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So, if they will let this guy stay anonymous because the win might put him in danger, why won't they extend the same courtesy to US???

"So, if they will let this guy stay anonymous because the win might put him in danger, why won't they extend the same courtesy to US???"

Because the danger to "US" is mostly in your head, whereas the danger to a lottery winner living in Iraq is much more likely to be real.

In case there's any confusion, the lottery decided not to release his name because he lives in Iraq, not because he's Iraqi. I expect that if you move to Iraq (or a number of other places) before claiming a prize you could convince them not to release your name, at least if they believed it would be difficult for you to move out of Iraq.

"There's not  a single racist comment on this thread so far"

You're right. When posters speculate that he might be a terrorist or wonder "if anyone bothered to check to see if he was on a terror watch list?" it's probably just because he's Iraqi.

That means it's just plain all-purpose bigotry, rather than racism.

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    "So, if they will let this guy stay anonymous because the win might put him in danger, why won't they extend the same courtesy to US???"

    Because the danger to "US" is mostly in your head, whereas the danger to a lottery winner living in Iraq is much more likely to be real.

    In case there's any confusion, the lottery decided not to release his name because he lives in Iraq, not because he's Iraqi. I expect that if you move to Iraq (or a number of other places) before claiming a prize you could convince them not to release your name, at least if they believed it would be difficult for you to move out of Iraq.

    "There's not  a single racist comment on this thread so far"

    You're right. When posters speculate that he might be a terrorist or wonder "if anyone bothered to check to see if he was on a terror watch list?" it's probably just because he's Iraqi.

    That means it's just plain all-purpose bigotry, rather than racism.

    Oh goody another one who thinks he's so clever.

    The danger is in our heads? I think Abraham Shakespear might disagree, or the countless other lottery winners who have turned up dead or have been hounded for hand outs might disagree.

    All purpose bigotry, Well Mr. Clever, the definition of Bigotry: Having intolerance to those with a different opinion.

    Now if you said I was prejudice you might be correct, Color me a wee bit skeptical towards people in countries that constantly scream " Death to America"

    But there's still no real danger here, just ask the people from the Boston Marathon, Fort Hood and the 14 who were just slaughtered in California last week.

    Terror watch list, how dare me even think it.

     

    RIP Innocent souls.

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    For a lead role in a cage?

     

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      I sincerely hope that this guy uses the money to move himself and his family to a country where they can all live in peace.  It must be a nightmare to never know if bombs will fall on your house, an IED will blow up your car or a stray bullet from a shoot-out will kill you when you go to buy groceries. 

      Since he's a US taxpayer for the next 20 years, maybe he can come here?

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        Posted: December 11, 2015, 11:13 am - IP Logged

        Ticket bought online; Lottery withholds winner's name for security reasons

        For the first known time in the Oregon Lottery's 30-year history, the ticket for a winning big jackpot has been sold through an international online lottery ticket sales site — and the $6.4 million prize goes to an Iraqi national whose ticket was bought in Bend, and whose name won't be revealed in order to protect him from danger in his homeland, officials confirmed Wednesday.

        "We sell a lot of megabucks tickets, they come in with hands full of them," said Judy Bell-Putis, owner of Binky's on Southeast Third Street in Bend.

        One of those tickets turned out to crack the jackpot.

        "That doesn't happen very often, so it was exciting for us to be sold here," Bell-Putis said Wednesday.

        On Aug. 24, theLotter.com hired someone go to Binky's, a deli and lottery ticket sales outlet, and buy a Megabucks ticket on behalf of a Website customer, who as it turned out is an Iraqi national.

        No winner came forward until Dec. 1, when the man walked into the Oregon Lottery's Salem headquarters to claim his prize — and to spark a round of legal inquiry about the unique (to this point) circumstances of the big win.

        "This is absolutely unprecedented for the Oregon Lottery," said Chuck Baumann, lottery spokesman.

        Baumann said Wednesday that such online sales are legal in this case, though the lottery itself does not sell tickets online. 

        Rather than a lump-sum payment, the winner chose to take his payout over 20 years. The agency made the first payment of $256,000 last week (after withholding income taxes, as is the typical procedure). The Megabucks cash lump sum payment would have been $3.2 million — half the jackpot amount, before taxes are paid.

        Lottery officials said they sought legal advice and were told the purchaser did nothing wrong and he should be paid. But the lottery's own Website notes that it's a murky issue: "Internet wagering is a complex issue involving both state and federal law, as well as a number of regulatory, technological and security challenges."

        Lottery rules also state that the winning ticketholder's name is public record, but the winner in this case asked that his name be withheld.

