State cuts lottery winner's benefits

Mar 8, 2012, 7:28 am (106 comments)

Michigan Lottery

Michigan woman who won $1M continued to collect $200 a month in food stamps

A Lincoln Park, Michigan, woman who won $1 million in the state lottery but continued to get food stamps has an unusual connection to the legislator seeking to outlaw what she was she's doing.

Amanda Clayton, 24, won $1 million in the lottery in September and until recently was still receiving $200 a month in food stamps to feed her and her two children.

Late Wednesday, the state Department of Human Services said Clayton is now no longer getting food stamps after department officials took her off the program.

Clayton's use of taxpayer assistance after buying a new home and car with her lottery winnings follows another case of a Bay County man getting food stamps after his $2 million pay day from the lottery in 2010. That prompted state Rep. Dale Zorn to get the state House to pass legislation last month that would throw large-sum lottery winners off the welfare rolls. Legislation is pending in the Senate.

"State assistance, our tax dollars, is meant to go to those who are truly in need," said Zorn, R-Ida. "It's not meant to go to those who won big in the lottery."

In a strange twist, Zorn is a distant cousin of the grandmother of Clayton's ex-boyfriend, Joshua Ormanian of Taylor, who says Clayton went on "an insane shopping spree" after winning.

"I'm glad the person who is fighting this is actually related to us," said Rebecca Lane, 68, of Taylor, whose maiden name is Zorn and recalls meeting Rep. Dale Zorn at a family reunion in Monroe County. "There are too many people who are legitimately in need and (Clayton is) definitely not one of them."

Zorn, 58, was unaware of the family connection until The Detroit News asked about it Wednesday and doesn't recall meeting Lane. But Zorn said he checked with a cousin and family historian who verified Lane is "indeed a long distance cousin," five or six times removed.

The legislator said he introduced the bill in October, nearly five months before news of lottery winner Amanda Clayton's use of food stamps went viral Wednesday on the Internet.

Amanda Clayton would not grant The News an interview, but was not breaking any law, said her mother, Euline Clayton of Lincoln Park.

"I'm not saying it's the right thing to do," Euline Clayton said of her daughter's use of food stamps. "But it's nobody's business if she's not breaking the law."

Amanda Clayton may have broken the law if she continued to accept food stamps after her income and assets exceeded the legal limit for assistance.

To qualify for food stamps, recipients must have income below a threshold. The state last year put in place asset tests for those on welfare and food stamps.

"The person in question hasn't been eligible for a long time," said DHS spokesman Dave Akerly.

A statement issued Wednesday evening from department Director Maura Corrigan said Clayton is "now no longer receiving benefits," but it was unclear when the action was taken.

"DHS relies on clients being forthcoming about their actual financial status," she said. "If they are not, and continue to accept benefits, they may face criminal investigation and be required to pay back those benefits."

After taking a $700,000 lump sum and paying taxes, Clayton pocketed about $500,000 and bought a new home and car, Euline Clayton said.

News of Amanda Clayton remaining on food stamps was first reported this week by WDIV-TV (Channel 4). In an interview, the single mother of two said she's still "struggling" after winning big on the Michigan Lottery's "Make Me Rich!" television show.

"I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't I thought maybe it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton told WDIV. "I feel that it's OK because I have no income, and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

House Bill 5032 would require the Michigan Lottery to forward names of any resident who wins over $1,000 to DHS to be cross- referenced with public assistance roles, according to Zorn.

DHS can't track whether food stamp recipients have lottery winnings making them ineligible to receive assistance, Akerly said.

If the lottery winner is on assistance, House Bill 5033 would require DHS to assess the person's assets to determine if they are eligible for aid, Zorn said.

"Until the bill's passed, apparently it's legal, and people need to leave her alone," Euline Clayton told The Detroit News.

Zorn said he finds Clayton's claim she's struggling financially "very hard to believe," given she recently paid cash for a new car and second home.

"It doesn't seem to me that a person who can do that should be on assistance," Zorn said.

Amanda Clayton got on the "Make Me Rich!" game show after entering $10 worth of nonwinning instant tickets in the lottery's Instant Replay Contest, according to a state lottery press release. Food stamps can't be used to buy lottery tickets.

Euline Clayton said her daughter is "stressed out" from the international media attention she has attracted.

In a statement, U.S. Sen. Debbie Stabenow, D-Lansing., also called for federal legislation requiring states to prevent lottery winners from getting food and cash assistance. "At a time when so many out-of-work Michigan families are in real need of assistance, it's outrageous for people to cheat and defraud the system like this," said Stabenow, chairwoman of the Senate Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry Committee, which oversees funding for the food stamp program through the Farm Bill.

Detroit News

Comments

sully16's avatarsully16

Something is not right with her story, I know someone who has 2 kids and works part time, she collects $265.00 per person thats $795.00 per month, she gets no cash.

She owns the first house, maybe she inherited it, but how does she pay for insurance, electricity, gas, water, etc.

She probably has a job, working under the table, most times when you work under the table, someone is doing you a favor, to help hide income because, you are collecting, welfare, unemployment or your dodging child and or spousal support.

Another reason someone pays under the table is because they are not paying you fair market value for your services, in which you are screwed out of your Social Security credits.

She clearly has a pet, what does the dog eat ?

Is she renting out one of those houses ? because thats rental income, or is that a hidden cash transaction ?

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

     Well, that was an interesting read. Shows common (or lack of ) sense in typical government programs and recipients thereof. Kudos to Rep. ZORN  and Sen. Stabenow for being on the offense to curb excessive "freebies" to a person(s) that doesn't actually need it. Clayton takes home over $500K and is still struggling with 2 houses and a new car ? <lack of common sense>  Everyone say big "AWWWWW POOR BABY".. Now, this house bill #5302 is a good thing  Thumbs Up<shows some common sense>.....
        The Michigan lottery, established in May 1972, must be an affiliate of the state government as most lotteries are. Their mission statement includes," To operate all games and bureaus functions with nothing less than total integrity". Thumbs Up Good motto, gotta like it.......... Lotteries have to issue a tax form on a win of that magnitude, remove taxes before the check is cut and last I knew Michigan has a state income tax. ((I BET SULLY KNOWS !!!!!)))  Lemme check to be sure....YEUUUUP, there it is right there in black and white!! As of OCT 1st, 2007 the Michigan tax rate is at 4.35%... Are you telling me there is no program in place that matches 2 state sponsored programs to interact with each other like the tax bureau and DHS ??? Especially after almost 40 years of existence of the lottery<lack of common sense there>....Nobody in the Michigan government thought of this kind of potential issue from the 1970s until now ???  Hmmm, gotta go with <lack of common sense> there. Isn't it the states job to stop waste abuse and fraud ??? How many $$ have gone out the door over the last 40 years ?? <going w/lack of Common Sense on this too>
      This kind of makes me wonder...If a state government takes this long to get their act together ???   <scratching head> I wonder how long it will take the FEDS ???     Thud......Just an observation and an opinion on my part.

