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Ruling by Justice Dept. opens a door on online gambling

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Posted: December 26, 2011, 8:26 pm - IP Logged

I like Powerball & Megamillions because they have huge jackpot amount. What about completely open doors for cross-international lottery play? If U.S. to allow for example Ukrainian peoples make wager in Powerball/Megamillions then your states make more revenue. It's great, right?I Agree!

    rdgrnr's avatar - walt
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    Posted: December 26, 2011, 8:46 pm - IP Logged

    I like Powerball & Megamillions because they have huge jackpot amount. What about completely open doors for cross-international lottery play? If U.S. to allow for example Ukrainian peoples make wager in Powerball/Megamillions then your states make more revenue. It's great, right?I Agree!

    Sounds like a great idea to me, Yuran. Thumbs Up


                                                 
                         
                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                                                       

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      Posted: December 26, 2011, 8:58 pm - IP Logged

      Sounds like a great idea to me, Yuran. Thumbs Up

      no, it's not a good idea at all. do you really want someone from the unkraine winning your state lottery or mega millions or powerball. also what if you want anonomity if you win. you cannot get it since they will have a credit or debit card record of you buying it.  this won't allow you to sell the ticket to someone else if you so choose for whatever reason and there are many. what if the irs thinks you owe them more than you think you owe. they will just grab it from you off the top. i'm thinking more of smaller jackpots that will be confiscated 50-250k 2nd prize types that you don't want the govt. in your pocket off the top. you will lose control of your own fortune if you buy online. give me a ticket that cannot be traced anytime over one that they know about right off the bat. let's face it everyone isn't an honest joe out there. the prizes are big enough now without letting everyone in the world in. let them play in their own country and stay out of ours.

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        Posted: December 26, 2011, 9:12 pm - IP Logged

        no, it's not a good idea at all. do you really want someone from the unkraine winning your state lottery or mega millions or powerball. also what if you want anonomity if you win. you cannot get it since they will have a credit or debit card record of you buying it.  this won't allow you to sell the ticket to someone else if you so choose for whatever reason and there are many. what if the irs thinks you owe them more than you think you owe. they will just grab it from you off the top. i'm thinking more of smaller jackpots that will be confiscated 50-250k 2nd prize types that you don't want the govt. in your pocket off the top. you will lose control of your own fortune if you buy online. give me a ticket that cannot be traced anytime over one that they know about right off the bat. let's face it everyone isn't an honest joe out there. the prizes are big enough now without letting everyone in the world in. let them play in their own country and stay out of ours.

        I like Ukrainians.

        Their Chicken Kiev is superb.


                                                     
                             
                                                 

         

         

         

         

                                                                                                           

        "The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

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          Posted: December 26, 2011, 9:27 pm - IP Logged

          I like Ukrainians.

          Their Chicken Kiev is superb.

          sure, ridge. lately you've become a comedian. i used to give you a modicum of credit for being somewhat knowledgeable. you hate politicians and yet you want to play right into their hands by letting them know who won right off the bat, thus allowing them to pilfer your prize in order to buy new draperies for the corner office with your money. everyone here thinks their going to win the big one and they won't be happy unless it's 100 million. but more realistically they are going to win a 2nd or 3rd tier prize. let's use 5000.00 for example. do you really want the state or fed. govt calling you up and saying congratulations on your win.  we will send you the check minus the back taxes that you owe. expect a check for 259.00 if that's the amount they deem that you owe. many people do not cash their lower tier prizes just for this reason. this is why they are going to allow online wagering in order to have a tighter big brother reign on you. you will not be able to dodge them if you buy online pure and simple. get your lazy asses out to the store and protect your anonomity. also do you really want some oil rich saudi arabian buying 20k worth of tickets and ultimately funneling that money to some foreign govt coffer. it would discourage me if kept happening, the jackpots are big enough with allowing some greasy oil rich foreigners in.

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            Posted: December 26, 2011, 9:43 pm - IP Logged

            I like Ukrainians.

            Their Chicken Kiev is superb.

            one of my best freinds is a uke,

            but i don't want to share lotteries w/ other countries,

            maybe you were just kidding,i think his parents were from kiev.

            Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.


