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Littleoldlady's avatar - basket
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Posted: March 8, 2012, 9:34 pm - IP Logged

If you  people live in the South don't even speak about people having a safety net or " WELFARE" this you poor soul know nothing of.No No Beside what with you people who claim that you have so much trouble with people getting assistance.Just live and  let live ,take of your own business and don't worry about the chump change these people get. For"GOD SAKE" stop listening to one side BS on right wing wacko radio. I worked all my life  and sometime two jobs and never said anything  about the ones who got assistance.Oh! My father and mother was the hardest working of their time. My father did a lot of odd jobs to feed his family and we survive  hard time.So before any of you think my family was a welfare case. I think not just hard working people raising a big family in rural America.

I have no problem with people getting assistance.  It is just that they should not be able to get it for ALL of their lives.  At some point in time, they need to do something for themselves.  In this state, they get 4-5 years and after that, they need to get off their behinds and go to work.  The state will even send them to school for free and help them to get a job.  They can take college courses for a degree or they can do vocational for a trained skill.  The state will continue them on assistance as long as they are trying to do something positive for themselves.  If they quit, their asistance stops. There are no more excuses.

If you know your number is going to hit, have patience and then KILL IT!

You never know when you will get another hit.

    sandia's avatar - disney24
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    You people all think the same . What! is this a Conservative,Tea party, Republican site where your trying to limit my 1st amendment right all this wild and crazy things being said on this site, you think if your Liberal ,Moderate,  Progress or Democrat you shouldn't speak,Well wishful thinking unless we are ban,My question to you do you know civilized people, have you read the person your defending blogs I beg the differ.You have a good day Mam!

     Dear sir,

       I have for the most part of my life, been a liberal. I disagreed on a few things with them though, I am all for assistance to those who truly need it, unfortunately, it is not utopia where every one gets the same, The Animal Farm  by George Orwell ."All animals are equal."  In my youth, I was like Snowball, all animals are equal. It is afterall, the idea that you contribute to the society and seen through a productive periscope. Some say, we have become more like Napoleon from the book, "All animals are  created equal but, some are created more equal than others."

       My rant in the above paragraph, states the society we have become. The question is, does she really need the "measly $200"? She had a head start, I do not know about you, but it boils down to self respect. Maybe some see it as a wonderful thing to flash their welfare status but many I reckon, do not. You are right, her getting $200, does not affect most people, it just begs to question, where your self respect lays....."I am unemployed, I have no job, I have bills to pay and I have 2 houses." Please Louis, tell me, why did she bother to play the lottery if she refuses to get out of such a mentality? She won, she is in a different class economically. If she has no bloody pride, how about her kids? It boils down to pride and self respect. I believe once you can escape from poverty by moving up, economically, you do not go back in there to degrade yourself. I am not attacking you based on your political affiliation, I could care less, it is your right to speak and have a political leaning, I am just pointing out the flaw in your arguement that she has a right, a right she might have but class, I guess she lacks.

       Do you see my point at all?

      JAP69's avatar - alas
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      Posted: March 8, 2012, 11:16 pm - IP Logged

      With the amount of money she won and with no job and if she intends not to get one lets check in a few years from now and see if she has any money left.

      Probably went thru a sizeable amount already.

      MAGA

        sandia's avatar - disney24
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        You people all think the same . What! is this a Conservative,Tea party, Republican site where your trying to limit my 1st amendment right all this wild and crazy things being said on this site, you think if your Liberal ,Moderate,  Progress or Democrat you shouldn't speak,Well wishful thinking unless we are ban,My question to you do you know civilized people, have you read the person your defending blogs I beg the differ.You have a good day Mam!

         Louise, I disagree with many posters on here, I do not agree with their opinions, be it political, religious, racial or otherwise. I do however, tend to pick on a few posts which, no matter where you stand on various issues, there is a common stand point on issues which are just questioned. I might not agree with all of Sully's opinions but some, I do ponder upon. Everybody tends to make sense one way or the other but in case you haven't noticed, a lot of people here were complaining about her lackluster care for how she presented herself on WHY she deserves and collects assistance. The woman has opportunities at her feet. The economy of Michigan is downtrotten, I bet the real estate is nothing to sing about so, she might have bought a house at a relatively non-steep price. She has 2 houses, and bought a new car. I might have read somewhere that she went on a crazy shopping spree, NOW she states that she has bills to pay. Where in the world were those bills, when she went berzerk? She might have paid a lot in taxes from the lottery, remember though, it was more money  that she had the morning before she won, you know?  It isn't money earned, she should have taken the money and kept her dignity by re-establishing herself financially, she did not hence, the insults coming her way.Why make a spectacle out of herself? Why?