        The winner is an Iraqi Kurd living in Baghdad. After traveling from the Mideast, the man strolled into lottery headquarters in Salem on Dec. 1 with little advance notice and presented the winning ticket.

        While the Oregon Lottery doesn't sell tickets online, Lottery Director Jack Roberts said he was advised that the man didn't do anything wrong and should get his winnings. The man was also able to persuade lottery officials not to release his name, although it is a public record under Oregon law.

        "In this case, I made the decision based on talking to the guy," said Roberts. "I do believe that there is a personal safety risk to him and his family... I would hope that people would respect the reasons for not giving the name. It's not going to mean anything to them, but it could to someone halfway around the world."

        Roberts said the man — described as being in his 40s, personable and speaking relatively good English — made a convincing case that he and his family could be at risk of being killed or kidnapped if it was known that he had come into a large sum of money. Baghdad is one of the world's most dangerous cities, and an ethnic Kurd can stand out in a city dominated by Shiites.

        theLotter.com, based in Israel, allows customers to buy lottery tickets from all over the world.

        According to website's FAQ page, the site has a London mailing address and The Lotter Enterprises Ltd. is registered in Belize. It says all prizes are commission-free, though it charges a hefty fee for the initial ticket purchase — $3 worth of Megabucks tickets cost $9 — and if one wins a jackpot, "theLotter will fly you to the country" where it happened, "our local office representative will hand you your winning ticket" and will tell you how to claim the prize.

        With that kind of system, Oregon Lottery officials acknowledge there's no way of really knowing if it's the first jackpot won through an online site, only that it's the first they they were informed of such, and in very unusual circumstances.

        While Bell-Putis and her son were hoping to have the winning ticket themselves, selling the ticket might have been the next best thing for them.

        Binky's gets a "selling bonus," as the lottery's contract with retailers stipulates, of 1 percent of the prize, up to $100,000 — so in this case, the deli's bonus is $64,000, Baumann said.

        "We're glad to have it," Bell-Putis said. "This is a real small store here."

        Congratulation to this man on his Oregon Megabuck win. The Oregon Lottery, made the right decision. This was a matter of Life & Death for this person family members. It better to be safe then sorry.

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          Regarding the whole ISIS debate (on the grounds of nothing but his citizenship, no less!) I think it's safe to say the captured oil fields generate many times as much revenue as these measly 6M US$.

          The Tzarnaev Marathon bombers came to the US when they were what, 7 years old? The FBI recognizes that the real danger to the US is home grown terrorists , which is astonishing when you take into account the us geopolitics of the last 20 years.

           

          Back to the topic of actual lottery playing, I wonder if <snip> buys all tickets in Orgeon? Because if they bought in Delaware or another anonymity state I might consider buying from them as I now know they are legit.

          This post has been automatically changed by the Lottery Post computer system to remove inappropriate content and/or spam.

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            Ticket bought online; Lottery withholds winner's name for security reasons

            For the first known time in the Oregon Lottery's 30-year history, the ticket for a winning big jackpot has been sold through an international online lottery ticket sales site — and the $6.4 million prize goes to an Iraqi national whose ticket was bought in Bend, and whose name won't be revealed in order to protect him from danger in his homeland, officials confirmed Wednesday.

            "We sell a lot of megabucks tickets, they come in with hands full of them," said Judy Bell-Putis, owner of Binky's on Southeast Third Street in Bend.

            One of those tickets turned out to crack the jackpot.

            "That doesn't happen very often, so it was exciting for us to be sold here," Bell-Putis said Wednesday.

            On Aug. 24, theLotter.com hired someone go to Binky's, a deli and lottery ticket sales outlet, and buy a Megabucks ticket on behalf of a Website customer, who as it turned out is an Iraqi national.

            No winner came forward until Dec. 1, when the man walked into the Oregon Lottery's Salem headquarters to claim his prize — and to spark a round of legal inquiry about the unique (to this point) circumstances of the big win.

            "This is absolutely unprecedented for the Oregon Lottery," said Chuck Baumann, lottery spokesman.

            Baumann said Wednesday that such online sales are legal in this case, though the lottery itself does not sell tickets online. 

            Rather than a lump-sum payment, the winner chose to take his payout over 20 years. The agency made the first payment of $256,000 last week (after withholding income taxes, as is the typical procedure). The Megabucks cash lump sum payment would have been $3.2 million — half the jackpot amount, before taxes are paid.

            Lottery officials said they sought legal advice and were told the purchaser did nothing wrong and he should be paid. But the lottery's own Website notes that it's a murky issue: "Internet wagering is a complex issue involving both state and federal law, as well as a number of regulatory, technological and security challenges."

            Lottery rules also state that the winning ticketholder's name is public record, but the winner in this case asked that his name be withheld.

