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Washington man to fight state lottery; says new scratch card 'misleading'

Jun 17, 2013, 9:43 am

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A Kennewick, Washington, man plans to fight the Washington State Lottery in court over a scratch card payoff that didn't pan out.

Ken Goldsmith, 55, recently bought one of the newest scratch cards, Red Hot 5s, and thought he scored the top prize of $55,555 by matching one of the numbers.

But when he scanned the card at a lottery kiosk, it came up a loser.

"I called the lottery office in Olympia to find out why it scanned a loser, but they knew what scratch card I was referring to before I even mentioned it," Goldsmith said.

The language on the Red Hot 5s scratch card says to match a number on the card to one of the winning numbers and win that cash prize.

The language also states that there are more numbers on the back side of the card to play. What it doesn't say is that the front and the back of the ticket are two different games, and that's where the confusion sets in, Goldsmith said.

"I matched a number on the back to the $55,555 winning number on the front, so I thought for sure I'd won," he said. "The people at the lottery office told me it was made clear on their website that this scratch card was two different games, but it should have been made clear on the scratch card, and the fact that it isn't is very misleading."

Seems Goldsmith isn't the only player confused.

"The Red Hot 5s scratch card has caused some confusion with people," said Arlen Harris, a lottery spokesman. "But we have no intention of pulling the ticket from the market because the cost factor would be excessive."

The Red Hot 5s is the first double-sided scratch card issued across the country, Harris added.

"We are the first to offer a scratch card that plays on the front and back, and we hope to add another one in the future," he said. "We've learned from this experience, however, and we will be more explanatory with future scratch cards like this one."

Goldsmith isn't satisfied with the lottery office's explanation. He thinks the tickets should be honored because the correct game rules were not printed on the cards.

"People don't go to the lottery website to check the rules," Goldsmith said. "They expect them to be on the card."

He plans to fight the issue in court, and has asked the Washington State Bar Association to recommend an attorney to represent him.

"I am not ignorant about how scratch cards work, since I've been buying them for 15 years," Goldsmith said. "I read all the rules on the cards, but I am amazed at how many people don't do that and will throw away a ticket that is a winner because they didn't read all the rules on how the game wins."

That's why he picks discarded scratch cards out of the trash wherever he sees them.

He's never thrown away any of his loser cards, either. He keeps them stored in boxes according to the year they were purchased.

"I've won a decent amount of money many times on those castoff tickets," Goldsmith said. "And that's why this Red Hot 5s game has me annoyed. Nowhere on that ticket does it say the front and the back are two separate games."

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What a cry babySad

    dr65's avatar - black panther.jpg
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    If he's been playing a long time, then he knows that each game is played separately on these multiple grid
    tickets.
    Does he really expect to be paid? Wow.

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      MadGeniusDude's avatar - 3JPyQBr
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      What a cry babySad

      I Agree!

        duckman's avatar - ducklogodrake64x64
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        He won't get anywhere with that claim. That being said, for clarity, the lottery should put on the ticket that each game is played separately (they do have that statement on their website for that game).

        A better solution would be to have the numbers on the back not match any winning numbers on the front if the ticket is not supposed to be a winner. Then there is no possibility of confusion.

          lottolaughs's avatar - animaniacs28
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          What a sore loser! I would think it's pretty obvious if it was a 2 sided scratcher that you can't go matching numbers back and forth. Do something more useful with your time dumpster diver Ken.

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            Obvious or not most longtime players are sore when they lose.  He'll probably be even more sore when he loses his case.

             * you don't need to buy every combination, just the winning ones * 

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              I looked at the ticket on the website..I'm sure this man isn't convinced he should have won.
              He has been playing too long to think that.
              The ticket clearly shows how to win on each side.
              The symbols needed on the front to win are different from those needed on the back.

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                Well,  I hope he doesn't mind paying court costs and other legal fees and being out more money because I don't see any judge awarding him money for a losing ticket because he couldn't be bothered to read the rules.

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                  If he's been playing a long time, then he knows that each game is played separately on these multiple grid
                  tickets.
                  Does he really expect to be paid? Wow.

                  I Agree!