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          Posted: March 8, 2012, 11:22 pm - IP Logged

          You people all think the same . What! is this a Conservative,Tea party, Republican site where your trying to limit my 1st amendment right all this wild and crazy things being said on this site, you think if your Liberal ,Moderate,  Progress or Democrat you shouldn't speak,Well wishful thinking unless we are ban,My question to you do you know civilized people, have you read the person your defending blogs I beg the differ.You have a good day Mam!

          Louise, nobody here is limiting your free speech but the conservatives are pointing out the difference between morally/legally right and wrong with this lottery winner. While we are a nation of giving, we are a nation of laws. This country was created by hard working people that were sick and tired of a overbearing "tax happy motherland" along with other issues. A group of  leaders made a few documents(Bill of Rights and the Constitution) that is 2nd to none in my opinion.
                 While we weren't perfect in the beginning( or even now) we were responsible for our actions. Our country became what it is because of our spirit to defend freedom, work hard, have morals and ethics(although a number of folks don't today). We have given our lives in the defense of being a truly free society by entering WW1, WW2,Korea, Vietnam, and the latest Middle East War. America is where people flock to for opportunity more than any other country in the world. Freedom of speech, religion, choice of residence and earning a living. While we offer all those things, we also demand compliance. When you carelessly, recklessly or intentionally try to circumvent our system, there are consequences.
              The USA is a center right country according to numerous independent reports. That's just the way it is ....If we weren't, then we would going left, down the progressive/liberal/ democrat dependency on the Government scenario. Similar to Socialism.
              The majority of members(on this site from what I have seen) believe in personal responsibility, integrity and contributing to society. We don't want to occupy Wall St, have the government control what we drive for cars, pay for those who cheat,steal or destroy, recklessly outspend their budget limits and continue to put our nation in debt every year by trillions of dollars. Enough is enough. GREECE is a liberal society and now you can see how that is working. Someone is is bailing them out.
              What the conservative Republicans want is for American citizens to be hard working RESPONSIBLE Americans again, who survive on their own in the face of adversity.
            Some listen to Rush L. ( I dont and never have) The radio for me, is for Music and Hurricane updates....Do I know civilized people ? Oh sure, many on both sides of that fence, met some and arrested some during my 17 year career field....
             Please keep these 2 thoughts in mind...."All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" ..." The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not"...Sorry for the long winded reply...good luck with your lottery purchases Patriot

          Stay Positive, Believe and good things will come your way

            JAP69's avatar - alas
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            Posted: March 9, 2012, 12:15 am - IP Logged

            We may get into a snit with one another around here on this and that but we have a common bond around here.

            The lottery. Big Grin

            MAGA

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              Posted: March 9, 2012, 12:27 am - IP Logged

              We may get into a snit with one another around here on this and that but we have a common bond around here.

              The lottery. Big Grin

              Amen JAP69.....case has been rectified.....so onward an upward.....Time to win the MM. I could certainly make do with that lil jackpot !!!!

              Stay Positive, Believe and good things will come your way

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                Posted: March 9, 2012, 4:40 am - IP Logged

                Re: SHE PAID MASSIVE TAXES,

                How long had she been on food stamps and without income?

                If she's on food stamps and with no reportable income, that would imply she hasn't been paying taxes previously.

                Yet she probably uses the 'free' public education system for her kids.
                Probably uses 'free' parks for her kids, maintained by the city.
                Has police, fire and possibly emergency medical services available.
                If she has no income, would probably be going to 'free' clinics for medical services.
                Food stamps = 'free' food for her and her kids, so that she can spend income that she doesn't have on lottery tickets.
                Are the streets near her paved, and are there working signals?

                I don't know if you realize it, but these actually aren't 'free'.
                They're paid for by taxes.

                That $250,000 she paid, isn't for her to use as a personal bank account that she can withdraw food stamps from.
                And it's good that she did win, and had to pay it - now she has actually paid for all these services she has available, and uses, and sounds like she doesn't have plans to pay for in the future, either.