VenomV12

Here is my problem who criticize people like this woman for still taking food stamps. That measly $200 a month she is getting in assistance, she paid for it in the $250,000 plus in taxes she paid. At that rate she will recoup her money in about 100 years or so. The other guy who started all of this he paid about $1.2 million in taxes so it will be several lifetimes before he gets his money back. 

They are some of the biggest taxpayers in the country, they should be getting thank you letters from people. I bet half the people complaining about them are either living off their tax money they paid or have family members that are through some sort of social program. 

Considering she won a million dollars initially and only got $700,000 before taxes, she was already in my opinion taxed an extra $300,000 right off the bat so her real taxes were closer to $600,000. If you win $500 on a scratch off ticket you get $500 and you don't pay taxes so I don't understand why when you win large amounts it gives them the right to effectively steal back almost half of the money. 

The same politicians showing fake outrage over this are the same ones that pass large tax breaks for corporations and their buddies so they pay virtually no taxes. For example if you own 10 Subway restaurants you get no tax break and pay your full taxes, but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes. That does not seem fair now, does it?

The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy. 

In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses.

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

I am sure that some people would take exception to my keeping my disability benefits if I won a large jackpot, but I worked for 30 years to earn those benefits!

 

I know that this is off subject, but there was a $60,000,000 Powerball Winner in Rhode Island last nite!

Here come the conspiracy freaks!  Crazy  Crying  Sad Cheers

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Aaaaaaamen DP....watch the  age/race/political  card  come crankin" out of the cyber world on this one....want some Lurking and  Cheers ???  pull up a chair and set-a-spell.

OldSchoolPa's avatarOldSchoolPa

I am glad common sense prevailed in this case. 

I also hope the RI winner was not my former landlord....snake!  Thief kept my security deposit as well as that of my roommates.

When one wins the lottery, any ties to public aid should be cut.  She can reapply after she has blown through all her winnings just like Leroy Fick.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by VenomV12 on Mar 8, 2012

Here is my problem who criticize people like this woman for still taking food stamps. That measly $200 a month she is getting in assistance, she paid for it in the $250,000 plus in taxes she paid. At that rate she will recoup her money in about 100 years or so. The other guy who started all of this he paid about $1.2 million in taxes so it will be several lifetimes before he gets his money back. 

They are some of the biggest taxpayers in the country, they should be getting thank you letters from people. I bet half the people complaining about them are either living off their tax money they paid or have family members that are through some sort of social program. 

Considering she won a million dollars initially and only got $700,000 before taxes, she was already in my opinion taxed an extra $300,000 right off the bat so her real taxes were closer to $600,000. If you win $500 on a scratch off ticket you get $500 and you don't pay taxes so I don't understand why when you win large amounts it gives them the right to effectively steal back almost half of the money. 

The same politicians showing fake outrage over this are the same ones that pass large tax breaks for corporations and their buddies so they pay virtually no taxes. For example if you own 10 Subway restaurants you get no tax break and pay your full taxes, but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes. That does not seem fair now, does it?

The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy. 

In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses.

If she's poor and uneducated, thats her FAULT !

Tax payers pour billions into education, if she failed to learn anything, thats her fault.

It is not okay to expect taxpayers to care  of anyone, Period!

If you can afford lottery tickets, you don't need taxpayers to support you !

If her own family won't take care of her, why should we?

I don't care how much came of the top of her lottery winnings, It's not okay to continue to cheat taxpayers who work and can't afford lottery tickets for themselves.

She's out to get as much for herself with little or no effort, not once does she mention using THAT MONEY TO GET HIGHER EDUCATION, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE STUFF SHE CAN HAVE.

And, because she has no income and 2 houses, when she files her taxes, she will probably GET A NICE PORTION BACK.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Sully, you make excellent points all the way through and Venom has some points as well.....The one issue I failed to see in the article was about personal integrity on her part to volunteer to get off the gov system of welfare...As far as the other guy mentioned in the article, I believe I recall him being interviewed and he claimed he asked the representative about being removed. He claimed at that time they told him he was okay to continue receiving benefits. I could be wrong on how that was played out.  Either way, its a lack of honestly and personal pride to continue with these types of actions.....No No

  Just remember...You cant fix morality, no matter how much you regulate it. Chair

VenomV12

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

If she's poor and uneducated, thats her FAULT !

Tax payers pour billions into education, if she failed to learn anything, thats her fault.

It is not okay to expect taxpayers to care  of anyone, Period!

If you can afford lottery tickets, you don't need taxpayers to support you !

If her own family won't take care of her, why should we?

I don't care how much came of the top of her lottery winnings, It's not okay to continue to cheat taxpayers who work and can't afford lottery tickets for themselves.

She's out to get as much for herself with little or no effort, not once does she mention using THAT MONEY TO GET HIGHER EDUCATION, IT'S ALL ABOUT THE STUFF SHE CAN HAVE.

And, because she has no income and 2 houses, when she files her taxes, she will probably GET A NICE PORTION BACK.

Did you actually read anything I wrote or did you just want to spout your diatribe and write in the biggest letters possible regardless?

Once again that money she is collecting is hers. SHE PAID MASSIVE TAXES.

If you are this upset about a woman that paid $600,000 in taxes getting back about $200 a month, then you should be absolutely livid about people like Mitt Romney who paid little to no taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars. I believe that he was able to transfer something like $100 million to his sons tax free and pay less than half of what we would on another $20 million or so.

You just completely don't grasp the concept that she paid taxes and taxes far in excess of what she is getting do you. SHE IS THE TAXPAYER.

