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Ruling by Justice Dept. opens a door on online gambling

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Posted: December 27, 2011, 1:55 pm - IP Logged

it figures, when they need money, then it becomes legal. what a load of crappola !  government idiots being themselves i guess.

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    I can't believe someone would post some BS about someone from the Ukraine winning Mega Millions or Powerball?  Do you realize the odds of winning either of those games?  If that's the case why do people play online poker in tournaments with players from Europe and everywhere else?  I could care less if they allowed aliens from another planet to play.

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      The Chinese would play? If their government would let them, I see a situation where 9 of every 10 jackpots would end up somewhere in China.

      The Chinese population is about 4 times the US population and given the rise of incomes over there I can see jackpot after jackpot being won by some Chinese guy.

      You don't think so? NewYorkers win jackpots more often than other states because they play more. Now imagine if only 10% of Chinese citizens decided to spend $1 on tonights mega millions. Thats 130,000,000 tickets on China alone. Oh year, they would win so many jackpots, most of us would play pick 4 and pick 3 games.

      Selling lottery online might be good but letting citizens of other countries not in US play is not so good.

      That money's gone fo ever

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        The Chinese would play? If their government would let them, I see a situation where 9 of every 10 jackpots would end up somewhere in China.

        The Chinese population is about 4 times the US population and given the rise of incomes over there I can see jackpot after jackpot being won by some Chinese guy.

        You don't think so? NewYorkers win jackpots more often than other states because they play more. Now imagine if only 10% of Chinese citizens decided to spend $1 on tonights mega millions. Thats 130,000,000 tickets on China alone. Oh year, they would win so many jackpots, most of us would play pick 4 and pick 3 games.

        Selling lottery online might be good but letting citizens of other countries not in US play is not so good.

        The Chinese cannot play in US lotteries even if they wish. Because they have very limited internet.

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          no, it's not a good idea at all. do you really want someone from the unkraine winning your state lottery or mega millions or powerball. also what if you want anonomity if you win. you cannot get it since they will have a credit or debit card record of you buying it.  this won't allow you to sell the ticket to someone else if you so choose for whatever reason and there are many. what if the irs thinks you owe them more than you think you owe. they will just grab it from you off the top. i'm thinking more of smaller jackpots that will be confiscated 50-250k 2nd prize types that you don't want the govt. in your pocket off the top. you will lose control of your own fortune if you buy online. give me a ticket that cannot be traced anytime over one that they know about right off the bat. let's face it everyone isn't an honest joe out there. the prizes are big enough now without letting everyone in the world in. let them play in their own country and stay out of ours.

          1. People outside the US are already buying Mega Millions and Powerball tickets. There are lots of online ticket sellers more than happy to charge people triple the normal ticket price!

          2. If you sell a ticket to someone else, aren't you liable for tax on that income anyway..? And unless you're planning on getting paid in used dollar bills it's pretty visible the moment it hits your bank account.

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            another thing if they allow interstate online lottery play any intelligent player is going to play in the state with the highest jackpot (lets exclude powerball and megamillions since that is multi-state anyway) this will take away from the weaker states that have lower tier prizes since there is only so much individual lottery discretionary money to throw away anyway. who can blame anyone for going for say idaho's state lottery instead of their own if the jackpot is higher. meanwhile state with lower jackpots will suffer. it will be too easy to play an out of state lottery if this is implemented (and it will) for a more obtrusive identification of winners by state tax procuers. if your physically in another state and want to purchase a hard copy ticket by all means do so. at least you will be spending money in that state. doing it online will destroy the smaller games in the states that offer less.

            You seem to be arguing against competition.

            Competition doesn't destroy, it makes things better.

            If Tennessee players had the option of playing online in other states, Tennessee would have two options - make their lottery better or lose the revenue. Which do you think they would choose?

            If Tennessee players all started playing in states with real ball drawings, Tennessee would drop the computers real quick.

            It's the only way Tennessee Lottery officials would ever pay any attention to what the players want.

            As it stands now they just tell us to STFU because they know most players aren't going to drive to another state to play.

            Let states compete for lottery dollars and you'll see the best lotteries ever.


                                                         
                                 
                                                     

             

             

             

             

                                                                                                               

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              Posted: December 27, 2011, 9:18 pm - IP Logged

              If you like soccer game then come in summer 2012 at EURO-2012 Championship which take place in Poland and Ukraine.

              I'm not a soccer fan but thank you anyway, Yuran.


                                                           
                                   
                                                       

               

               

               

               

                                                                                                                 

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                You seem to be arguing against competition.

                Competition doesn't destroy, it makes things better.

                If Tennessee players had the option of playing online in other states, Tennessee would have two options - make their lottery better or lose the revenue. Which do you think they would choose?

                If Tennessee players all started playing in states with real ball drawings, Tennessee would drop the computers real quick.

                It's the only way Tennessee Lottery officials would ever pay any attention to what the players want.

                As it stands now they just tell us to STFU because they know most players aren't going to drive to another state to play.

                Let states compete for lottery dollars and you'll see the best lotteries ever.

                "Competition doesn't destroy, it makes things better."

                I Agree! and think about all the unique games in other states that we would like to play without traveling 100s of miles.

                "As it stands now they just tell us to STFU because they know most players aren't going to drive to another state to play."

                On the down side there are currently laws in some states prohibiting their residence from gambling online. As greedy as the TN lottery and the people running the educational fund where the profits go seem to be, I just can't see giving up a possible huge portion of their current player base by allowing them to purchase other state lottery tickets online.