                I'm 48 yo, and been working since I was 15 - 33 years. I'm not rich, nor poor, have a decent job, and pay roughly $15,000 taxes yearly - state and fed. So, I'd say that $250,000 she paid has her covered for all the 'free' services that taxpayers pay for for about 16 years.
                But I don't have anywhere close to half million in the bank, and nobody is paying for my food.

                How much does $250,000 cover in 'free' services?
                Maybe 1/2 dozen people for a year to handle all those 'free' services she has available and the administration aspects to keep them working. Orgs don't run well without secretaries, principals, etc... also, unless you believe in some funky kind of chaos theory.

                Maybe she should spend some of that half million on some babysitters, and go back to school to get herself educated, if she isn't already. Because once her 16 tax-paid years are up, taxpayers are again paying for her life, and she'll probably again be struggling with no money.

                If she'd prefer just to live off the govt, she may be better off going to somewhere like North Korea, or committing a crime in the US so she gets put in jail for many years. Both will give her what she needs to live. The govt will take good care of her, also at taxpayer expense.

                But since this is a site on lottery... I wonder how many lottery tickets she bought with that half mil. Just think of the wheels she could do. She could win the $150 mil on megamillions without breaking a sweat. That's a lot of bubbles to bubble, though.

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                  Re: SHE PAID MASSIVE TAXES,

                  How long had she been on food stamps and without income?

                  If she's on food stamps and with no reportable income, that would imply she hasn't been paying taxes previously.

                  Yet she probably uses the 'free' public education system for her kids.
                  Probably uses 'free' parks for her kids, maintained by the city.
                  Has police, fire and possibly emergency medical services available.
                  If she has no income, would probably be going to 'free' clinics for medical services.
                  Food stamps = 'free' food for her and her kids, so that she can spend income that she doesn't have on lottery tickets.
                  Are the streets near her paved, and are there working signals?

                  I don't know if you realize it, but these actually aren't 'free'.
                  They're paid for by taxes.

                  That $250,000 she paid, isn't for her to use as a personal bank account that she can withdraw food stamps from.
                  And it's good that she did win, and had to pay it - now she has actually paid for all these services she has available, and uses, and sounds like she doesn't have plans to pay for in the future, either.

                  I'm 48 yo, and been working since I was 15 - 33 years. I'm not rich, nor poor, have a decent job, and pay roughly $15,000 taxes yearly - state and fed. So, I'd say that $250,000 she paid has her covered for all the 'free' services that taxpayers pay for for about 16 years.
                  But I don't have anywhere close to half million in the bank, and nobody is paying for my food.

                  How much does $250,000 cover in 'free' services?
                  Maybe 1/2 dozen people for a year to handle all those 'free' services she has available and the administration aspects to keep them working. Orgs don't run well without secretaries, principals, etc... also, unless you believe in some funky kind of chaos theory.

                  Maybe she should spend some of that half million on some babysitters, and go back to school to get herself educated, if she isn't already. Because once her 16 tax-paid years are up, taxpayers are again paying for her life, and she'll probably again be struggling with no money.

                  If she'd prefer just to live off the govt, she may be better off going to somewhere like North Korea, or committing a crime in the US so she gets put in jail for many years. Both will give her what she needs to live. The govt will take good care of her, also at taxpayer expense.

                  But since this is a site on lottery... I wonder how many lottery tickets she bought with that half mil. Just think of the wheels she could do. She could win the $150 mil on megamillions without breaking a sweat. That's a lot of bubbles to bubble, though.

                  Best 1st post I have ever seen, welcome to Lottery Post, way to BUST into a subject!! Look forward to seeing more of your posts.

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                    If you  people live in the South don't even speak about people having a safety net or " WELFARE" this you poor soul know nothing of.No No Beside what with you people who claim that you have so much trouble with people getting assistance.Just live and  let live ,take of your own business and don't worry about the chump change these people get. For"GOD SAKE" stop listening to one side BS on right wing wacko radio. I worked all my life  and sometime two jobs and never said anything  about the ones who got assistance.Oh! My father and mother was the hardest working of their time. My father did a lot of odd jobs to feed his family and we survive  hard time.So before any of you think my family was a welfare case. I think not just hard working people raising a big family in rural America.