And I bet she had paid way more in taxes than you ever have. By the way in my experience the people like yourself who constantly scream about taxpayers this and that are usually the ones that pay little to no taxes.

sully16's avatarsully16

That money she is collecting in food stamps is not her's, she might be the tax payer now, but it's still  not her personal bank account.,

People like me who scream the loudest don't pay taxes, REALLY !!!!!

Your experience,,, wow, not much experience we shelled out more than you probably made, and I am sick of not getting any of it back, I am sick of supporting people who  have no desire to support themselves.

I am sick of human garbage that takes and takes and takes.

You will be blocked so go ahead and defend the thieves of the world who refuse to work.

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

That money she is collecting in food stamps is not her's, she might be the tax payer now, but it's still  not her personal bank account.,

People like me who scream the loudest don't pay taxes, REALLY !!!!!

Your experience,,, wow, not much experience we shelled out more than you probably made, and I am sick of not getting any of it back, I am sick of supporting people who  have no desire to support themselves.

I am sick of human garbage that takes and takes and takes.

You will be blocked so go ahead and defend the thieves of the world who refuse to work.

I Agree!   You tell 'em,girl!!

time*treat's avatartime*treat

In a strange twist, Zorn is a distant cousin of the grandmother of Clayton's ex-boyfriend, Joshua Ormanian of Taylor, who says Clayton went on "an insane shopping spree" after winning.

-Jeez, how small is this town (or the minds in it)? They hunted down an ex to comment on this story? Disapprove

GASMETERGUY

Quote: Originally posted by VenomV12 on Mar 8, 2012

Here is my problem who criticize people like this woman for still taking food stamps. That measly $200 a month she is getting in assistance, she paid for it in the $250,000 plus in taxes she paid. At that rate she will recoup her money in about 100 years or so. The other guy who started all of this he paid about $1.2 million in taxes so it will be several lifetimes before he gets his money back. 

They are some of the biggest taxpayers in the country, they should be getting thank you letters from people. I bet half the people complaining about them are either living off their tax money they paid or have family members that are through some sort of social program. 

Considering she won a million dollars initially and only got $700,000 before taxes, she was already in my opinion taxed an extra $300,000 right off the bat so her real taxes were closer to $600,000. If you win $500 on a scratch off ticket you get $500 and you don't pay taxes so I don't understand why when you win large amounts it gives them the right to effectively steal back almost half of the money. 

The same politicians showing fake outrage over this are the same ones that pass large tax breaks for corporations and their buddies so they pay virtually no taxes. For example if you own 10 Subway restaurants you get no tax break and pay your full taxes, but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes. That does not seem fair now, does it?

The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy. 

In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses.

Your reasoning is a bit convoluted.  This woman is not "getting her own money back".  She is gaming the system; pure and simple.

If food stamps was nothing more than getting your own money back, then I qualify for food stamps as would anyone else paying taxes.

But what really bothers me about this story is the fact the state had no mechanism for removing people from welfare when their situation changes.  This woman's situation changed but she did not.  She continued receiving food stamps.  Only when brought to the attention of the entire country was something done and that required a new law.

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by VenomV12 on Mar 8, 2012

Did you actually read anything I wrote or did you just want to spout your diatribe and write in the biggest letters possible regardless?

Once again that money she is collecting is hers. SHE PAID MASSIVE TAXES.

If you are this upset about a woman that paid $600,000 in taxes getting back about $200 a month, then you should be absolutely livid about people like Mitt Romney who paid little to no taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars. I believe that he was able to transfer something like $100 million to his sons tax free and pay less than half of what we would on another $20 million or so.

You just completely don't grasp the concept that she paid taxes and taxes far in excess of what she is getting do you. SHE IS THE TAXPAYER.

And I bet she had paid way more in taxes than you ever have. By the way in my experience the people like yourself who constantly scream about taxpayers this and that are usually the ones that pay little to no taxes.

Venom, while i know the above was directed at Sully, there are a few thing you may want to adjust....she did not pay $600,000. in taxes.....according to her own video statements, she VERBALLY chose to take the lump sum of $700,000.00 and after she netted just over $500,000.00 (not sure how much over the 500k)......as opposed to accepting the payments over so many years adding up to a Million. Lotteries are pretty clear on the lump sum or annuity.....Don't worry V, the feds are gonna take more, cause shes up in the 35% bracket for 2011.....Out of 700K they will get close to 250K.....
   While she is a taxpayer...just because you contribute to the system in a big lump some,doesn't guarantee you and your family a right to collect from it. That should come from a continually verified qualification. Looks as though she failed to verify.
   With that being said I am one of those taxpayers who is upset over frivolous government mismanagement and the people who illegally steal/unethically take from the system. 
   You may want to recant that statement about betting on taxes paid. I know at least one person in here that has paid in during the last 8 years more than she has.....Then again that's not what the story is about ....
         Here's hoping you and I get that same opportunity to pay our share very soon !!!   Cheers

dpoly1's avatardpoly1

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

That money she is collecting in food stamps is not her's, she might be the tax payer now, but it's still  not her personal bank account.,

People like me who scream the loudest don't pay taxes, REALLY !!!!!

Your experience,,, wow, not much experience we shelled out more than you probably made, and I am sick of not getting any of it back, I am sick of supporting people who  have no desire to support themselves.

I am sick of human garbage that takes and takes and takes.

You will be blocked so go ahead and defend the thieves of the world who refuse to work.

I Agree!

If inner city schools are the blame for being "poor and uneducated", EVERY single person that has ever graduated from any of these schools would fail ........ that is not the case.

I worked for over 20 years with my disability until I was told by my last employer to stop working!

Before that, when I lost my last full time job, I worked for minimum wage with no public assistance!

It is a matter of personal responsibility and pride!

mcginnin56

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

That money she is collecting in food stamps is not her's, she might be the tax payer now, but it's still  not her personal bank account.,

People like me who scream the loudest don't pay taxes, REALLY !!!!!

Your experience,,, wow, not much experience we shelled out more than you probably made, and I am sick of not getting any of it back, I am sick of supporting people who  have no desire to support themselves.

I am sick of human garbage that takes and takes and takes.

You will be blocked so go ahead and defend the thieves of the world who refuse to work.