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              Posted: December 26, 2011, 10:08 pm - IP Logged

              summing it up here are some reasons not to allow online wagering.  1. if the prize is between 600.00 and 5000.00 it will go onto your income without you having any control over it. it is wiser to pay someone unemployed 10% to cash it for you since they will not be liable for any taxes. if you purchase the ticket in a store there is no way they can prove it was yours. everyone does this because they know they have lost more in the past than they won this particular time so they feel justified in not owning up to the tax liability. 2. this also protects anyone from finding out that you won to avoid the leeches who want a piece of it. 3. forget about foreigners being allowed in for previously stated reasons. who wants some iranian big whig who extorts money from their citizens  playing your state lottery and whisking it off to their country that hates us. 3. they call it a state lottery for a reason. it is intended primarily for residents of that particular state to play and win it. if an out of state person happens to be in your state spending money in your state, then it is difficult to begrudge them playing your lottery. the numbers of these players would be microscopic anyway. good luck to them and thanks for buying gas and food in our state. 4. you'd be helping an unemployed person if you let them cash it and get their cut and at the same time saving yourself from extra tax liability. or would you rather help some crooked politician (and they all are) line his(her)pockets. go ahead and buy your traceable lottery tickets online if you want because they are going to allow this soon because they know they are losing a significant amount of tax revenue since there is no proof of ownership if you buy a ticket at a store. this is why they are doing it. don't fall for the larger jackpot ruse because most of the payoffs (lower tier) prizes are fixed amounts anyway. the likelihood that you hit the real big one is nothing more than a dream.

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                Posted: December 26, 2011, 10:20 pm - IP Logged

                no, it's not a good idea at all. do you really want someone from the unkraine winning your state lottery or mega millions or powerball. also what if you want anonomity if you win. you cannot get it since they will have a credit or debit card record of you buying it.  this won't allow you to sell the ticket to someone else if you so choose for whatever reason and there are many. what if the irs thinks you owe them more than you think you owe. they will just grab it from you off the top. i'm thinking more of smaller jackpots that will be confiscated 50-250k 2nd prize types that you don't want the govt. in your pocket off the top. you will lose control of your own fortune if you buy online. give me a ticket that cannot be traced anytime over one that they know about right off the bat. let's face it everyone isn't an honest joe out there. the prizes are big enough now without letting everyone in the world in. let them play in their own country and stay out of ours.

                Interesting opinion... But we allow anyone to play our Ukrainian lotteries via Internet. This option is available more than one year long. What happens? Nothing unusual. In our lotteries plays many peoples from Belarus, Russia and lot of other international. NO changes in prizes. All as usual even BEFORE they applying online wager.

                Even we have man from Los Angeles, that won Superloto Superdraw UAH 250 000... And also we have another jackpot won via Internet into Loto Maxima game. Maybe that man was not Ukrainians. Because jackpot not claimed yet.

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                  Posted: December 26, 2011, 10:27 pm - IP Logged

                  Opps. Man from LA, California come to Kiev and played at retailers store. This man really born in Mariupol, Ukraine. Work in LA. He is a rock-misician.

                  "From Los Angeles with love"

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                    Posted: December 26, 2011, 10:48 pm - IP Logged

                    And also interesting info. Online sales accounted only 5% from total tickets sales. Another 95% peoples go to retailers. Why? Because they want real ticket which they can touch and feel.

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                      Posted: December 26, 2011, 10:49 pm - IP Logged

                      I think you guys might be getting Ukraine and Belarus mixed up.

                      Belarusians are the meanies - Ukrainians are happy shiny people.


                                                                   
                                           
                                                               

                       

                       

                       

                       

                                                                                                                         

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                        Posted: December 26, 2011, 10:56 pm - IP Logged

                        I think you guys might be getting Ukraine and Belarus mixed up.

                        Belarusians are the meanies - Ukrainians are happy shiny people.

                        If you like soccer game then come in summer 2012 at EURO-2012 Championship which take place in Poland and Ukraine.

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                          Posted: December 27, 2011, 12:33 am - IP Logged

                          Let me play all states pick 4 online and I am happy, get a <snip> site up and running and you guys can have your fun with the megamillions and so on..

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                            Posted: December 27, 2011, 11:01 am - IP Logged

                            Ues to play Euro Millions  Spains El Gordo  But Big Brother shut that down you can't use any of your Credit Cards for online gambling SOOOO what is the Differences.What happen to Feedom  we are FREE only when we DIE thats when.No Pity!


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                              another thing if they allow interstate online lottery play any intelligent player is going to play in the state with the highest jackpot (lets exclude powerball and megamillions since that is multi-state anyway) this will take away from the weaker states that have lower tier prizes since there is only so much individual lottery discretionary money to throw away anyway. who can blame anyone for going for say idaho's state lottery instead of their own if the jackpot is higher. meanwhile state with lower jackpots will suffer. it will be too easy to play an out of state lottery if this is implemented (and it will) for a more obtrusive identification of winners by state tax procuers. if your physically in another state and want to purchase a hard copy ticket by all means do so. at least you will be spending money in that state. doing it online will destroy the smaller games in the states that offer less.