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Asset managers accused of fronting for real $254M Powerball winner

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Posted: November 29, 2011, 6:22 pm - IP Logged

He made the wrong assessment because he automatically took the opposite view of mine. I first announced the 3 investment advisers were probably acting as a front and rdgrnr disagreed immediately never wanting to appear to agree with me.

Mario38,

Your post + the rules copied in your sig,

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= OH THE IRONY.

Or is it simply that since you somehow, EH, honed in on rdgrnr, EH, in whatever universe you are in, EH, that was not criticizing rdrgnr, EH, but just an idea, EH?

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As for the investment advisers being front men, I think they were too, but "Vas you dere Charley?" certainly applies here.

Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

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There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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    Posted: November 29, 2011, 7:23 pm - IP Logged

    Now that this has come out, I think a lot of other future winners will now be doing the same thing. I know I will. (so much for my anomynity) lol.  But I would have done it anyway.

    If the lotteries would give winners the option to remain anomymous, this would not happen. But with a lot of people looking for hand-outs or an easy payday, and the litigious world we live in nowadays, unfortunately people are left with no choice but to try to remain anomymous. Which should be their right.

    Whether or not they decide to give to charities is their choice. No one told them what to do with their money when they didn't have any, why should people suddenly want to tell you what to do with it when you get some?

    "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

    The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

    Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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      Posted: November 29, 2011, 7:24 pm - IP Logged

      To whomever won the lottery congrats and enjoy the money.  Which is why they probably had the trust set up for them.  Nice win!  Their is always another jackpot to win.-weshar75

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        Posted: November 29, 2011, 7:27 pm - IP Logged

        Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!

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          Posted: November 29, 2011, 7:34 pm - IP Logged

          I support what the real winner did. I already have official plans set up if I win a jackpot as I don't want anyone knowing I won. I will do whatever it takes to protect my identity & privacy.

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            Posted: November 29, 2011, 8:09 pm - IP Logged

            The 3 asset managers do not have to give the real winner a penny since they claimed the jackpot!!!Evil LookingEvil LookingEvil Looking

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              Posted: November 29, 2011, 8:19 pm - IP Logged

              The 3 asset managers do not have to give the real winner a penny since they claimed the jackpot!!!Evil LookingEvil LookingEvil Looking

              lol

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                Posted: November 29, 2011, 8:32 pm - IP Logged

                The 3 asset managers stated that there are no secret lottery winner,they are the only three trustees of the jackpot. They plan on donating $1 million to a charity to help veterans and turning $100 million into $400 million.

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                  Posted: November 29, 2011, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

                  i even posted a thing in "many what if threads"  on lottery post about such a event , before it even happened

                   the thread was don't trust lottery winner press conference ,

                  http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/236325/2218953

                   

                  "funny thing, i  had my idea's on this one,     

                   

                  like name my trust, mexican investments inc  trust, or whatever

                  hire some decent stand in, who lips are sealed"acter"

                  who is a mexican, ofc he be a husky guy wearing a  sombrero hat, giant sun glass's, and a fake santa bread. 

                  and do the press conference acting as if he sole winner

                  , where the lawyer telling media plz don't ask who the winner is, i let winner tell you hes story thro:

                  stand in comes on stand, hitting key story telling points.

                   saying he wish's to keep hes identy a serect for him self and, due to where  hes extended family lives in mexico where kidnaping is high rate. and he don't want to put their lifes at risk

                  "media guilt to stay out of hes life" epic win!

                  and give them a  classic hes a mexican who mom came to american for american dream. to support her boy/ family,  and how he promise's to take care of all hes relatives back home in mexico and buy hes mom  ever thing she dreams of'

                   

                  while me and my laywer 2 weeks later

                  am in hes office having a meeting about investments, we  are  Laughing our butts off about how easy it is to trick everyone.


                  ofc, i be moving into a new area where all the rich people live and hang out, , and no one wiser as am not a mexican.  and no one put new rich white guy+ lottery winner in same thinking at same time. 

                  all part of cover to not only hide  who i am form public, but to trick them so they never have a Clue

                  So i agree, don't trust lottery winner press conference,"

                   

                  they just replaced my mexicon cover story, with wealth managers being the decoy role. genius none the less, the fact am seeing this play out in real life, when i dreamed of such trickery, rofl.

                   

                  i was fooled for first 24 hours. not many more am not,!    i did find it bit odd, i blow it off they was just freinds that 1 ticket got spit 3 ways.

                  now with close friend claiming other wise, it does make sense.....

                   

                  i was thinking why they take more then 2 weeks, losing bank interest, now i know, it was to make sure their real winner/cilent  was hidden, by trying to pulla  fast one over us

                  the fact is, the real winner is hidden in that trust, that trust could pay to a  2nd trust, where real winner is , we public  will Never know, long as they keep it hidden.

                  this is using trust the right way, they just added whole decoy  element to try to fool everyone. LOL 

                   

                  they are wealth managers for rich people, now they have their richest cilent ever, they would glady do all this stuff,  you have a cilent thats 2x the net worth of all your old cilents, you will glady work your ass off . as what is taking place is their efforts to help winner never be know, take the fall them self's LOL

                  will they take the money and run? they look like they could use the exercise.

