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Woman who let Powerball winner go ahead of her has no regrets

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Posted: June 6, 2013, 9:42 pm - IP Logged

This quote kills me...

 

"The joke was, that's the lady that's going to win it. I was like, 'Yeah right. No one is going to win from little Zephyrhills,'" Crandell said.

 

Uhh hello moron, you're in FLORIDA, the state with the highest per capita number of lottery winners in the US. 

I could see someone saying that if they're playing from Montana, but definitely not Florida.

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    Posted: June 6, 2013, 9:43 pm - IP Logged

    Same here, justx, good to see you posting.

    Re those '6,721' people.

    Those prone to slinging baloney never stop to think about things like time date stamps on tickets.

    Or consider certain baseball and football games when something really odd or exciting happens. Say a stadium holds about 58,000 people. But as the years go by a couple of million will swear to have been at that game.

    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any.

    Lep

    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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      Posted: June 6, 2013, 9:57 pm - IP Logged

      With the assumption that rng's at all terminals that seel PB are continuously outputting combinations,wouldn't it be safe to say that had the clerk hit the button  to print a QP a macro-second later,wouldn't that she would not have won to begin with.?

       

      I mean as far as RNG's's go,do number combinations hang in limbo in terminals till someone  wants a qp or is the terminal perpetually cycling combinations?

      Had the clerk sneezed just before she hit the button, the old lady wouldn't have won. That sneeze would have cost her 590 million dollars LOL

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        Posted: June 6, 2013, 10:09 pm - IP Logged

        I've been a member for many years.  I have no idea where or when we discussed this.  At my age, I'm lucky I remember how to get home.  LOL

         

        Anyway, according to the Florida Lottery spokesperson, I am wrong.  I admit it!

        Maybe things have changed or they're different with Powerball.  In any case, he said that just changing positions in line would have resulted in different numbers being generated by the time the ticket was printed.  So I guess we will never know if she would have won.   In any case, it's ironic that a woman was rude and is being rewarded, and so many people are defending her.  It's happened to me many times.  I've been in front of the line buying my tickets and someone in back of me will shout "Gimme 2 Powerball tickets!"  I don't even buy PB tickets most of the time anyway, but that's not my point.  However, this does change things a bit.

        David Bishop from the Florida Lottery told the New York Times that "if there was even a millisecond difference in the time between key strokes at the terminal, the numbers would have been different."

        Why are you assuming that Gloria cut in to be rude?

        The way those Publix customer service counters are set up it's very easy to cut in front of someone without even knowing you did it.

        Some people like to leave a gap in the line to let customers pass by  instead of having them go around them. Even worse is when they leave that gap, and then start browsing at things displayed nearby while they wait. It's easy for others to overlook that person, or to see them but assume they are shopping, not waiting, and just go right up to the counter. 

        If Mindy's daughter had to point out to Mindy that someone cut in front of them, then Mindy definitely wasn't paying attention and most likely had turned away which is why she didn't see Gloria until her kid let her know. 

        If there's a significant enough space between her and the counter, and she's turned away from the counter to deal with one of her kids, how was Gloria to know she was waiting for service?

        That's not rude. Publix. I've done it before. Others have done it to me before. It's always an honest mistake and whoever is in line usually says: it's okay, go ahead.

        It has nothing at all  to do with rudeness or being inconsiderate. It's only an issue now because Gloria won and she didn't.

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          Posted: June 6, 2013, 10:13 pm - IP Logged

          Funny, we all seem to be missing the main point. What really matters is not how, why or where you pick your numbers, but how the drawing itself is conducted. The tickets we buy do not influence  the numbers drawn as much as the drawing itself can inadvertently screw up your best laid plans.

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            Posted: June 6, 2013, 10:38 pm - IP Logged

            Funny, we all seem to be missing the main point. What really matters is not how, why or where you pick your numbers, but how the drawing itself is conducted. The tickets we buy do not influence  the numbers drawn as much as the drawing itself can inadvertently screw up your best laid plans.

            That may comes across as somewhat convoluted but when you functioning at a higher brain output-it makes perfect sense.

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              Posted: June 6, 2013, 10:58 pm - IP Logged

              Funny, we all seem to be missing the main point. What really matters is not how, why or where you pick your numbers, but how the drawing itself is conducted. The tickets we buy do not influence  the numbers drawn as much as the drawing itself can inadvertently screw up your best laid plans.

              I doubt anyone is missing this point. I think the difference is that everyone has a clear understanding of how the numbers are drawn, but there seems to not be a clear understanding of how the machines pick the QP numbers. So that's probably why it's being discussed.

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                Posted: June 6, 2013, 11:03 pm - IP Logged

                Why are you assuming that Gloria cut in to be rude?

                The way those Publix customer service counters are set up it's very easy to cut in front of someone without even knowing you did it.

                Some people like to leave a gap in the line to let customers pass by  instead of having them go around them. Even worse is when they leave that gap, and then start browsing at things displayed nearby while they wait. It's easy for others to overlook that person, or to see them but assume they are shopping, not waiting, and just go right up to the counter. 

                If Mindy's daughter had to point out to Mindy that someone cut in front of them, then Mindy definitely wasn't paying attention and most likely had turned away which is why she didn't see Gloria until her kid let her know. 