Isn't it grand to see how these topics about welfare and lotteries, always seem to bring out the best in all of us? It is so refreshing to see a forum

of folks reaching out to one other with such passion, genuine concern and determination to find meaningful solutions. These exchanges and the 

framework that allows this grandeur process to take place, should be a role model for others to learn and benefit from.      Lovies       Hyper

faber98

she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income. she going to squander it all anyway. who gives a rat's petuny if she is and has been successful in bilking the food stamp program. you could all do it if you tried.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by VenomV12 on Mar 8, 2012

Here is my problem who criticize people like this woman for still taking food stamps. That measly $200 a month she is getting in assistance, she paid for it in the $250,000 plus in taxes she paid. At that rate she will recoup her money in about 100 years or so. The other guy who started all of this he paid about $1.2 million in taxes so it will be several lifetimes before he gets his money back. 

They are some of the biggest taxpayers in the country, they should be getting thank you letters from people. I bet half the people complaining about them are either living off their tax money they paid or have family members that are through some sort of social program. 

Considering she won a million dollars initially and only got $700,000 before taxes, she was already in my opinion taxed an extra $300,000 right off the bat so her real taxes were closer to $600,000. If you win $500 on a scratch off ticket you get $500 and you don't pay taxes so I don't understand why when you win large amounts it gives them the right to effectively steal back almost half of the money. 

The same politicians showing fake outrage over this are the same ones that pass large tax breaks for corporations and their buddies so they pay virtually no taxes. For example if you own 10 Subway restaurants you get no tax break and pay your full taxes, but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes. That does not seem fair now, does it?

The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy. 

In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses.

"I thought that they would cut me off, but since they didn't I thought maybe it was OK because I'm not working," Clayton told WDIV. "I feel that it's OK because I have no income, and I have bills to pay. I have two houses."

"The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy."

The only part of that I agree with is "Clayton was poor" but hasn't been since the day she cashed the $500,000 check. It's not Clayton's fault she continued to receive food stamps because she thought they would cut her off, but to say because "I have no income, and I have bills to pay [and] have two houses" is a slap in the face to those denied food stamps when they making payments on a 15 year-old car.

"The same politicians showing fake outrage over this"

Nothing fake about saying "State assistance, our tax dollars, is meant to go to those who are truly in need" and the DHS guidelines determines who is in need. Maybe being down to your last half million qualifies you for food stamps where you live, but not in the other 99.99% of the U.S. and certainly not in Lincoln Park, Michigan.

"but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes."

That may be the dumbest statement I've ever read on LP!

"In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses."

The tax money deducted from our paychecks every week or from lottery winnings was never ours and we have very little say on how it's spent. The only tax money we have a chance at getting back (with the exception of a refund for paying too much) is F.I.C.A and the will be questionable in the next few years. But Clayton isn't working and not paying into SS and it wasn't deducted from her lottery winnings. The taxes on the winnings she paid is not her money.

Zorn tried to close the loop hole in 2010 when another millionaire continued to receive food stamps and Clayton justifies his efforts. The real outrage is when we see people buying cases of pop with their "red, white, and blue" cards and then loading them in to the trunk of their brand new cars.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by mcginnin56 on Mar 8, 2012

Isn't it grand to see how these topics about welfare and lotteries, always seem to bring out the best in all of us? It is so refreshing to see a forum

of folks reaching out to one other with such passion, genuine concern and determination to find meaningful solutions. These exchanges and the 

framework that allows this grandeur process to take place, should be a role model for others to learn and benefit from.      Lovies       Hyper

M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by faber98 on Mar 8, 2012

she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income. she going to squander it all anyway. who gives a rat's petuny if she is and has been successful in bilking the food stamp program. you could all do it if you tried.

"she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income."

And this when I thought I just read the dumbest statement.

Line 21 form 1040, other income, Prizes and awards

Did you ever stop and think why the lotteries deduct taxes from lottery prize (hint) winnings if wasn't considered income?

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by dpoly1 on Mar 8, 2012

I Agree!

If inner city schools are the blame for being "poor and uneducated", EVERY single person that has ever graduated from any of these schools would fail ........ that is not the case.

I worked for over 20 years with my disability until I was told by my last employer to stop working!

Before that, when I lost my last full time job, I worked for minimum wage with no public assistance!

It is a matter of personal responsibility and pride!

I graduated from Henry Ford High school in Detroit,  I can read and write. You right we can't keep blaming schools, Parents need to be more involved in the learning process.

Stack47

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

It's really simple Sully, the welfare systems has grown so large, there is not enough people to enforce the rules. With so many people on this thread supporting Clayton to continue receiving Public Assistance without credible reasons why, makes me wonder if 2 or 3 out of ten people in our country are on some type of Public Assistance.

mcginnin56

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

I totally agree with your assessment sully, particularly in your home state of Michigan, perhaps one of the worst hit areas in the country.

It must be very frustrating for you to witness this fraud first hand. Working in a grocery store especially, you have truly seen it all.   Scared

 

I was just commenting on this forum exchange process. Sometimes its good to step back and view things with a little comical intervention.

Being overly serious, can raise your blood pressure, and sometimes prevent you from having the satisfaction of a meaningful debate.

Good posts! Wish we had more like you all over the country.

 

See you in the forums!    See Ya!

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Mar 8, 2012

It's really simple Sully, the welfare systems has grown so large, there is not enough people to enforce the rules. With so many people on this thread supporting Clayton to continue receiving Public Assistance without credible reasons why, makes me wonder if 2 or 3 out of ten people in our country are on some type of Public Assistance.

Yes it's clogged up, In Michigan, the have been many Department of Human services people fired and or prosecuted for giving welfare out to friends and family who didn't need it, The system is corrupt.

sully16's avatarsully16

Quote: Originally posted by mcginnin56 on Mar 8, 2012

I totally agree with your assessment sully, particularly in your home state of Michigan, perhaps one of the worst hit areas in the country.

It must be very frustrating for you to witness this fraud first hand. Working in a grocery store especially, you have truly seen it all.   Scared

 

I was just commenting on this forum exchange process. Sometimes its good to step back and view things with a little comical intervention.

Being overly serious, can raise your blood pressure, and sometimes prevent you from having the satisfaction of a meaningful debate.

Good posts! Wish we had more like you all over the country.

 

See you in the forums!    See Ya!

We just had our taxes done monday, still a little raw from that, getting a whole 6 dollars back from the state. If we could just keep more of the money we earned, life would be better, we are not rich, but we aren't getting ahead either,  I am tired of going without the things I want , while watching others get what they want plus me feed them.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Glad to see my home State finally getting it together. 