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                    Posted: November 29, 2011, 9:41 pm - IP Logged

                    Yeah somethin aint right, but on a differrent note lets hope mega takes off like it did a year ago and we get to see a record jackpot for the new year.............come on mega!!!!!!!

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                      Posted: November 29, 2011, 11:29 pm - IP Logged

                      Who gives a SH*T about who won or cashed in this fu*king ticket!!!!!

                      Fact: The DA*N ticket has finally been cashed in!!

                      Reality: Move on the the next drawing and move on with your lives.

                      I am so tired of the media making a big hoopla about this fricking ticket!!

                      Be honest, Do you REALLY care about who won?

                      I'm just thrilled that the ticket has been cashed and the jackpot won't be "rolled back into the system".

                      GOOD GRAVY, give it a rest.

                      If anything, start fraudulent claims charges against the knuckleheads that "claimed" to have lost the winning ticket. Turkey

                      Is there so little going on in this pathetic world that the media have to run stories like this?

                      After all, as stated in previous posts, thousands of people have used a hired mouth piece or dummy front to cash in jackpot tickets.

                      Sometimes the American media makes me wonder about how brain damaged they really are.Chair

                      I agree. Who cares who the ticket belongs to?! It's not like this money is going to pay any of our bills. None of us didn't win. Let's move on.

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                        Posted: November 30, 2011, 12:08 am - IP Logged

                        sorry ridge, but it isn't like you not to have seen through this from the beginning. you are too astute to believe 3 investment bankers split a 1.00 ticket. come on. nice to see you are back on your game.

                        There was nothing to see through. One guy bought a ticket and split it with his buddies.

                        Just because a scenario can accommodate a given conspiracy doesn't automatically mean it is.


                                                                     
                                             
                                                                 

                         

                         

                         

                         

                                                                                                                           

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                          There was nothing to see through. One guy bought a ticket and split it with his buddies.

                          Just because a scenario can accommodate a given conspiracy doesn't automatically mean it is.

                          Hello rdgrnr,

                          I'm a long time reader of Lottery Post but a first time poster. I really enjoy reading your post. They are full of humor and common sense.

                          My girlfriend and I were reading this story and came up with another twist. What do you think?

                          1. Is it true that when you claim the ticket anonymusly under a trust, that the lottery and IRS know the name and SS# of the real winner even though the public doesn't?  If so, we feel the real winner is someone who didn't want the IRS and lottery commission to know who he was. Maybe he's famous, a criminal or tax evader.

                          If he had done if the normal way, his lawyer would have to give the name of the person who owns the trust to lottery commission and IRS but his identification would not be known to the public or press. Right?

                          2. We also feel the 3 amigos were used to sheild the real winner to garner publicity for their investment firm. Maybe the deal the real winner made with them was to let them claim the prize for him and in return he'd give them upfront fees, managing fees and all this free publicity for their investment firm. Does that sound reasonable?

                          Thanks in advance for your comments. I look forward to hearing from you and all the great LP posters.

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                            Posted: November 30, 2011, 5:08 am - IP Logged

                            Now that this has come out, I think a lot of other future winners will now be doing the same thing. I know I will. (so much for my anomynity) lol.  But I would have done it anyway.

                            If the lotteries would give winners the option to remain anomymous, this would not happen. But with a lot of people looking for hand-outs or an easy payday, and the litigious world we live in nowadays, unfortunately people are left with no choice but to try to remain anomymous. Which should be their right.

                            Whether or not they decide to give to charities is their choice. No one told them what to do with their money when they didn't have any, why should people suddenly want to tell you what to do with it when you get some?

                            It would be REALLY funny if another CT winner went to those guys and asked them to do the same thing again for them!! Another press conference with them showing up saying they won, THAT would be funny!

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                              Posted: November 30, 2011, 7:56 am - IP Logged

                              they just came out and admited a key trust detail

                              they are the only 3 Trustees

                               anyone who knows ever thing about trusts, would now know, Yes, in legal world, the trust won, and as only 3 "Trustees" the claim they made of them being the only 3 winners, is in legal speaking, True

                               in reality, Who the bloody f is the Beneficiaries, that is real winner

                              The trustees are the legal owners of the trust's property. The trustees administer the affairs attendant to the trust. The trust's affairs may include investing the assets of the trust, "notice the words,  investing the assets,

                              and what  job do they have in real world?, o its  investing the assests for others"      hmm. sure .................   their the "real" winners alright. hahahahaha , if fall for that trick,   your a sucker for lawyer logic.

                               

                              so when they claim they are the  only 3 winners, their not lieing any way "in legal sense" rofl ,  the trust won, as trustees, they are the 3 winners, its that simple in lawyer world.

                              the real winner is beneficiaries thro.  and that person or persons , is not wanting to be found out Rofl. good for them.

                               

                              so now that i know these assest managers are only 3 trustees,   they may as will said in lawyer speak  " yes we are not real winners, we just managers of the money for someone else, who we never ever tell who it is.

                              why

                               

                              , sense we as trustees have been ordered to kept the Beneficiaries  under wraps as per the trust rules duh , intentions of the settlor who made trust, and i have a funny feeling whoever the settlor is, is also the Beneficiarie , who put these 3 clowns as trustees.

                               

                              i see their statement  as them being only 3 trustees, the nail in door, its now offical, they are not the Beneficiaries, they are just the money managers for someone else. anyone who says other wise, does not understand trusts,