                If there's a significant enough space between her and the counter, and she's turned away from the counter to deal with one of her kids, how was Gloria to know she was waiting for service?

                That's not rude. Publix. I've done it before. Others have done it to me before. It's always an honest mistake and whoever is in line usually says: it's okay, go ahead.

                It has nothing at all  to do with rudeness or being inconsiderate. It's only an issue now because Gloria won and she didn't.

                I need to go back and read my posts, since I don't think that's what I said.  If I did, I apologize, since that's not exactly what I meant to write.  I've wandered into a line by accident.  However, if someone pointed out to me that I cut in front of her, I would move back.   

                In any case, that wasn't my point.  It's just that everyone is saying "the numbers would have been different" which is true according to a Lottery spokesperson.  However, doesn't that mean Gloria also wouldn't have won?  Why is it a one-way street?   No matter how you look at this story, the winner was exactly at the right place at the right time down to a fraction of a second.   Why?  Because she cut in front of someone, accidentally or not, and that person politely let her.

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                  Posted: June 6, 2013, 11:22 pm - IP Logged

                  Not sure how i feel about letting the lady cut in line; however this is my rule...I always feel bad for people WHO ARE NOT LOTTERY PLAYERS..and get stuck behind me so I will usually let them go ahead of me; for some reason i can sense a lottery player a mile away and under no circumstances will I allow them to cut...just my opinion..


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                    Posted: June 6, 2013, 11:29 pm - IP Logged

                    I agree. Those are excellent questions I'd like the answers for. Just for the sake of information gathering. 

                    But as for this particular situation, I still don't care what the answer is. 

                    All this is is a big bunch of "what ifs". 

                    What if the kids had gotten out of the car quicker?

                    What if she hadn't had to stop at a red light?

                    What if there hadn't been a gap in the line?

                    What if she hadn't turned away for so long that little old lady was able to get in front of her without her realizing?

                    What if a voice had come to her in the night and told her which numbers to play?

                    what if...what if...what if...

                    I'm sure you'll also hear that someone always plays PB at that Publix every day at that specific time and for whatever reason, he missed that day. Or someone else ALWAYS plays those numbers but on that one day they decided to try a new set of numbers instead.

                    I just don't care. Tough luck. On that day, the little old lady got lucky and Mindy didn't. She can stop with the celebrity media tour now.

                    Your post reminded me of this...

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ea0mG4ahRk

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                      Some people here are acting as if when you stand in line to buy lottery tickets a temporary partnership is assumed if you or the person in front or back of you wins a jackpot.   

                      It's as silly as bums loitering around the counters of stores selling lottery tickets when the jackpots get high telling customers "remember me if you win".

                       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                         
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                        Some people here are acting as if when you stand in line to buy lottery tickets a temporary partnership is assumed if you or the person in front or back of you wins a jackpot.   

                        It's as silly as bums loitering around the counters of stores selling lottery tickets when the jackpots get high telling customers "remember me if you win".

                        Green laugh

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                          Some people here are acting as if when you stand in line to buy lottery tickets a temporary partnership is assumed if you or the person in front or back of you wins a jackpot.   

                          It's as silly as bums loitering around the counters of stores selling lottery tickets when the jackpots get high telling customers "remember me if you win".

                          Hi, RJOh!  I agree with you to a point.  I can't speak for everyone, but I was talking about a sense of right and wrong, not an assumed partnership.  I don't even like buying tickets for friends.   In fact, I had a problem last year when a man from whom I rented asked me to buy some PB tickets.  He even gave me the money and said we'd split the prize if he won, no strings attached.   It's hard to explain, but I just didn't want to get involved.   I did buy the tickets, but I told him I wouldn't do it again.

                          What I keep thinking is that the winner would never have gotten those specific numbers if the timing were different.  After I read more and realized that the numbers picked change in a fraction of a second, I also realized that neither women would have won had the conversation continued an extra 5 seconds.   Still, although I cannot speak for Gloria Mackenzie, I would be very, very grateful to Mindy Crandell. 

                          Another scenario - let's say Mindy got her own attorneys and, after viewing the surveillance tape, they decided she had a good case.  Of course it is a bearer instrument, and even a Lottery spokesperson said the numbers change in a millisecond, but remember the case of 83 year old Edward Saint John vs Kevin Donovan?   Even if the law is on your side, someone can make your life pretty miserable, and Ms Mackenzie doesn't have a lot of years ahead of her. 

                          I guess one reason I'm having a difficult time with this whole subject matter is that I cannot imagine having that much money so it's a lot easier for me to giver hers away.  LOL   Still, I think I'd have too much guilt if I didn't do something for the Crandell family.

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                            We know they like rollovers, they count on it. So you could say poor number coverage and lots of overlap is in their best interests.

                            If this is true, if they did this on purpose, then they are cheating and whoever supervised the lottery shouldn't have allowed it. But since we don't know all the facts, let's hope that this is not true.

                            We know that 70 to 80% of tickets sold are QP's, and we know that multiple winners are rare when jackpots are small. When small jackpots do result in multiple winners it's frequently because the winning numbers are birthday numbers, and the multiple winners chose their own numbers. Because the number of multiple winners is pretty close to what probability suggests we can be certain that QP's are sufficiently random.

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                              Are any of these storys true. This is from the USA Today. Read the last paragraph.

                                 
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