

                  Can't vouch for Tennessee, but this type of stuff will happen from time to time.  Plus I've seen the balls flying around, I know it's random, but I still rarely play Pick 3 anymore (50% payouts made me wanna stop playing, the worse popular Casino Table game - roullette - pays back 94ish percent, so I'll stick w/ JP games, where I'm not thinking about the low payout lol)

                   

                  If Tennessee uses RNGs then I can say without a doubt it's not random.  B/C computers are essentially non-random (there's very few ways to get randomness from a PC, see random.org) but for all intensive purposes, RNGs are basically the same.  They are essentially random, even though they'd have to use an algorithm to pick the next number, which is a set of pre-defined steps, making it not ACTUALLY random, it just appears to be random for all technical purposes.

                   

                  Point is, unless there's a glitch, bad programming, or cheating going on, for all intensive purposes RNGs are fine.  It's just that those 3 instances can occur a lot easier in RNGs than with Ping Pong balls, which is why Lotteries that want to appear to have integrity should use them.

                   

                  I remember one month where NJ saw like 10 repeats straight, and that's with balls, which are 100 percent random.

                  Boney the way I read it...3 of these wins were scrtatch offs.............  Personally I find it hard to believe everything is kosher.  I have always wondered about the people who work at the places that make the scratch offs.   I think they could figure out a way to tell where the big payouts would be if they are not an honest person.

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                    Posted: August 8, 2011, 9:24 pm - IP Logged

                    "Ginther is a former math professor with a PhD from Stanford University specialising in statistics."

                    Nuff Said

                    Keep moving Forward.

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                      Posted: August 8, 2011, 9:35 pm - IP Logged

                      This is making some heads explode.  I don't think these are scratchies.  This story was on Drudge.  You can't explain it away.  Accept it. Someone has a good methodology (system) whatever to win,  just like the guy a few months ago who has repeatedly won.  It is possible. 

                      One can conclude this:

                      If you a have a good bank and system,  play it and stick to it.

                      If you don't have a good bank and system.....................quick pig and hope for the best.

                      Release the pigs!

                      I stand corrected.  I didn't read it to the bottom on Drudge.  Three wins were scratchies and one was not.   Big scratchie games are expensive requiring a bank,  but she did hit a non scratchie jackpot and she'll probably hit another before the end of a quadrillion years.

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                        Posted: August 8, 2011, 10:44 pm - IP Logged

                        It wasn't luck. But asking her how she did it is like asking her if she wants to be arrested and sued.

                        The first win was luck, then she used her good fortune to study and investigate and learned something very interesting.

                        But we know it is in the states' interest to assure lottery players no one can figure out the games so Texas says "Nope, nothing to see here, move along." But I think this quote from The Sting says it..."What was I supposed to do - call him for cheating better than me, in front of the others?"

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                          I did a digital download of this mag, just for this article. Just a brief summary.

                          The reporter talked to a statistics PhD who said the odds of one person hitting the 3 scratchers is much steeper than 18 septillion.

                          The reporter spoke to a state official from another lottery who said  "I am certain that the Texas Lottery is doing a serious investigation, and they are not going to let anyone know about it."   An IRS investigation is the what the locals say promted the store closing.

                          The scratch tickets are the most vunerable ticket for fraud in the lottery.   http://www.lotterypost.com/news/127545

                          Joan Ginther won 4 jackpots.She was in the Virgin Islands on vacation, according to locals for the pick 6 ticket win.  Her elderly father was the ticket holder and gave it to Joan to cash in.

                          Joan Ginther has lived in Las Vegas for many years.  She has returned to the town twice a year to buy tickets.  She stays in a local hotel and scratches away.  Sometimes she can be found in the store passing out $1 or $2 tickets to anyone who comes in.  Joan is known in Bishop for her kind and generious nature, even buying a car for a local woman, who she did not even know.

                          Locals say she did not play scratchers since her pick 6 win in 93.  They do report her coming into town twice a year, to buy tickets for the last 5 or 6 years.  Estimates of 3,000 tickets a year. Locals say the store owner holds tickets for Joan,  anyone asking is told they are sold out of certain tickets.  Joan buys $50 tickets that are 20 to a sealed pack. 

                          How could Joan know when to buy tickets, through a request from the Texas Lottery for public info on tickets or the web.

                          Dawn Nettles runs  a TX lotto website.  She is one of best TX lottery watchdogs.  She asks for info on a weekly basis and posts it on her website.  The games Joan Ginther won had 3 top prize tickets.

                          Dawn has noticed the 1st grand prize is won quickly, then they hold the other 2 jp tickets till the end.  (Which is a good idea, who would race out to pay $50 for a ticket when all the top prizes are gone. )

                          All 3  tickets Joan bought were  the second to win, near the end of the game.   

                          It's 7 pages, so I hope I summed it up okay.

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                            Posted: August 8, 2011, 11:21 pm - IP Logged

                            If the company producing the tickets has an algorithm for distributing the prizes on the tickets then it was known by several people.  However since she brought all her winning tickets at the same store in a little town of less than four thousand people, it wouldn't have helped her knowing it if the winning tickets weren't distributed in that town at that store.

                            Texas is so free with it's information that Joan could have figured out from the info on the web,  and the destination of such tickets.

                            A sparcely populated town like Bishop would help, with the lack of ticket sales, or if the store owner held the packs for her.

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                              Now that I understand the real importance of math and stats, I wish I had paid more attention to these subjects than to girls. Although, to be honest, the girls were a helluva lot more fun.