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Posted: October 4, 2012, 6:56 pm - IP Logged

Hey grwurston - this is Chip Polston with the KY Lottery. I wanted to clarify the "computerized games" reference in this story. I sat in on the interview yesterday between the reporter and our president and CEO. There was some confusion as to what was meant by that - draw games used to be called online games, and they were given this term before the advent of the Internet (and thus the phrase online took on a whole different meaning). The reference to computer means the tickets are printed from a centralized computer - it does NOT refer to RNG. Both of these games are still drawn the old-fashioned way with balls and machines. Feel free to check out our new draw site that is linked to our main website and you can see our Pick 3 and Pick 4 midday and evening drawings there. Let me know if you have any other questions - thanks!

Chip,

 Thanks for clearing that up. Us lottery players do not like computerized drawings.

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    Posted: October 5, 2012, 11:55 am - IP Logged

    Will the lottery be conducting pre-draws?? If yes, how many?

    Yes - we've always done pre-test drawings. We do five per game before the official drawing. Let me know if you need any more info.

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      Yes - we've always done pre-test drawings. We do five per game before the official drawing. Let me know if you need any more info.

      Why so many? Do you publish the predraw results? If so, where and when? Any chance of getting the rest of the states to

      publish them also?  (Texas does). Preferably before the drawings in time for the players to see what they were. After all,

      you do want the players to win as much as possible right?

      "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

      The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

      Don't just think outside the box, crush it.


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        Why so many? Do you publish the predraw results? If so, where and when? Any chance of getting the rest of the states to

        publish them also?  (Texas does). Preferably before the drawings in time for the players to see what they were. After all,

        you do want the players to win as much as possible right?

        LOL    I'm sure Chip would love to see lottery players winning all the time.

               Of Course he'd be out of a job, but the players would be very happy.  Isn't that what really counts?  Yes Nod


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          Hey grwurston - this is Chip Polston with the KY Lottery. I wanted to clarify the "computerized games" reference in this story. I sat in on the interview yesterday between the reporter and our president and CEO. There was some confusion as to what was meant by that - draw games used to be called online games, and they were given this term before the advent of the Internet (and thus the phrase online took on a whole different meaning). The reference to computer means the tickets are printed from a centralized computer - it does NOT refer to RNG. Both of these games are still drawn the old-fashioned way with balls and machines. Feel free to check out our new draw site that is linked to our main website and you can see our Pick 3 and Pick 4 midday and evening drawings there. Let me know if you have any other questions - thanks!

          Should this be taken to mean that the "centralized computer" does not make use of RNG, but rather systematically uses up all the number combinations for a given game??

          If so does it just start over once it uses all the combinations available??

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            Posted: October 7, 2012, 7:53 pm - IP Logged

            LOL    I'm sure Chip would love to see lottery players winning all the time.

                   Of Course he'd be out of a job, but the players would be very happy.  Isn't that what really counts?  Yes Nod

             I don't see why not. It would be good publicity. Besides, if more people win, then more will play.

            "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

            The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

            Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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              Why so many? Do you publish the predraw results? If so, where and when? Any chance of getting the rest of the states to

              publish them also?  (Texas does). Preferably before the drawings in time for the players to see what they were. After all,

              you do want the players to win as much as possible right?

              Hey grwurston. The industry standard for test draws is between three and five test draws per game. That's how we've done it since 1989. If the same number comes up either four or five times during the pre-test draws we do a retest as statistically that shouldn't happen. If the same number continues to come up we pull that draw set and have it inspected to make sure nothing has happened to it. The results of the test draws are always available by request, but aren't published. There's no time to put them up prior to a drawing.

              And as for wanting players to win as much as possible? The answer there quite honestly is yes. Do we want people to win more than we sell? Of course not -then we're out of business and no one gets to play. On the flip side though, if no one wins or not enough people win then we're also out of business as no one is going to play. It's a fine line. But you hit the nail on the head with your post above - our business is based on creating winners, and I see a steady stream of them walking out of our lobby, grinning ear to ear and holding a little blue envelope with a check!

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                Hey grwurston. The industry standard for test draws is between three and five test draws per game. That's how we've done it since 1989. If the same number comes up either four or five times during the pre-test draws we do a retest as statistically that shouldn't happen. If the same number continues to come up we pull that draw set and have it inspected to make sure nothing has happened to it. The results of the test draws are always available by request, but aren't published. There's no time to put them up prior to a drawing.

                And as for wanting players to win as much as possible? The answer there quite honestly is yes. Do we want people to win more than we sell? Of course not -then we're out of business and no one gets to play. On the flip side though, if no one wins or not enough people win then we're also out of business as no one is going to play. It's a fine line. But you hit the nail on the head with your post above - our business is based on creating winners, and I see a steady stream of them walking out of our lobby, grinning ear to ear and holding a little blue envelope with a check!

                Hi ChipP 2,

                Are all lottery workers banned from playing the lottery they work for or is it just the high level folks ?

                I work in a hotel casino and there was a time when licensed workers were banned from playing in any casino in atlantic city,

                now I can play, but not at the one I work for.

