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Arkansas woman loses bid for $1M lottery ticket picked from trash

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Posted: May 1, 2012, 11:58 pm - IP Logged

Well we have the judge and law for a reason to settle disputes .sometimes its fare sometimes its not but its good we live in usa where we have that option to gamble and win. If the law was perfect maybe oj simpson won't have been aquited the first time but he was convicted the second time so its karmer.so where ever there is a dispute the law has no choice but to attempt to find the original owner and that's what happened here. If the law could not find the original owner then the lady that found it can keep it. What I think is the problem is that people should not be allowed to buy lottery tickets or scratch off with out scanning there driver id card into the lottery data machine they bought it from. This way even old people with bad memories will get paid when they forget they bought a ticket or get scammed by fraudulent local lottery retailers in bahamas now enjoying wine coolers on the beach. Lol

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    Posted: May 2, 2012, 12:07 am - IP Logged

    Doesn't matter, she threw it away which is also on camera. The NEW BEARER of the ticket actually CLAIMED IT. End of story.


    L.L.

    It mattered to someone. Razz

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      Lucky Loser's avatar - bucks
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      Posted: May 2, 2012, 12:08 am - IP Logged

      LL,   

      Ridge, Sully and I agree that the Judge was wrong by awarding Ms. Duncan the winnings.  I feel if Mrs. Jones(the lady that found the ticket) loses her appeal Ms. Duncan(the lady that threw the ticket away) should do the right thing and split it with the lady that found the ticket.  If it wasn't for Mrs. Jones the ticket would still be in the trash.

      I agree with you on most of this, okay. However, if Ms. Duncan wasn't thorough enough to validate the ticket, and, went on to throw it away, then she should get nothing!!! We're talking about a medium of exchange here. I wonder how many times she's been either over charged or short changed, and, never caught it?? Is the judge gonna rule on this as well?? Let's say a person has a pocket full of paper and/or receipts, and, while passing a trash can decides to empty their pockets which also contains a $100 bill in the midst. Now, a bum comes along checking the trash can and finds the $100...who's at fault here?

      It's the bum's lucky day!!!!! Finders keepers losers weepers!!! I suppose that if a person was visiting from another state came along and found this ticket to be a winner, the same scenario would be at hand. Now, how wrong is this? Ms. Duncan should be an example on why to completely and thoroughly check your ticket(s) before discarding it(them). Period.


      L.L.

        LottoMomma's avatar - strawberry
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        Posted: May 2, 2012, 12:21 am - IP Logged

        Okay.. what I don't get here.. is how many tickets were in the bin?  What is the chance the lady who threw the ticket away knew it was HER ticket the other gal cashed. Does she remember those numbers on the ticket were specifically her numbers on that ticket. And again if it was HER ticket why didn't she sign it before she threw it away so she could lay claim to HER ticket in case it ended being a winner? 

        And then when you scan a ticket and it says not a winner.. generally it's not a winner.   Let's face it.. how many lottery machines have you seen that lie?  I haven't least they are never in my favor! LOL

        If it is a BIG win like a million dollars it generally says "unable to process.. see lottery attendant". So, what got missed here. I think the lady who threw the ticket away is trying to lay claim to a ticket that probably wasn't hers to begin win otherwise it wouldn't have said it wasn't a winner.. which it probably WAS NOT A WINNER.  Am I missing something here or is possible to judge is married to the lady who threw the ticket away! LOL

        Come on.. it's in the trash, it's not signed and if some person is savvy to seek out trash for a lucky missed ticket.. cudos to them!  Like someone else said... finders keepers, losers wheepers!  Let the lady have her ticket, she found it, she laid claim to it.. it's hers in my eyes! 

        Where do we get these judges anymore anyway.. out of a cereal box?  They are dumber than a box of rocks sometimes.  Whatever happened to common sense?

        God help us!

         

        LottoMomma

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          Posted: May 2, 2012, 12:29 am - IP Logged

          Okay.. what I don't get here.. is how many tickets were in the bin?  What is the chance the lady who threw the ticket away knew it was HER ticket the other gal cashed. Does she remember those numbers on the ticket were specifically her numbers on that ticket. And again if it was HER ticket why didn't she sign it before she threw it away so she could lay claim to HER ticket in case it ended being a winner? 

          And then when you scan a ticket and it says not a winner.. generally it's not a winner.   Let's face it.. how many lottery machines have you seen that lie?  I haven't least they are never in my favor! LOL

          If it is a BIG win like a million dollars it generally says "unable to process.. see lottery attendant". So, what got missed here. I think the lady who threw the ticket away is trying to lay claim to a ticket that probably wasn't hers to begin win otherwise it wouldn't have said it wasn't a winner.. which it probably WAS NOT A WINNER.  Am I missing something here or is possible to judge is married to the lady who threw the ticket away! LOL

          Come on.. it's in the trash, it's not signed and if some person is savvy to seek out trash for a lucky missed ticket.. cudos to them!  Like someone else said... finders keepers, losers wheepers!  Let the lady have her ticket, she found it, she laid claim to it.. it's hers in my eyes! 

          Where do we get these judges anymore anyway.. out of a cereal box?  They are dumber than a box of rocks sometimes.  Whatever happened to common sense?

          God help us!

           

          LottoMomma

          Keep preachin', babe!!! Soooo many variables here to consider regarding this ticket. In the end, though, the finder should not be penalized in any shape, form, or fashion. I also wonder if there's something more interpersonal going on....


