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Woman who let Powerball winner go ahead of her has no regrets

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Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:01 pm - IP Logged

I'd like a definitive answer to that as well. We may know how a RNG generally operates, whether it is a software pseudo-random number generator(PRNG) or a hardware random number generator(RNG), taking into account system time, noise sources,  oscillators, etc. But does anyone actually know what the lottery terminal software actualy uses for quick picks? If it's a PRNG, is it seeded for every pick, or only periodically?

It would be great if a reporter would ask a lottery official point blank: would it have made a difference, would the other lady have gotten those same numbers or not? They may waffle, but at least ask the question. They seem to enjoy the buzz and uncertainty and additional media coverage from this secondary issue.

Keep in mind, their goal is not perfect randomness for quick picks. This is not for high speed Gigabit cryptography and high security. Its just generating a few digits every few seconds. We know they like rollovers, they count on it. So you could say poor number coverage and lots of overlap is in their best interests. So just for this fact, I reserve final judgement until a definitive answer is presented.

I agree. Those are excellent questions I'd like the answers for. Just for the sake of information gathering. 

But as for this particular situation, I still don't care what the answer is. 

All this is is a big bunch of "what ifs". 

What if the kids had gotten out of the car quicker?

What if she hadn't had to stop at a red light?

What if there hadn't been a gap in the line?

What if she hadn't turned away for so long that little old lady was able to get in front of her without her realizing?

What if a voice had come to her in the night and told her which numbers to play?

what if...what if...what if...

I'm sure you'll also hear that someone always plays PB at that Publix every day at that specific time and for whatever reason, he missed that day. Or someone else ALWAYS plays those numbers but on that one day they decided to try a new set of numbers instead.

I just don't care. Tough luck. On that day, the little old lady got lucky and Mindy didn't. She can stop with the celebrity media tour now.

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    Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:08 pm - IP Logged

    Perhaps you should consider doing a little cutting of your own?

    Yeah I thought about that too lol

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      Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:12 pm - IP Logged

      Are you sure?  I called the Lottery a long time ago (we've had this discussion before) and was told each machine generates its own sets of numbers.  Yes, if she bought several tickets and #5 won, I'd agree.  But she said she only bought 1 this time.  Again, why mention it at all?  It only stirs up debates like this and might create problems for her.  If I won such a huge amound and truly believed it was because a nice person let me go first, then I would reward her.

      hey where is the post about?  (I called the Lottery a long time ago (we've had this discussion before) and was told each machine generates its own sets of numbers)

       

      thx

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        Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:17 pm - IP Logged

        I'd like a definitive answer to that as well. We may know how a RNG generally operates, whether it is a software pseudo-random number generator(PRNG) or a hardware random number generator(RNG), taking into account system time, noise sources,  oscillators, etc. But does anyone actually know what the lottery terminal software actualy uses for quick picks? If it's a PRNG, is it seeded for every pick, or only periodically?

        It would be great if a reporter would ask a lottery official point blank: would it have made a difference, would the other lady have gotten those same numbers or not? They may waffle, but at least ask the question. They seem to enjoy the buzz and uncertainty and additional media coverage from this secondary issue.

        Keep in mind, their goal is not perfect randomness for quick picks. This is not for high speed Gigabit cryptography and high security. Its just generating a few digits every few seconds. We know they like rollovers, they count on it. So you could say poor number coverage and lots of overlap is in their best interests. So just for this fact, I reserve final judgement until a definitive answer is presented.

        We know they like rollovers, they count on it. So you could say poor number coverage and lots of overlap is in their best interests.

        If this is true, if they did this on purpose, then they are cheating and whoever supervised the lottery shouldn't have allowed it. But since we don't know all the facts, let's hope that this is not true.

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          Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:22 pm - IP Logged

          News story photo

          Mom.... I'm going to punch you in the Esophagus If you don't shut up...........ROFL

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            Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:23 pm - IP Logged

            Not so fast Jammy, its also true that BECAUSE she cut in line her timing was RIGHT.

            Exactly!  I Agree!

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              Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:33 pm - IP Logged

              ROFL

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                Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:41 pm - IP Logged

                Last night on WGN-TV news (before the real person was known) they said that 6,721 people had already claimed to be the person that let the winner go ahead of them.

                As for the winner gettig the winning ticket, Kurt Vonnegut would have simply said, "That moment in time was structured that way."

                Yes, also true, but the woman who won should have kept her mouth shut.  Of course everyone is going to say "I'm the one!"  Once I found a $20 on the floor in the supermarket.  I walked up to customer service and asked if someone was looking for lost money.  Should I have shouted out "Anyone drop this $20 bill?"  I shopped for a while and, when I checked out, I decided the best thing to do was to drop it into the Salvation Army bucket on the way out the door.  (it was that time of year)

                OTOH, people should not cut in line because they feel entitled for a variety of reason.  I live in Florida and see it all the time.   I have friends who are disabled and they wait their turns.   