                Will the laws be repealed to benefit the players or changed to just allow online gambling run by the state lottery within the state borders?


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                  it should restricted to your own state. apparently tenn has a bad lottery that no one likes for whatever reason. if they allow interstate online play tenn will have to upgrade theirs or it would probably become extinct. other state have more appealing types of games so who can blame tennesseeites for wanting online interstate options. there's only so much money you can spend playing the games anyway so maybe it would make sense to restrict online play to your state only or maybe any bordering state but not beyond. just remember you and only you will be liable for tax tickets if you play online. that alone is enough reason not to do it.

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                    it should restricted to your own state. apparently tenn has a bad lottery that no one likes for whatever reason. if they allow interstate online play tenn will have to upgrade theirs or it would probably become extinct. other state have more appealing types of games so who can blame tennesseeites for wanting online interstate options. there's only so much money you can spend playing the games anyway so maybe it would make sense to restrict online play to your state only or maybe any bordering state but not beyond. just remember you and only you will be liable for tax tickets if you play online. that alone is enough reason not to do it.

                    "if they allow interstate online play tenn will have to upgrade theirs or it would probably become extinct."

                    Yep and I believe that's the point rdgnr was trying to make. The pick-3 players living near the Tennessee/Kentucky border probably now buy their pick-3 tickets in Kentucky because of the $600 to $1 payoff. The KY players near the KY/WVA border might be playing WVA's Cash 25 and the WVA players might be playing KY's 3 Line Lotto. When I lived in Ohio I bought Quinto tickets in Pennsylvania.

                    Savvy Lottery directors will develop new games or revamp old games with lower percentage house racks to take advantage of the huge volume potential from online interstate play. When was the last time you heard anyone on LP say "I wish I could play the Tennessee Lottery games?

                    "just remember you and only you will be liable for tax tickets if you play online. that alone is enough reason not to do it."

                    Off track horse racing betting is legal and been around for well over 20 years. Some online sites have legally taken bets on tracks all over the world for almost 10 years. If online players win any bet that exceeds the IRS limit, they are given a W-2G just like the players at the live racing tracks. And online players can get a record of their year's betting if they choose to go long form and deduct their gambling losses. Off track betting is exactly the same whether it's done in an off track betting parlor, at a race track, or in privacy of your home. The same can easily be done with Lottery games.

                    You're apparently against competition, free enterprise, and allowing adults to spend their gambling money any way the choose.


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                      "if they allow interstate online play tenn will have to upgrade theirs or it would probably become extinct."

                      Yep and I believe that's the point rdgnr was trying to make. The pick-3 players living near the Tennessee/Kentucky border probably now buy their pick-3 tickets in Kentucky because of the $600 to $1 payoff. The KY players near the KY/WVA border might be playing WVA's Cash 25 and the WVA players might be playing KY's 3 Line Lotto. When I lived in Ohio I bought Quinto tickets in Pennsylvania.

                      Savvy Lottery directors will develop new games or revamp old games with lower percentage house racks to take advantage of the huge volume potential from online interstate play. When was the last time you heard anyone on LP say "I wish I could play the Tennessee Lottery games?

                      "just remember you and only you will be liable for tax tickets if you play online. that alone is enough reason not to do it."

                      Off track horse racing betting is legal and been around for well over 20 years. Some online sites have legally taken bets on tracks all over the world for almost 10 years. If online players win any bet that exceeds the IRS limit, they are given a W-2G just like the players at the live racing tracks. And online players can get a record of their year's betting if they choose to go long form and deduct their gambling losses. Off track betting is exactly the same whether it's done in an off track betting parlor, at a race track, or in privacy of your home. The same can easily be done with Lottery games.

                      You're apparently against competition, free enterprise, and allowing adults to spend their gambling money any way the choose.

                      untrue, you can go to an otb and hit a tax ticket and get someone else to cash it for you. online though you are stuck with it. same for the lottery, better off with real convenience store ticket if you feel the need to avoid the taxes on lower tier hits.  and the question of whether tenn would revamp their lottery or allow it to die if residents went out of state is justified. it would make sense for them to revamp it, but would they just try to get the players who don't play online or live in the center of the state and had no choice. can't answer for the tenn lottery officials decision on that one.

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                        untrue, you can go to an otb and hit a tax ticket and get someone else to cash it for you. online though you are stuck with it. same for the lottery, better off with real convenience store ticket if you feel the need to avoid the taxes on lower tier hits.  and the question of whether tenn would revamp their lottery or allow it to die if residents went out of state is justified. it would make sense for them to revamp it, but would they just try to get the players who don't play online or live in the center of the state and had no choice. can't answer for the tenn lottery officials decision on that one.

                        You're making a mountain out of a mole hill because the majority of sales in every state lottery including Tennessee are scratch-offs. If some players are worried about paying taxes or have a way of collecting their winnings without the IRS knowing, they'll continue to buy the online game tickets at their local stores.

                        I doubt interstate online ticket sales will drastically boost sales unless a lottery comes up with a "must play" game. The one area where I do see a potential is raffle tickets. The last time I looked Ohio hasn't sold all their New Years raffle tickets and if they had online play, all the tickets would probably be sold. That opens the door to selling more raffle tickets by increasing the number of $1 million winner without changing the 1 in 125,000 chances.

                        Internet poker is probably the best bet for increasing lottery revenues.