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Posted: March 8, 2012, 11:31 am - IP Logged

That money she is collecting in food stamps is not her's, she might be the tax payer now, but it's still  not her personal bank account.,

People like me who scream the loudest don't pay taxes, REALLY !!!!!

Your experience,,, wow, not much experience we shelled out more than you probably made, and I am sick of not getting any of it back, I am sick of supporting people who  have no desire to support themselves.

I am sick of human garbage that takes and takes and takes.

You will be blocked so go ahead and defend the thieves of the world who refuse to work.

I Agree!

If inner city schools are the blame for being "poor and uneducated", EVERY single person that has ever graduated from any of these schools would fail ........ that is not the case.

I worked for over 20 years with my disability until I was told by my last employer to stop working!

Before that, when I lost my last full time job, I worked for minimum wage with no public assistance!

It is a matter of personal responsibility and pride!

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    Posted: March 8, 2012, 11:33 am - IP Logged

    That money she is collecting in food stamps is not her's, she might be the tax payer now, but it's still  not her personal bank account.,

    People like me who scream the loudest don't pay taxes, REALLY !!!!!

    Your experience,,, wow, not much experience we shelled out more than you probably made, and I am sick of not getting any of it back, I am sick of supporting people who  have no desire to support themselves.

    I am sick of human garbage that takes and takes and takes.

    You will be blocked so go ahead and defend the thieves of the world who refuse to work.

    Isn't it grand to see how these topics about welfare and lotteries, always seem to bring out the best in all of us? It is so refreshing to see a forum

    of folks reaching out to one other with such passion, genuine concern and determination to find meaningful solutions. These exchanges and the 

    framework that allows this grandeur process to take place, should be a role model for others to learn and benefit from.      Lovies       Hyper


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      she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income. she going to squander it all anyway. who gives a rat's petuny if she is and has been successful in bilking the food stamp program. you could all do it if you tried.

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        Here is my problem who criticize people like this woman for still taking food stamps. That measly $200 a month she is getting in assistance, she paid for it in the $250,000 plus in taxes she paid. At that rate she will recoup her money in about 100 years or so. The other guy who started all of this he paid about $1.2 million in taxes so it will be several lifetimes before he gets his money back. 

        They are some of the biggest taxpayers in the country, they should be getting thank you letters from people. I bet half the people complaining about them are either living off their tax money they paid or have family members that are through some sort of social program. 

        Considering she won a million dollars initially and only got $700,000 before taxes, she was already in my opinion taxed an extra $300,000 right off the bat so her real taxes were closer to $600,000. If you win $500 on a scratch off ticket you get $500 and you don't pay taxes so I don't understand why when you win large amounts it gives them the right to effectively steal back almost half of the money. 

        The same politicians showing fake outrage over this are the same ones that pass large tax breaks for corporations and their buddies so they pay virtually no taxes. For example if you own 10 Subway restaurants you get no tax break and pay your full taxes, but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes. That does not seem fair now, does it?

        The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy. 

        In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses.

        "I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't I thought maybe it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton told WDIV. "I feel that it's OK because I have no income, and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

        "The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy."

        The only part of that I agree with is "Clayton was poor" but hasn't been since the day she cashed the $500,000 check. It's not Clayton's fault she continued to receive food stamps because she thought they would cut her off, but to say because "I have no income, and I have bills to pay [and] have two houses" is a slap in the face to those denied food stamps when they making payments on a 15 year-old car.

        "The same politicians showing fake outrage over this"

        Nothing fake about saying "State assistance, our tax dollars, is meant to go to those who are truly in need" and the DHS guidelines determines who is in need. Maybe being down to your last half million qualifies you for food stamps where you live, but not in the other 99.99% of the U.S. and certainly not in Lincoln Park, Michigan.

        "but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes."

        That may be the dumbest statement I've ever read on LP!

        "In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses."

        The tax money deducted from our paychecks every week or from lottery winnings was never ours and we have very little say on how it's spent. The only tax money we have a chance at getting back (with the exception of a refund for paying too much) is F.I.C.A and the will be questionable in the next few years. But Clayton isn't working and not paying into SS and it wasn't deducted from her lottery winnings. The taxes on the winnings she paid is not her money.

        Zorn tried to close the loop hole in 2010 when another millionaire continued to receive food stamps and Clayton justifies his efforts. The real outrage is when we see people buying cases of pop with their "red, white, and blue" cards and then loading them in to the trunk of their brand new cars.

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          Posted: March 8, 2012, 11:59 am - IP Logged

          Isn't it grand to see how these topics about welfare and lotteries, always seem to bring out the best in all of us? It is so refreshing to see a forum

          of folks reaching out to one other with such passion, genuine concern and determination to find meaningful solutions. These exchanges and the 

          framework that allows this grandeur process to take place, should be a role model for others to learn and benefit from.      Lovies       Hyper

          M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

          It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

          Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

          I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

          Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

          For a lead role in a cage?