          L.L.

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            Posted: May 2, 2012, 12:47 am - IP Logged

             As someone who regularly checks the trash bins for tickets whenever I buy them , this decision bothers me. I just hope this judgement doesnt become the norm in these cases. Duncan would have never known she threw away a winner if Jones didn't find it. And I though the burden of proof was supposed to be on the person bringing the case to court not Jones. The judge got it all backwards. This is in complete contrast to the case whith the guy who found a million dollar texas holdem ticket in the trash at a white hen pantry. The guy who thrrew it away in that case lost. So wheres the consistancy with these judgements?

            Scratchies for the win!

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              Posted: May 2, 2012, 12:49 am - IP Logged

              For the judge to make this decision , I can almost garantee he knows someone in the suiing party or knows someone who knows them. It relly is rediculous.

              Scratchies for the win!

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                Posted: May 2, 2012, 1:08 am - IP Logged

                Well we have the judge and law for a reason to settle disputes .sometimes its fare sometimes its not but its good we live in usa where we have that option to gamble and win. If the law was perfect maybe oj simpson won't have been aquited the first time but he was convicted the second time so its karmer.so where ever there is a dispute the law has no choice but to attempt to find the original owner and that's what happened here. If the law could not find the original owner then the lady that found it can keep it. What I think is the problem is that people should not be allowed to buy lottery tickets or scratch off with out scanning there driver id card into the lottery data machine they bought it from. This way even old people with bad memories will get paid when they forget they bought a ticket or get scammed by fraudulent local lottery retailers in bahamas now enjoying wine coolers on the beach. Lol

                This also reminds me why doesn't the lottery have a reward card like the casinos or publix super market or win dixie super markets this way regular players like me can enter name address and get points to buy free future lottery tickets and scratch offs well am not asking for free beer that will be going too far but worth trying to get big roller players like me.lol

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                   As someone who regularly checks the trash bins for tickets whenever I buy them , this decision bothers me. I just hope this judgement doesnt become the norm in these cases. Duncan would have never known she threw away a winner if Jones didn't find it. And I though the burden of proof was supposed to be on the person bringing the case to court not Jones. The judge got it all backwards. This is in complete contrast to the case whith the guy who found a million dollar texas holdem ticket in the trash at a white hen pantry. The guy who thrrew it away in that case lost. So wheres the consistancy with these judgements?

                  "Consistancy"? ROFL

                  Would you like "fairness" with that? Green laughGreen laugh

                  Thing is, she found/won too much and claimed too soon for the prize award to go unchallenged.

                  Find a couple hundred in the trash, fine, congrats to you, here's your cash.

                  Find big money, you're gonna jump through some hoops, first. They may even check & see if your baby-mama got a claim against you. Smash

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                    Posted: May 2, 2012, 6:11 am - IP Logged

                    Thank God for Appeals.  Sometimes the Judge gets it WRONG!  As in this case!  That is just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

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                      Thank God for Appeals.  Sometimes the Judge gets it WRONG!  As in this case!  That is just wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong!!!

                      Does that mean she will get a different Judge the next time around?

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                        Naw, I have to disagree with EVERYBODY HERE. Why? Possession is 90% of the law...and in this case, just because someone threw away a winning ticket due to not checking it thoroughly, the person who found it and checked shouldn't be stripped of the winnings!!!!! This is total and complete BULLSH*T!!!! I can promise you that if it involved a prize of $50 on a scratch-off, there would be absolutely no issues!!!! However, because this woman wasn't thorough enough to make sure her ticket wasn't a winner, the judge now wants to penalize THE SMART PERSON THAT ACTUALLY GOES AROUND AND CHECKS DISCARDED TICKETS TO VALIDATE WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE LEGIT WINNERS.

                        Hell, the ticket wasn't even signed!!! So, this means that if I throw away a $1000 scratch-off, and, someone else finds and claims it, I can file an appeal and get it back!!!! How corrupt is this? The bearer of the ticket is suppose to be the winner providing it wasn't stolen etc. Sorry, I totally disagree with this whole scenario...and the judge is wrong for ruling in this manner. It's the person's fault who threw away a winning ticket...not the discoverer's.

                        Amazing......


                        L.L.

                        I agree with you 100%

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                          Posted: May 2, 2012, 8:00 am - IP Logged

                          If it wasnt signed on the back-and apparently it wasnt     No No      then the bearer has the right to the ticket.

                          Law school 101

                          Come on, judge.

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                            The lady who found it should have kept her yapper shut about it.

                            The judge was wrong.

                            I agree rdg.if it been me I would not have said a thing first of all.second I would have about a month or to cash it.as far as them asking about when and where it was purchased.here's my answer: I purchase scratch a lottery tickets from many stores when I travel and I purchase a lot. So I can't remember when and where the ticket was purchased. People love to brag about when they win something ESP to the the press.they just gotta have that 15 minutes of fame.

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                              Posted: May 2, 2012, 8:07 am - IP Logged

                              The lady who found it should have kept her yapper shut about it.

                              The judge was wrong.

                              Your exactly rite , this wouldn't even be a story ,....if she kept the pie whole shut.Now we can kick back and watch the lawyers get the rest of it.Sorta like a fishing story ,you shoulda seen the one that gotta way.

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