                    Great post. There are more people getting food stamps and other assistance than ever before and it's not because they don't want to work. This what I'm trying to figure out about some on here.  Okay, if you're against people who refuse to work. I get that. But if you're against people getting assistance period no matter much they need it. I don't get that. In a perfect world everyone on earth would be rich, but this is the real world and it has never been perfect. If my family wins tonight's MMs jackpot, our hard working days will be over forever.Disney

                    I also have to remember that there are many who hate the rich, too. So you go from being hated because you're poor to be hated because you're rich.US Flag

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                      Exuse ! but you need another job, if i do say so.  So you don't go postal one day! It like hearing to a KKK member who's looking at an interacial couple this goes on and on. When will you and your rants about food stamp people stop! Once you take your 357MM to work with you then it will be too late for people who are minding their own business. ( you are one to watch).Crazy Mad

                      Your right weezy, I do need another job, KKK AND GOING POSTAL...not hardly. Stop with the racism, theres nothing in anything I have said that points to the racism your trying to make exist.

                      I need to stop talking about the broken welfare program ? Seems to me you feel I don't have the same rights as you, since our opinions differ.

                      I will never stop telling people about the broken system, and the crap that goes on, but thats what your afraid of, me speaking up about the abuse.

                      A couple weeks ago, we had a mother and her 2 kids shopping with her bridge card, she bought her normal groceries, and almost 200 dollars worth of Hershey fundraising candy, had the audacity to ask if her kids could stand outside and sell the candy while she went and got her nails done, she said and I quote

                      " I DON'T WANT MY KIDS TO BREATHE IN THE CHEMICALS "

                      WOW ! IS SHE A GOOD MOM OR WHAT ? Doesn't want her kids to breathe in the chemicals, instead, she'll have them stand outside in the dark with cold wind blowing left all alone, to sell the candy she bought with foodstamps.

                      She is selfish and stupid, when you have kids, THEIR WELFARE COMES FIRST !!!!

                      This is the stupid sh*t that bothers me. Parents who put their wants and needs first can go straight to hell.

                      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                      For a lead role in a cage?

                       

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                         Allow me, if you will to point out a major difference. You see, the gentleman in England, worked earnestly for 30 years as such, he is entitled to his retirement. The man, worked hard. Now, Ms. Clayton, says she does not work, she is but 24 years old, she has so many opportunities for herself, she is young. She could go back to school, it is never too late for that, invest, open a business with an advice of a reputable financial analyst. I will tell you this; an elderly winner, who has worked hard, sees a lottery win to finally bow out of the rat race after so many years put in it and maybe, helping younger family members. A young woman like her, is too young, too able bodied to be relying on welfare, for GOD's sake. Our youth is meant to be productive not a generation of "I did not work for it but still, I deserve it". She defied the odds of winning the lottery, do you know how much more respected she would have been if she saw this gift and decided to invest it wisely? Would that have been such a bad idea? I repeat, just because she can, does not mean that she should collect. I don't know about you but at 24, I had some pride and decency and worked extremely hard not to end up on government benefits and be demeaned for it!
                         

                          My $0.02.

                        I Agree! 

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                          Posted: March 9, 2012, 10:21 am - IP Logged

                          Her mistake was she took a lump sum and not payments...Live and learn..She should live on a budget now but at her being so young that will be hard....

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                            She won a $1 million, which is nothing to sneeze at, but do all states offer 20+ year annuities on that little a winning?    What?

                            I'm pretty sure that if you score a second prize for Powerball ($1 million), they do not offer an annuity, it must be paid as a lump sum.

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                              She won a $1 million, which is nothing to sneeze at, but do all states offer 20+ year annuities on that little a winning?    What?

                              I'm pretty sure that if you score a second prize for Powerball ($1 million), they do not offer an annuity, it must be paid as a lump sum.

                              Mac,
                                    Hers was a second chance drawing and with their economy up there, I would REASONABLY lean towards their lotto giving the lump sump(for less). Don't know for sure, just making an educated guess.
                                As far as Florida is concerned, all of our Million dollar scratch off tix & Mega Money is over 20 payments/cash lump sum, FL Lotto & Powerball is at 30 payments/cash lump sum, the $2 million(2nd place) winner on the powerball gets a 1 time lump sum NO annuity option.

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