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                    A Kennewick, Washington, man plans to fight the Washington State Lottery in court over a scratch card payoff that didn't pan out.

                    Ken Goldsmith, 55, recently bought one of the newest scratch cards, Red Hot 5s, and thought he scored the top prize of $55,555 by matching one of the numbers.

                    But when he scanned the card at a lottery kiosk, it came up a loser.

                    "I called the lottery office in Olympia to find out why it scanned a loser, but they knew what scratch card I was referring to before I even mentioned it," Goldsmith said.

                    The language on the Red Hot 5s scratch card says to match a number on the card to one of the winning numbers and win that cash prize.

                    The language also states that there are more numbers on the back side of the card to play. What it doesn't say is that the front and the back of the ticket are two different games, and that's where the confusion sets in, Goldsmith said.

                    "I matched a number on the back to the $55,555 winning number on the front, so I thought for sure I'd won," he said. "The people at the lottery office told me it was made clear on their website that this scratch card was two different games, but it should have been made clear on the scratch card, and the fact that it isn't is very misleading."

                    Seems Goldsmith isn't the only player confused.

                    "The Red Hot 5s scratch card has caused some confusion with people," said Arlen Harris, a lottery spokesman. "But we have no intention of pulling the ticket from the market because the cost factor would be excessive."

                    The Red Hot 5s is the first double-sided scratch card issued across the country, Harris added.

                    "We are the first to offer a scratch card that plays on the front and back, and we hope to add another one in the future," he said. "We've learned from this experience, however, and we will be more explanatory with future scratch cards like this one."

                    Goldsmith isn't satisfied with the lottery office's explanation. He thinks the tickets should be honored because the correct game rules were not printed on the cards.

                    "People don't go to the lottery website to check the rules," Goldsmith said. "They expect them to be on the card."

                    He plans to fight the issue in court, and has asked the Washington State Bar Association to recommend an attorney to represent him.

                    "I am not ignorant about how scratch cards work, since I've been buying them for 15 years," Goldsmith said. "I read all the rules on the cards, but I am amazed at how many people don't do that and will throw away a ticket that is a winner because they didn't read all the rules on how the game wins."

                    That's why he picks discarded scratch cards out of the trash wherever he sees them.

                    He's never thrown away any of his loser cards, either. He keeps them stored in boxes according to the year they were purchased.

                    "I've won a decent amount of money many times on those castoff tickets," Goldsmith said. "And that's why this Red Hot 5s game has me annoyed. Nowhere on that ticket does it say the front and the back are two separate games."

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                    I don't know what going to happen in Mr Goldsmith case. When I'm traveling I purchase a lot of scratch -off ticket when we get gas and return them on the way back home. I don't expect to be refer to a website. I expect clear direction. This man will not be the only one to call then on this one. Wash. may take a lost on this ticket. Word get out to other players you have problem with this ticket. People won't buy them they stay in there bins. Then the lottery has to eat it losses.

                      Jon D's avatar - calotterylogo
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                      Frivolous lawsuits are a cancer on this country.

                      When Mr. Goldsmith loses his case, he should have to pay court costs, and possibly opposing attorney's fees. In addition, we need to have a point system for lawyers that bring these types of cases. Like if you get too many points on your driver's license, then you get your license suspended.

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                        Some of these games are confusing, but he must have a few thousand in losing tickets and it should be easy to figure out that he did'nt win. When he comes back to reality he will probably feel stupid.

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                          I don't know what going to happen in Mr Goldsmith case. When I'm traveling I purchase a lot of scratch -off ticket when we get gas and return them on the way back home. I don't expect to be refer to a website. I expect clear direction. This man will not be the only one to call then on this one. Wash. may take a lost on this ticket. Word get out to other players you have problem with this ticket. People won't buy them they stay in there bins. Then the lottery has to eat it losses.

                          I Agree! Put complete and non-confusing directions on your lottery tickets.

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                            I gave up on scratch tickets quite a while back because of these silly mistakes. I would get a double heart attack if some scratch ticket told me that I am home free only for the lottery officials to tell me sorry it ain't so. It has happened here in MA and the $1M ticket was dismissed as a misprint. Mr Goldsmith should just let it go because he will not win

                            That money's gone fo ever