                Extraordinary Popular Delusions & the Madness of Crowds    -- Charles Mackay  LL.D.

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                  Hi ChipP 2,

                  Are all lottery workers banned from playing the lottery they work for or is it just the high level folks ?

                  I work in a hotel casino and there was a time when licensed workers were banned from playing in any casino in atlantic city,

                  now I can play, but not at the one I work for.

                  Hey there Haymaker. Not only are all Kentucky Lottery employees prohibited from buying tickets in Kentucky, but so are members of our board of directors and all employees of lottery-specific vendors that we do business with (like GTECH who provides our draw game system, Scientific Games who prints our scratch-off tickets, etc.) The only caveat is with the Powerball game, and we're allowed to play that but ONLY out of state. Mega Millions does not provide that option.


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                    Hey there Haymaker. Not only are all Kentucky Lottery employees prohibited from buying tickets in Kentucky, but so are members of our board of directors and all employees of lottery-specific vendors that we do business with (like GTECH who provides our draw game system, Scientific Games who prints our scratch-off tickets, etc.) The only caveat is with the Powerball game, and we're allowed to play that but ONLY out of state. Mega Millions does not provide that option.

                    Just being devils advocate here Chip, but I'm sure there are ways around those rules.

                    Nothing to prevent you from buying lottery tickets, or having a friend pick one up for you.

                    The only problem would be cashing in a large winner or jackpot. In that case you could entrust that winning ticket to a friend to claim.

                    Unethical, but I'm sure its all been done before many times, if not your state, the other 49.

                    Thanks again for all your informative posts, always good to get the lottery's prospective on our everyday issues.

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                      Posted: October 10, 2012, 8:06 pm - IP Logged

                      Hey grwurston. The industry standard for test draws is between three and five test draws per game. That's how we've done it since 1989. If the same number comes up either four or five times during the pre-test draws we do a retest as statistically that shouldn't happen. If the same number continues to come up we pull that draw set and have it inspected to make sure nothing has happened to it. The results of the test draws are always available by request, but aren't published. There's no time to put them up prior to a drawing.

                      And as for wanting players to win as much as possible? The answer there quite honestly is yes. Do we want people to win more than we sell? Of course not -then we're out of business and no one gets to play. On the flip side though, if no one wins or not enough people win then we're also out of business as no one is going to play. It's a fine line. But you hit the nail on the head with your post above - our business is based on creating winners, and I see a steady stream of them walking out of our lobby, grinning ear to ear and holding a little blue envelope with a check!

                      Hey Chip,

                      Interesting comment about doing a retest and pulling the ballset if a number comes up 4 or 5 times in a row.

                      Statistically it should not happen you say, but it does quite often. Two recent examples in official draws, 9/28 thru 10/1 the 9

                      appeared in Md eve. (4 times). 10/2 thru 10/6 the 9 appeared in Md. mid. (5 times). Just since Sept. 1, a number appeared

                      4 in a row or better, 11 times in the Md. pick 4. On the flip side what about when a number doesn't hit for 12, 15 or

                      more days. What happens then?

                      Now if you see that on the pretest (# hitting several times in a row) and you pull the set and inspect it, if nothing is wrong

                      do you go right back to using that set? Another question, if you know numbers can and do hit several times in a row on

                      the official draws, why does it arouse suspision when it happens on the pretests? If it happens on the pretest and you pull

                      the ballset, aren't you in effect trying to control the drawings by trying to prevent something that should be completely 

                      random from repeating?

                      "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

                      The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

                      Don't just think outside the box, crush it.

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                        Hey there Haymaker. Not only are all Kentucky Lottery employees prohibited from buying tickets in Kentucky, but so are members of our board of directors and all employees of lottery-specific vendors that we do business with (like GTECH who provides our draw game system, Scientific Games who prints our scratch-off tickets, etc.) The only caveat is with the Powerball game, and we're allowed to play that but ONLY out of state. Mega Millions does not provide that option.

                        Thanks for the reply,

                        so I guess if you want to play PB that means a trip to indiana ?

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                          Posted: October 25, 2012, 6:26 pm - IP Logged

                          What happened to Chip, I guess he doesn't want to answer our questions??? What?

                          "You can observe a lot just by watching." Yogi Berra, Hall of Fame baseball player.

                          The numbers will tell you what numbers to play. Pay attention to the numbers.

                          Don't just think outside the box, crush it.


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                            What happened to Chip, I guess he doesn't want to answer our questions??? What?

                            Good question, I asked him a question over two weeks ago. Still no reply.    What?

                            Business must be really good, guess we "little" people don't matter to him any more.  Jester Laugh

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                              Just being devils advocate here Chip, but I'm sure there are ways around those rules.

                              Nothing to prevent you from buying lottery tickets, or having a friend pick one up for you.

                              The only problem would be cashing in a large winner or jackpot. In that case you could entrust that winning ticket to a friend to claim.

                              Unethical, but I'm sure its all been done before many times, if not your state, the other 49.

                              Thanks again for all your informative posts, always good to get the lottery's prospective on our everyday issues.

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