                I don't know how 6,721 people can claim to be that person.  Each ticket is stamped with the time of purchase, plus there are video cameras all over the store.  I don't usually buy quick picks anyway, but I am looking at my Florida Lottery tickets and one reads 19:07:28 and the other 19:07:32

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                  Well, depending on how it really happened, if she let an 84 year old cut in front of her out of respect, then she should be rewarded.  The woman won an awful lot of money and, even if she gives millions to her family members and friends, will certainly have enough left to write another check.  The story is a little confusing.  Did the winner actually cut in front of Mrs. Crandell or did she step away for a second?  I've been in Publix many times when the customer service people are very busy selling tickets and trying to handle their other duties.  They go from register to register.  Publix is a very large supermarket chain and each store usually has a separate area for the Lottery.  Often customers go the the Customer Service Center to conduct other business and then want lottery tickets.  If there's a line to buy lottery tickets, they usually do not get back in line. 

                  In any case, since the winner acknowledged the young woman, she is probably planning to give her a "thank you" reward.   I hope so.  Otherwise, I don't know why she would even mention her.

                  Crandell allowed the winner to go ahead and play.She should not expect anything, and if she is- then her parading around on tv is one big lie with the " no regrets statement"
                  The problem l have with situations like these are if Gloria cut her a check for $50, 000- Crandell may comment on it and the next thing you know,  people will say she should have got at least $5 mil.

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                    Yes, lady tell your cheesy story because people love cheesy stories. Maybe she doesn't have any regrets, but cheesy stories like the one she just told is the one people prefer to hear. I remember when the guy in NY said he was pushed out of the line by another person. He and his co workers won the big prize while the other guy didn't win anything. I don't see too many folks letting anyone skip while in line after this story.LOL

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                      Posted: June 6, 2013, 8:50 pm - IP Logged

                      Yes, lady tell your cheesy story because people love cheesy stories. Maybe she doesn't have any regrets, but cheesy stories like the one she just told is the one people prefer to hear. I remember when the guy in NY said he was pushed out of the line by another person. He and his co workers won the big prize while the other guy didn't win anything. I don't see too many folks letting anyone skip while in line after this story.LOL

                      I posted about this in my earlier post.

                       

                      FYI he wasn't pushed.

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                        Crandell allowed the winner to go ahead and play.She should not expect anything, and if she is- then her parading around on tv is one big lie with the " no regrets statement"
                        The problem l have with situations like these are if Gloria cut her a check for $50, 000- Crandell may comment on it and the next thing you know,  people will say she should have got at least $5 mil.

                        Funny you should mention this!  I was in Publix just an hour ago and went into the liquor store.  There is never a line there, but most people don't realize it also has a Lottery machine (although not every store has a separate liquor shop)  Anyway, the man behind the counter said he thinks Crandell should get $5 million.  The winner is 84 and I'm guessing will meet her maker in the next 10-15 years, so I hope she does what's right.   She was living in a crummy duplex in Zephyrhills and is now very, very wealthy.

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                          Posted: June 6, 2013, 9:04 pm - IP Logged

                          hey where is the post about?  (I called the Lottery a long time ago (we've had this discussion before) and was told each machine generates its own sets of numbers)

                           

                          thx

                          I've been a member for many years.  I have no idea where or when we discussed this.  At my age, I'm lucky I remember how to get home.  LOL

                           

                          Anyway, according to the Florida Lottery spokesperson, I am wrong.  I admit it!

                          Maybe things have changed or they're different with Powerball.  In any case, he said that just changing positions in line would have resulted in different numbers being generated by the time the ticket was printed.  So I guess we will never know if she would have won.   In any case, it's ironic that a woman was rude and is being rewarded, and so many people are defending her.  It's happened to me many times.  I've been in front of the line buying my tickets and someone in back of me will shout "Gimme 2 Powerball tickets!"  I don't even buy PB tickets most of the time anyway, but that's not my point.  However, this does change things a bit.

                          David Bishop from the Florida Lottery told the New York Times that "if there was even a millisecond difference in the time between key strokes at the terminal, the numbers would have been different."

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                            Posted: June 6, 2013, 9:32 pm - IP Logged

                            Good to see you post Nancy. Hope you are doing ok.

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                              Crandell allowed the winner to go ahead and play.She should not expect anything, and if she is- then her parading around on tv is one big lie with the " no regrets statement"
                              The problem l have with situations like these are if Gloria cut her a check for $50, 000- Crandell may comment on it and the next thing you know,  people will say she should have got at least $5 mil.

                              I said it when the JP got really big, that whoever won it should be prepared for people coming out of the woodwork to stake some kind of claim. 

                              I don't believe for a second that Mindy is doing this media blitz because she thinks it's a cute story that needs sharing. She's doing this to give subtle pressure, and definitely to get public opinion weighing in, saying she deserves some of the money, just like is happening here now. 

                              If one of her kids told this story on FB and the media got hold of it, I could get that. But the world only found out about Gloria being the winner yesterday afternoon. 2:15pm. And in just a few short hours later, there is Mindy giving interviews about how she let Gloria go in front of her and Gloria won. Yeah, if it was no big deal, we would not be seeing her interviews. The rest of us would probably have told this as a cute little story to our family and friends, groaned a few times and had a couple of laughs. We wouldn't be holding press conferences.

                                 
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