RedStang's avatarRedStang

No surprise. No one looked into her new address when they sent the check. I'm sure the states are in the scam too with the federal funds and only spoke up when it hit the news. If anyone needs free heat, rent or presents for the kids, i can send you a copy of our neighborhood handbook.

dallascowboyfan's avatardallascowboyfan

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

We just had our taxes done monday, still a little raw from that, getting a whole 6 dollars back from the state. If we could just keep more of the money we earned, life would be better, we are not rich, but we aren't getting ahead either,  I am tired of going without the things I want , while watching others get what they want plus me feed them.

I Agree! .....................Sully we just did our Taxes we owe the State of Oklahoma $169.00 so I feel your pain..

mightwin's avatarmightwin

I could be wrong but the first guy that made the headlines actually called and told them that he won the lottery but the way he claimed it (lump sum), it didnt count as income under the dhs rules only assets. If the law allows this, then its the idiots that wrote the laws that are the first ones to blame. Just curious if shes not breaking any laws because they havent been passed yet to solve this, how can they take her off it? Sounds like someones trying to cover their a**es. This is another example of why we need to vote all the idiots out of office.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by VenomV12 on Mar 8, 2012

Here is my problem who criticize people like this woman for still taking food stamps. That measly $200 a month she is getting in assistance, she paid for it in the $250,000 plus in taxes she paid. At that rate she will recoup her money in about 100 years or so. The other guy who started all of this he paid about $1.2 million in taxes so it will be several lifetimes before he gets his money back. 

They are some of the biggest taxpayers in the country, they should be getting thank you letters from people. I bet half the people complaining about them are either living off their tax money they paid or have family members that are through some sort of social program. 

Considering she won a million dollars initially and only got $700,000 before taxes, she was already in my opinion taxed an extra $300,000 right off the bat so her real taxes were closer to $600,000. If you win $500 on a scratch off ticket you get $500 and you don't pay taxes so I don't understand why when you win large amounts it gives them the right to effectively steal back almost half of the money. 

The same politicians showing fake outrage over this are the same ones that pass large tax breaks for corporations and their buddies so they pay virtually no taxes. For example if you own 10 Subway restaurants you get no tax break and pay your full taxes, but if you are an auto plant or something else like that, you pay virtually no taxes. That does not seem fair now, does it?

The problem with Amanda Clayton and the other guy is that they are poor and uneducated and don't know how to fight back and call people out on their hypocrisy. 

In summation, I don't necessarily think they should be taking the assistance, but it is being paid out of their money, not yours or anyone elses.

I Agree! For all  those that keep saying the get goverment out my life ,they are sure happy to make this woman give back the lousy 200 dollar a month benefit from DHS which is hardly enough a month for two kids and herself,that a none issue . Technically she and her kids will never eat that in food that she paid in taxes. Who the hell! do this Rep.Zorn is to say people will have to cross reference a 1,000 dollar will never happen. You cut  your nose off inspite of your face group,can truly say that a person paying all  that tax to the government don't need to get some parts of her money back. How about this she pay back all the food stamps amount she receive and don't pay the taxes to the State and the Feds. No NoCussing Face  If you don't agree with this accessment then you are picking and choosing your "GOVERNMENT OUT MY LIFE BS" Hypocrites.Angry

mcginnin56

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

We just had our taxes done monday, still a little raw from that, getting a whole 6 dollars back from the state. If we could just keep more of the money we earned, life would be better, we are not rich, but we aren't getting ahead either,  I am tired of going without the things I want , while watching others get what they want plus me feed them.

Wow....that sucks!   Puke    So how do you plan on "investing" your $6.00?

 

You could get 2 Powerball tickets with Powerplay, 6 MM tickets, or shoot for some pick3-4's? Can't earn much in your savings/checking

account (1% interest at best), that would yield you an annual interest of 6 cents. Eek

 

Best of luck with tomorrows MM sully!   Lep

faber98

Quote: Originally posted by Stack47 on Mar 8, 2012

"she deserves to keep her food stamps. the lottery hit isn't income."

And this when I thought I just read the dumbest statement.

Line 21 form 1040, other income, Prizes and awards

Did you ever stop and think why the lotteries deduct taxes from lottery prize (hint) winnings if wasn't considered income?

what about the govt. bailing out banks and auto companies for millions. do you care about that or about some worthless nobody getting food stamps cut because they won a minisucule lottery prize which she will squander in no time. you saps that pay taxes and don't get in on the gravy train have only yourselves to blame. at least she is playing the system for all it's worth. more power to her.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by VenomV12 on Mar 8, 2012

Did you actually read anything I wrote or did you just want to spout your diatribe and write in the biggest letters possible regardless?

Once again that money she is collecting is hers. SHE PAID MASSIVE TAXES.

If you are this upset about a woman that paid $600,000 in taxes getting back about $200 a month, then you should be absolutely livid about people like Mitt Romney who paid little to no taxes on hundreds of millions of dollars. I believe that he was able to transfer something like $100 million to his sons tax free and pay less than half of what we would on another $20 million or so.

You just completely don't grasp the concept that she paid taxes and taxes far in excess of what she is getting do you. SHE IS THE TAXPAYER.

And I bet she had paid way more in taxes than you ever have. By the way in my experience the people like yourself who constantly scream about taxpayers this and that are usually the ones that pay little to no taxes.

I Agree! You are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Yes Nod

Win$500Quick's avatarWin$500Quick

Remember Leroy Fick who won 2 million dollars in the Michigan lottery and was still using foodstamps? He will be on The Lottery Changed my Life on TLC today at 5pm.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by sully16 on Mar 8, 2012

M, I work in a grocery store, I see the people who are in true need, and I see the fraudsters, this week is welfare week in Michigan, and I will watch them buy everything from chips chips to ice cream then use cash to buy , beer, cigarettes and piles of lottery tickets, it's wrong, it's theft, it's not okay to take someone elses money through entitlements so you can have the stuff you want, while someone else buys the stuff you need through taxation.

It used to be we would get someone on welfare once in awhile, now it's everyone, today we will be hard pressed to find a customer using their own money for food.

Charity is my choice, forcing me to support some one through higher taxation is wrong.

I don't want to be the big bad mean person, but I do see the overwhelming fraud.