           

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            she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income. she going to squander it all anyway. who gives a rat's petuny if she is and has been successful in bilking the food stamp program. you could all do it if you tried.

            "she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income."

            And this when I thought I just read the dumbest statement.

            Line 21 form 1040, other income, Prizes and awards

            Did you ever stop and think why the lotteries deduct taxes from lottery prize (hint) winnings if wasn't considered income?

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              Posted: March 8, 2012, 12:15 pm - IP Logged

              I Agree!

              If inner city schools are the blame for being "poor and uneducated", EVERY single person that has ever graduated from any of these schools would fail ........ that is not the case.

              I worked for over 20 years with my disability until I was told by my last employer to stop working!

              Before that, when I lost my last full time job, I worked for minimum wage with no public assistance!

              It is a matter of personal responsibility and pride!

              I graduated from Henry Ford High school in Detroit,  I can read and write. You right we can't keep blaming schools, Parents need to be more involved in the learning process.

              Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

              For a lead role in a cage?

               

                                                          From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

                It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

                Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

                I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

                It's really simple Sully, the welfare systems has grown so large, there is not enough people to enforce the rules. With so many people on this thread supporting Clayton to continue receiving Public Assistance without credible reasons why, makes me wonder if 2 or 3 out of ten people in our country are on some type of Public Assistance.


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                  M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

                  It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

                  Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

                  I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

                  I totally agree with your assessment sully, particularly in your home state of Michigan, perhaps one of the worst hit areas in the country.

                  It must be very frustrating for you to witness this fraud first hand. Working in a grocery store especially, you have truly seen it all.   Scared

                   

                  I was just commenting on this forum exchange process. Sometimes its good to step back and view things with a little comical intervention.

                  Being overly serious, can raise your blood pressure, and sometimes prevent you from having the satisfaction of a meaningful debate.

                  Good posts! Wish we had more like you all over the country.

                   

                  See you in the forums!    See Ya!

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                    Posted: March 8, 2012, 12:47 pm - IP Logged

                    It's really simple Sully, the welfare systems has grown so large, there is not enough people to enforce the rules. With so many people on this thread supporting Clayton to continue receiving Public Assistance without credible reasons why, makes me wonder if 2 or 3 out of ten people in our country are on some type of Public Assistance.

                    Yes it's clogged up, In Michigan, the have been many Department of Human services people fired and or prosecuted for giving welfare out to friends and family who didn't need it, The system is corrupt.

                    Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                    For a lead role in a cage?

                     

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                      I totally agree with your assessment sully, particularly in your home state of Michigan, perhaps one of the worst hit areas in the country.

                      It must be very frustrating for you to witness this fraud first hand. Working in a grocery store especially, you have truly seen it all.   Scared

                       

                      I was just commenting on this forum exchange process. Sometimes its good to step back and view things with a little comical intervention.

                      Being overly serious, can raise your blood pressure, and sometimes prevent you from having the satisfaction of a meaningful debate.

                      Good posts! Wish we had more like you all over the country.

                       

                      See you in the forums!    See Ya!

                      We just had our taxes done monday, still a little raw from that, getting a whole 6 dollars back from the state. If we could just keep more of the money we earned, life would be better, we are not rich, but we aren't getting ahead either,  I am tired of going without the things I want , while watching others get what they want plus me feed them.

                      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                      For a lead role in a cage?

                       

                                                                  From Pink Floyd's " Wish you were here"

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                        Glad to see my home State finally getting it together. 

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                          No surprise. No one looked into her new address when they sent the check. I'm sure the states are in the scam too with the federal funds and only spoke up when it hit the news. If anyone needs free heat, rent or presents for the kids, i can send you a copy of our neighborhood handbook.

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                            We just had our taxes done monday, still a little raw from that, getting a whole 6 dollars back from the state. If we could just keep more of the money we earned, life would be better, we are not rich, but we aren't getting ahead either,  I am tired of going without the things I want , while watching others get what they want plus me feed them.

                            I Agree! .....................Sully we just did our Taxes we owe the State of Oklahoma $169.00 so I feel your pain..

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                              I could be wrong but the first guy that made the headlines actually called and told them that he won the lottery but the way he claimed it (lump sum), it didnt count as income under the dhs rules only assets. If the law allows this, then its the idiots that wrote the laws that are the first ones to blame. Just curious if shes not breaking any laws because they havent been passed yet to solve this, how can they take her off it? Sounds like someones trying to cover their a**es. This is another example of why we need to vote all the idiots out of office.