            The winner is an Iraqi Kurd living in Baghdad. After traveling from the Mideast, the man strolled into lottery headquarters in Salem on Dec. 1 with little advance notice and presented the winning ticket.

            While the Oregon Lottery doesn't sell tickets online, Lottery Director Jack Roberts said he was advised that the man didn't do anything wrong and should get his winnings. The man was also able to persuade lottery officials not to release his name, although it is a public record under Oregon law.

            "In this case, I made the decision based on talking to the guy," said Roberts. "I do believe that there is a personal safety risk to him and his family... I would hope that people would respect the reasons for not giving the name. It's not going to mean anything to them, but it could to someone halfway around the world."

            Roberts said the man — described as being in his 40s, personable and speaking relatively good English — made a convincing case that he and his family could be at risk of being killed or kidnapped if it was known that he had come into a large sum of money. Baghdad is one of the world's most dangerous cities, and an ethnic Kurd can stand out in a city dominated by Shiites.

            theLotter.com, based in Israel, allows customers to buy lottery tickets from all over the world.

            According to website's FAQ page, the site has a London mailing address and The Lotter Enterprises Ltd. is registered in Belize. It says all prizes are commission-free, though it charges a hefty fee for the initial ticket purchase — $3 worth of Megabucks tickets cost $9 — and if one wins a jackpot, "theLotter will fly you to the country" where it happened, "our local office representative will hand you your winning ticket" and will tell you how to claim the prize.

            With that kind of system, Oregon Lottery officials acknowledge there's no way of really knowing if it's the first jackpot won through an online site, only that it's the first they they were informed of such, and in very unusual circumstances.

            While Bell-Putis and her son were hoping to have the winning ticket themselves, selling the ticket might have been the next best thing for them.

            Binky's gets a "selling bonus," as the lottery's contract with retailers stipulates, of 1 percent of the prize, up to $100,000 — so in this case, the deli's bonus is $64,000, Baumann said.

            "We're glad to have it," Bell-Putis said. "This is a real small store here."

            Thank you Todd for this story what a remarkable site that allows us insigt

            into the world of lottery players.

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              "So, if they will let this guy stay anonymous because the win might put him in danger, why won't they extend the same courtesy to US???"

              Because the danger to "US" is mostly in your head, whereas the danger to a lottery winner living in Iraq is much more likely to be real.

              In case there's any confusion, the lottery decided not to release his name because he lives in Iraq, not because he's Iraqi. I expect that if you move to Iraq (or a number of other places) before claiming a prize you could convince them not to release your name, at least if they believed it would be difficult for you to move out of Iraq.

              "There's not  a single racist comment on this thread so far"

              You're right. When posters speculate that he might be a terrorist or wonder "if anyone bothered to check to see if he was on a terror watch list?" it's probably just because he's Iraqi.

              That means it's just plain all-purpose bigotry, rather than racism.

              I'm afraid you don't understand what "bigotry" means. LOL  You can't be a "bigot" by judging a person based on what country they are from.

              Bigotry has to do with an intolerance against someone based on what their opinions are -- which is closer to what YOU have posted!

               

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                I'm afraid you don't understand what "bigotry" means. LOL  You can't be a "bigot" by judging a person based on what country they are from.

                Bigotry has to do with an intolerance against someone based on what their opinions are -- which is closer to what YOU have posted!

                I will say this much...I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the comments on this thread for sure..I think it shows how different people feel about the same circumstance...

                 

                As for me...the fact that he is an Iraqi was all I needed to here...because ,sure..the first thing I thought of is he is probably a Terrorist..and second...how in the hec did he win all the way In Iraq...I still think the U.S. lottery system should be for U.S. citizens only...

                 

                Lets not forget that our country got caught with its pants down on September 11th, 2001...and oh yeah..the big one...December 7th, 1941...oh yeah..we sure hated the Japanese back then didnt we..it seems like every time the United States relaxes it self somebody is ready to attack us and kill thousands of people in the process...I am beginning to think the entire world actually hates us mostly because of our Government..which seems to stick its nose in way to many places it shouldnt be as if the United States is suppose to run the world or something..

                Now the only country them people hate more than Americans is Israelis...do you Honestly think them people care one single bit about who our founding fathers were.. ,what our country has gone through to remain free...they are NOT coming here to be AMERICANS...they are coming here to be Muslims...and one thing is for sure...RELIGION OUT RANKS ANY CITIZENSHIP..Now if you dont believe that..ask FRANCE...so later on down the road if there is Muslim uprising...they will get involved some how or another...you can bet on that...

                 

                I do believe with MOST OF THE STATES SAYING THEY DONT WANT THEM HERE,WAS CLEAR ENOUGH to those retards running our country....