Exuse ! but you need another job, if i do say so.  So you don't go postal one day! It like hearing to a KKK member who's looking at an interacial couple this goes on and on. When will you and your rants about food stamp people stop! Once you take your 357MM to work with you then it will be too late for people who are minding their own business. ( you are one to watch).Crazy Mad

rdgrnr's avatarrdgrnr

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Mar 8, 2012

Exuse ! but you need another job, if i do say so.  So you don't go postal one day! It like hearing to a KKK member who's looking at an interacial couple this goes on and on. When will you and your rants about food stamp people stop! Once you take your 357MM to work with you then it will be too late for people who are minding their own business. ( you are one to watch).Crazy Mad

Louise, about 46 million people are part of Obama's Food Stamp Nation and about 57% of them are white. 

So what's all this nonsense about KKK and inter-racial this and 357 that and all that mess?

We have a Food Stamp President and it has nothing to do with race.

So let's work together to stop the hate and spread the love.

And I don't want you drinking that wine this early now, Miss Louise.

Fayfulatte's avatarFayfulatte

OMG!!!  Can we all igree that everybody pay taxes she just voicing her oppinion thats whats going on in stores everyday I always feel like when u win that much money u should also make some money HELLO!!!

sandia's avatarsandia

Quote: Originally posted by faber98 on Mar 8, 2012

what about the govt. bailing out banks and auto companies for millions. do you care about that or about some worthless nobody getting food stamps cut because they won a minisucule lottery prize which she will squander in no time. you saps that pay taxes and don't get in on the gravy train have only yourselves to blame. at least she is playing the system for all it's worth. more power to her.

 Did I like the bailout the banks got? Absolutely not! It is called common decency! Did you read the words  that came out of this child's mouth? (It will be an insult to adults to call her an adult). "I have two houses and a car, I need the money, I have bills to pay!" What?! She would have invested the money or rent out one of the houses, heaven knows she cannot live in both of them simulatenously. Entitlements, no entitlements, isn't the issue, it is the morale or lack of in the hearts of so many Americans. It is disgraceful. I have two lovely kids, they did not qualify for financial aid to attend college, apparently, we were making too much. Alas, they got partial scholarships and the rest, was supplemented by private student loans. I wonder, how the private lending institutions, will feel if I stopped paying and told them that unless, the banks return ALL of the bailout money before I pay off my kids' student loans. It is common decency! Just beacuse you can be callous, does not mean, you should. Have some pride, decency and bloody self respect! I wonder how well she will respond if, I do not know, there shall be a mandatory drug test, accommodation inspection and a thorough inspection of her financial state, REVALED to all and sundry, THAT will weed out those who truly need it from those who feel they deserve it, just beacuse!Mad

sandia's avatarsandia

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Mar 8, 2012

Exuse ! but you need another job, if i do say so.  So you don't go postal one day! It like hearing to a KKK member who's looking at an interacial couple this goes on and on. When will you and your rants about food stamp people stop! Once you take your 357MM to work with you then it will be too late for people who are minding their own business. ( you are one to watch).Crazy Mad

 Really? Sully works in a grocery store and I bet, she is not skipping to work everyday but is doing what she can to take care of her family. That, my dear is an epitome of a hardworker who is willing to make a honest living. Not everybody is blessed with a 7 figure job or, a bailout or willing to get any assistance! She is not complaining about the race of this misguided child but, she is complaining about the ACTIONS OF SOME UNDESERVING, welfare recipients! Please, discard using such non-delineating words and accusations, it does not behoove well of a civilized individual.Unhappy

CDanaT's avatarCDanaT

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Mar 8, 2012

Exuse ! but you need another job, if i do say so.  So you don't go postal one day! It like hearing to a KKK member who's looking at an interacial couple this goes on and on. When will you and your rants about food stamp people stop! Once you take your 357MM to work with you then it will be too late for people who are minding their own business. ( you are one to watch).Crazy Mad

Hey Louise....FYI, the is no such critter as a 357MM  No No......the .357  is the size of the diameter of a particular bullet in inches. To convert that to MM it would equal 9.01MM in diameter. There is a 357 S&W Mag(made in the 1930s)  which is the gun was made to shoot that round(.357)  which was derived from the .38 .......  The 9MM is a bullet that is close in size at .355 inches...Hope that helps. Glad to be of service See Ya!

sandia's avatarsandia

Quote: Originally posted by Fayfulatte on Mar 8, 2012

OMG!!!  Can we all igree that everybody pay taxes she just voicing her oppinion thats whats going on in stores everyday I always feel like when u win that much money u should also make some money HELLO!!!

 She is alraedy ahead. No one stopped her from making money. She made an investment, two houses. Why not rent one out, that would cover the property taxes, at least. I know the Michigan economy is in the toilet. Winning that much, would have entitled her, to get an education, move out of Michigan, she has so many choices. Which did she take?....WELFARE RECIPIENT! Yes, that speaketh well of her intelligence.

JAP69's avatarJAP69

"To qualify for food stamps, recipients must have income below a threshold. The state last year put in place asset tests for those on welfare and food stamps."

________________________

Many states do have asset tests for recipients. Nothing wrong with that.

Poke

Maybe they should do away with food stamps and other assistance and use these fema camps as poor houses. Just like they had poor houses prior to the new deal programs and programs that followed.

Maybe we can get Pres O to run the $$$$$ numbers on it. Maybe he has it planned for his second term.

NightStalker's avatarNightStalker

Quote: Originally posted by louise black on Mar 8, 2012

I Agree! For all  those that keep saying the get goverment out my life ,they are sure happy to make this woman give back the lousy 200 dollar a month benefit from DHS which is hardly enough a month for two kids and herself,that a none issue . Technically she and her kids will never eat that in food that she paid in taxes. Who the hell! do this Rep.Zorn is to say people will have to cross reference a 1,000 dollar will never happen. You cut  your nose off inspite of your face group,can truly say that a person paying all  that tax to the government don't need to get some parts of her money back. How about this she pay back all the food stamps amount she receive and don't pay the taxes to the State and the Feds. No NoCussing Face  If you don't agree with this accessment then you are picking and choosing your "GOVERNMENT OUT MY LIFE BS" Hypocrites.Angry

This woman now has over $200,000 in the bank.  Please explain to me how she still deserves this "lousy $200 a month"?  I work 50+ hours a week and I don't have $2,000 in the bank.  Now she has two houses.  I only have one.  She bought a new car.  Mine is almost 10 years old.  I deserve that money more than she does at this point, but I wouldn't take it.

How long have you been on the government dole?  It's obvious by the statements you make because anyone with job and pride doesn't make these kind of non-sensical statements.

Amanda Clayton needs to be pushed into the real world where people work 40 or more hours a week and need to keep every penny they earn and so do you.

You and Clayton have benefitted from hard working people who pay taxes and yet you still complain?  Unbelievable.

CajunWin4's avatarCajunWin4

They should make here pay back all the benfits .....

winwi5

What people don't understand is if you get any type of government assitance it is based on your income just because you win the lottery does not mean this is income to the agency this is considered a gift. Their is a process that even the government has to abide by which they cannot cut off her assitance immediately it takes about 90 days. I don't feel like she is doing anything wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if her baby daddy called in on her because he wants money but she is struggling with 2 kids. People let's be real once you purchase a house and a car that is most of your money right their.

There are alot of mean, spirited jealous people in the world if you notify the agency and they do not cut it off you are not wrong. i remember reading a story recently where a guy in england who won over $30 million dollars in the lottery and he was collecting his retirement and everyone in his community thought he was wrong. People think just because you win the lottery you forget about your life before the win no this guy worked for 30yrs and was entitled to his money. There are so many jealous and envious people in this world her family member was jealous because they didn't get any of the money so they turn to the news and expose her. That lottery win was amanda clayton's blessing from god.  No cousin, no aunt, or no uncle would make me give them if she is struggling with two kids to make ends meet where were the relatives before the win.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by rdgrnr on Mar 8, 2012

Louise, about 46 million people are part of Obama's Food Stamp Nation and about 57% of them are white. 

So what's all this nonsense about KKK and inter-racial this and 357 that and all that mess?

We have a Food Stamp President and it has nothing to do with race.

So let's work together to stop the hate and spread the love.

And I don't want you drinking that wine this early now, Miss Louise.

Ridge , I will say you maybe a few things .But I have to say you crack me up!! For crying out loud man ! take your humor on the road.Green laughHowever I wish I was Louise White at this day and time.

sandia's avatarsandia

Quote: Originally posted by winwi5 on Mar 8, 2012

What people don't understand is if you get any type of government assitance it is based on your income just because you win the lottery does not mean this is income to the agency this is considered a gift. Their is a process that even the government has to abide by which they cannot cut off her assitance immediately it takes about 90 days. I don't feel like she is doing anything wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if her baby daddy called in on her because he wants money but she is struggling with 2 kids. People let's be real once you purchase a house and a car that is most of your money right their.

There are alot of mean, spirited jealous people in the world if you notify the agency and they do not cut it off you are not wrong. i remember reading a story recently where a guy in england who won over $30 million dollars in the lottery and he was collecting his retirement and everyone in his community thought he was wrong. People think just because you win the lottery you forget about your life before the win no this guy worked for 30yrs and was entitled to his money. There are so many jealous and envious people in this world her family member was jealous because they didn't get any of the money so they turn to the news and expose her. That lottery win was amanda clayton's blessing from god.  No cousin, no aunt, or no uncle would make me give them if she is struggling with two kids to make ends meet where were the relatives before the win.

 Allow me, if you will to point out a major difference. You see, the gentleman in England, worked earnestly for 30 years as such, he is entitled to his retirement. The man, worked hard. Now, Ms. Clayton, says she does not work, she is but 24 years old, she has so many opportunities for herself, she is young. She could go back to school, it is never too late for that, invest, open a business with an advice of a reputable financial analyst. I will tell you this; an elderly winner, who has worked hard, sees a lottery win to finally bow out of the rat race after so many years put in it and maybe, helping younger family members. A young woman like her, is too young, too able bodied to be relying on welfare, for GOD's sake. Our youth is meant to be productive not a generation of "I did not work for it but still, I deserve it". She defied the odds of winning the lottery, do you know how much more respected she would have been if she saw this gift and decided to invest it wisely? Would that have been such a bad idea? I repeat, just because she can, does not mean that she should collect. I don't know about you but at 24, I had some pride and decency and worked extremely hard not to end up on government benefits and be demeaned for it!
 

  My $0.02.

faber98

Quote: Originally posted by CajunWin4 on Mar 8, 2012

They should make here pay back all the benfits .....

how far back. certainly not before she won that 1m. she's seems to be spending it as fast as she can so she will end back up on food stamps anyway. so why make her go through all the trouble of re-applying in say fall of 2014 when she is clean. she at least bought a house and car (why she needs 2 houses i don't know) since she paid out so much in taxes let her keep the food stamps. who cares anyway. the govt. will just waste it somewhere else on something like a make believe trip to the moon again or another made for tv war. stop picking on her, she didn't win that much. the posters on here sneer at 1m. you all want the big 200m+ or you won't even buy a ticket. at least she was smart enough to play for a lower prize.

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by CDanaT on Mar 8, 2012

Hey Louise....FYI, the is no such critter as a 357MM  No No......the .357  is the size of the diameter of a particular bullet in inches. To convert that to MM it would equal 9.01MM in diameter. There is a 357 S&W Mag(made in the 1930s)  which is the gun was made to shoot that round(.357)  which was derived from the .38 .......  The 9MM is a bullet that is close in size at .355 inches...Hope that helps. Glad to be of service See Ya!

No! need to try to clue me in on guns , i knew what I was saying I was in the Army Rotc ,I could assemble a M16 and dismantle it also I know enough with my little saturday night special it has pink handle.Wow! it will get the job done if needed.

Littleoldlady's avatarLittleoldlady

The only thing I am going to say is that she had better be glad she was a resident of Michigan when she won it.  I don't have any pity for "welfare cheats".  It just makes the rest of us pay more in taxes.  She is 24 and can go back to school, get a decent education and be somebody.  instead, she has that "government freebie" disease.  She has 2 children, she should get off her sorry A&&, get a good education and  get a job.