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                  I will say this much...I have thoroughly enjoyed reading all the comments on this thread for sure..I think it shows how different people feel about the same circumstance...

                   

                  As for me...the fact that he is an Iraqi was all I needed to here...because ,sure..the first thing I thought of is he is probably a Terrorist..and second...how in the hec did he win all the way In Iraq...I still think the U.S. lottery system should be for U.S. citizens only...

                   

                  Lets not forget that our country got caught with its pants down on September 11th, 2001...and oh yeah..the big one...December 7th, 1941...oh yeah..we sure hated the Japanese back then didnt we..it seems like every time the United States relaxes it self somebody is ready to attack us and kill thousands of people in the process...I am beginning to think the entire world actually hates us mostly because of our Government..which seems to stick its nose in way to many places it shouldnt be as if the United States is suppose to run the world or something..

                  Now the only country them people hate more than Americans is Israelis...do you Honestly think them people care one single bit about who our founding fathers were.. ,what our country has gone through to remain free...they are NOT coming here to be AMERICANS...they are coming here to be Muslims...and one thing is for sure...RELIGION OUT RANKS ANY CITIZENSHIP..Now if you dont believe that..ask FRANCE...so later on down the road if there is Muslim uprising...they will get involved some how or another...you can bet on that...

                   

                  I do believe with MOST OF THE STATES SAYING THEY DONT WANT THEM HERE,WAS CLEAR ENOUGH to those retards running our country....

                  It's a highly personal situation, so I understand feelings on both sides.

                  Personally, I have no problem with it.  In order to win a jackpot the person would have to pay into it, and frankly they've probably put a good deal more into other jackpots before winning this one.  So whoever won those other jackpots was receiving money from this guy, as well as the thousands of other foreigners who have played in the same manner.

                  Plus, he's most certainly not the first non-US citizen to win a US jackpot.  I have reported on a few myself in the past, and there have most definitely been others.  I guess this is the first time I've heard of someone from Iraq winning a US jackpot, but I don't think that makes him a bad person by definition.

                   

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                    Oh goody another one who thinks he's so clever.

                    The danger is in our heads? I think Abraham Shakespear might disagree, or the countless other lottery winners who have turned up dead or have been hounded for hand outs might disagree.

                    All purpose bigotry, Well Mr. Clever, the definition of Bigotry: Having intolerance to those with a different opinion.

                    Now if you said I was prejudice you might be correct, Color me a wee bit skeptical towards people in countries that constantly scream " Death to America"

                    But there's still no real danger here, just ask the people from the Boston Marathon, Fort Hood and the 14 who were just slaughtered in California last week.

                    Terror watch list, how dare me even think it.

                     

                    RIP Innocent souls.

                    The danger is in our heads? I think Abraham Shakespear might disagree, or the countless other lottery winners who have turned up dead

                     

                    What countless lottery winners who turned up deadWhat?

                    I literally counted 3 off the top of my head, who are the others your

                    referring to?

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                      The danger is in our heads? I think Abraham Shakespear might disagree, or the countless other lottery winners who have turned up dead

                       

                      What countless lottery winners who turned up deadWhat?

                      I literally counted 3 off the top of my head, who are the others your

                      referring to?

                      William and Brenda Evans Detroit

                      Arthur Neal Detroit

                      Urooj Khan Illinois

                      Abraham Shakespear Florida

                      Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                      For a lead role in a cage?

                       

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                        When a american citizen who wins a huge jackpot,wants to remain anonymous,its also for security reasons.

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                          William and Brenda Evans Detroit

                          Arthur Neal Detroit

                          Urooj Khan Illinois

                          Abraham Shakespear Florida

                          That's itWhat? So you just added two more so my total is now 5, well 6 (for the couple).

                          You used the word "countless" like there were so many winners being killed you couldn't

                          even count them (because that's what the word countless means) thought I missed a whole lot of stories

                          here on LP.

                           

                          Okey, dokey! So overall lottery winners are safe!Smiley

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                            That's itWhat? So you just added two more so my total is now 5, well 6 (for the couple).

                            You used the word "countless" like there were so many winners being killed you couldn't

                            even count them (because that's what the word countless means) thought I missed a whole lot of stories

                            here on LP.

                             

                            Okey, dokey! So overall lottery winners are safe!Smiley

                            Many stories don't make national headlines, not all lottery murders are over millions, but some  are as low as 500 hundred dollars.

                            In Detroit you can die just for taking the last chicken wing, true story.

                            Did you exchange a walk on part in the war ?

                            For a lead role in a cage?

                             

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                              I'm sorry but why else would you or anyone else mention terrorism, watch list or anything else in the like? What does someone winning the lottery have to do with terrorism?