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by sandia on Mar 8, 2012

 Allow me, if you will to point out a major difference. You see, the gentleman in England, worked earnestly for 30 years as such, he is entitled to his retirement. The man, worked hard. Now, Ms. Clayton, says she does not work, she is but 24 years old, she has so many opportunities for herself, she is young. She could go back to school, it is never too late for that, invest, open a business with an advice of a reputable financial analyst. I will tell you this; an elderly winner, who has worked hard, sees a lottery win to finally bow out of the rat race after so many years put in it and maybe, helping younger family members. A young woman like her, is too young, too able bodied to be relying on welfare, for GOD's sake. Our youth is meant to be productive not a generation of "I did not work for it but still, I deserve it". She defied the odds of winning the lottery, do you know how much more respected she would have been if she saw this gift and decided to invest it wisely? Would that have been such a bad idea? I repeat, just because she can, does not mean that she should collect. I don't know about you but at 24, I had some pride and decency and worked extremely hard not to end up on government benefits and be demeaned for it!
 

  My $0.02.

   same point i was thinking,you made it better than i could have,thanks

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by Littleoldlady on Mar 8, 2012

The only thing I am going to say is that she had better be glad she was a resident of Michigan when she won it.  I don't have any pity for "welfare cheats".  It just makes the rest of us pay more in taxes.  She is 24 and can go back to school, get a decent education and be somebody.  instead, she has that "government freebie" disease.  She has 2 children, she should get off her sorry A&&, get a good education and  get a job.

If you  people live in the South don't even speak about people having a safety net or " WELFARE" this you poor soul know nothing of.No No Beside what with you people who claim that you have so much trouble with people getting assistance.Just live and  let live ,take of your own business and don't worry about the chump change these people get. For"GOD SAKE" stop listening to one side BS on right wing wacko radio. I worked all my life  and sometime two jobs and never said anything  about the ones who got assistance.Oh! My father and mother was the hardest working of their time. My father did a lot of odd jobs to feed his family and we survive  hard time.So before any of you think my family was a welfare case. I think not just hard working people raising a big family in rural America.

Bigheadnick's avatarBigheadnick

Quote: Originally posted by GASMETERGUY on Mar 8, 2012

Your reasoning is a bit convoluted.  This woman is not "getting her own money back".  She is gaming the system; pure and simple.

If food stamps was nothing more than getting your own money back, then I qualify for food stamps as would anyone else paying taxes.

But what really bothers me about this story is the fact the state had no mechanism for removing people from welfare when their situation changes.  This woman's situation changed but she did not.  She continued receiving food stamps.  Only when brought to the attention of the entire country was something done and that required a new law.

Bravo Hurray! my thoughts exactly

weshar75's avatarweshar75

I would rent one of the houses out for income since she has two of them.  Just my two cents!-weshar75

haymaker's avatarhaymaker

Quote: Originally posted by GASMETERGUY on Mar 8, 2012

Your reasoning is a bit convoluted.  This woman is not "getting her own money back".  She is gaming the system; pure and simple.

If food stamps was nothing more than getting your own money back, then I qualify for food stamps as would anyone else paying taxes.

But what really bothers me about this story is the fact the state had no mechanism for removing people from welfare when their situation changes.  This woman's situation changed but she did not.  She continued receiving food stamps.  Only when brought to the attention of the entire country was something done and that required a new law.

  exactamundo !

Cletu$2's avatarCletu$2

This young lady is very lucky that she doesn't live in Iowa.When you win a lottery over $600 they check your record to see if you owe anybody.If you do,that amount will be deducted from your winnings as well as 25% for federal taxes and 5% for state taxes.They consider food stamps and welfare payments as money being owed to the state.If your children were born while you were on welfare,they will deduct the hospital bill from your winnings.If you owe back taxes,they will deduct those,too.In Iowa there are no free rides.The state will help you out if you need it,but expect you to pay it back if you suddenly come into money.Seems pretty fair to me!

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by NightStalker on Mar 8, 2012

This woman now has over $200,000 in the bank.  Please explain to me how she still deserves this "lousy $200 a month"?  I work 50+ hours a week and I don't have $2,000 in the bank.  Now she has two houses.  I only have one.  She bought a new car.  Mine is almost 10 years old.  I deserve that money more than she does at this point, but I wouldn't take it.

How long have you been on the government dole?  It's obvious by the statements you make because anyone with job and pride doesn't make these kind of non-sensical statements.

Amanda Clayton needs to be pushed into the real world where people work 40 or more hours a week and need to keep every penny they earn and so do you.

You and Clayton have benefitted from hard working people who pay taxes and yet you still complain?  Unbelievable.

FYI Stalker of night, how long have you been on welfare that anwser you d@M question on me.How!! darn you to try to stigmatize me because I have compassion for the poor and after all that could happen to me, I will be the poor soon since the middle class are ceaseing to exist. So get a life and live and let live.Cussing FaceCussing Face

louise black

Quote: Originally posted by sandia on Mar 8, 2012

 Really? Sully works in a grocery store and I bet, she is not skipping to work everyday but is doing what she can to take care of her family. That, my dear is an epitome of a hardworker who is willing to make a honest living. Not everybody is blessed with a 7 figure job or, a bailout or willing to get any assistance! She is not complaining about the race of this misguided child but, she is complaining about the ACTIONS OF SOME UNDESERVING, welfare recipients! Please, discard using such non-delineating words and accusations, it does not behoove well of a civilized individual.Unhappy

You people all think the same . What! is this a Conservative,Tea party, Republican site where your trying to limit my 1st amendment right all this wild and crazy things being said on this site, you think if your Liberal ,Moderate,  Progress or Democrat you shouldn't speak,Well wishful thinking unless we are ban,My question to you do you know civilized people, have you read the person your defending blogs I beg the differ.You have a good day Mam!

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Quote: Originally posted by dpoly1 on Mar 8, 2012

I am sure that some people would take exception to my keeping my disability benefits if I won a large jackpot, but I worked for 30 years to earn those benefits!

 

I know that this is off subject, but there was a $60,000,000 Powerball Winner in Rhode Island last nite!

Here come the conspiracy freaks!  Crazy  Crying  Sad Cheers

You're right, dpoly, not one ticket sold in Rhode Island has won the Powerball jackpot in over 4 years and 2 months.  Now the Powerball jackpot was won by tickets purchased in Rhode Island TWICE -- in a span of 4 weeks! Congratulations you two Powerball jackpot winning ticket holders.

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I bet the chronic Rhode Island Powerball lottery players were beginning to grow weary.  I wonder if now Powerball ticket purchases in Rhode Island will fall off BIG TIME for apx. 4 years! What?

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