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Man in Iraq wins $6.4 million Oregon Lottery jackpot

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Posted: December 11, 2015, 11:58 pm - IP Logged

Many stories don't make national headlines, not all lottery murders are over millions, but some  are as low as 500 hundred dollars.

In Detroit you can die just for taking the last chicken wing, true story.

Not to mention the number of attempted murders, or the "almost hired, murderer-for-hire, in order to get rid of some lottery winner, so a relative or some "friend" can get their grubby hands on it. Winning the lottery is NOT the safest thing that can happen to you. The lottery has a huge downside that most people that win find out about all to well. But most get through it ok. The biggest problem is that there is no "prior experience" for someone that has won the lottery for the first time, so they are most at risk. I think most lotteries actually do offer advice to new lottery winners, but listening to, and/or using that advice are two very different things. Still, I'd love to win. I'd keep a low profile, I'm getting old, so I can leave my ego out of it at this point in my life. I won't feel that I would need to yell to the world that I won big. Just my 2 cents.

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    "So, if they will let this guy stay anonymous because the win might put him in danger, why won't they extend the same courtesy to US???"

    Because the danger to "US" is mostly in your head, whereas the danger to a lottery winner living in Iraq is much more likely to be real.

    In case there's any confusion, the lottery decided not to release his name because he lives in Iraq, not because he's Iraqi. I expect that if you move to Iraq (or a number of other places) before claiming a prize you could convince them not to release your name, at least if they believed it would be difficult for you to move out of Iraq.

    "There's not  a single racist comment on this thread so far"

    You're right. When posters speculate that he might be a terrorist or wonder "if anyone bothered to check to see if he was on a terror watch list?" it's probably just because he's Iraqi.

    That means it's just plain all-purpose bigotry, rather than racism.

    Do you know anything about the lottery??  Do you know anything about lottery winners in the US?  I would say no you don't know anything at all!  There are countless stories of lottery winners in the US that are assaulted or killed over lottery winnings not to mention lottery thefts!  I automatically think of the man in Florida that was killed and buried by a real estate agent/broker for his lottery winnings!  Please think and research and think again before you post!

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      Do you know anything about the lottery??  Do you know anything about lottery winners in the US?  I would say no you don't know anything at all!  There are countless stories of lottery winners in the US that are assaulted or killed over lottery winnings not to mention lottery thefts!  I automatically think of the man in Florida that was killed and buried by a real estate agent/broker for his lottery winnings!  Please think and research and think again before you post!

      I for one am happy for this Iraqi Kurd.  Shiites would no doubt kill him and his family if his name was released.  I could care less what origin of country a winner comes from, doesn't affect me in the least.  I do hope he gets his family out of that hell hole of a country.

       My question is with the IRS; how will he get a refund since he is not a citizen?  Tax laws aren't my speciality and maybe the stronghold of the IRS doesn't care where you are...you've got to pay.  BTW he has a tax liability of 20 years!

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        Posted: December 12, 2015, 9:16 am - IP Logged

        Since he is not a resident of the US will he be required to pay US Federal and Oregon State taxes on his lottery winnings? I would be curious to know if anyone has any answers or insight on this topic.

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          Posted: December 12, 2015, 12:01 pm - IP Logged

          My thoughts exactly.

          Who got the number ?

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            Since he is not a resident of the US will he be required to pay US Federal and Oregon State taxes on his lottery winnings? I would be curious to know if anyone has any answers or insight on this topic.

            According to the story:

            "Rather than a lump-sum payment, the winner chose to take his payout over 20 years. The agency made the first payment of $256,000 last week (after withholding income taxes, as is the typical procedure). The Megabucks cash lump sum payment would have been $3.2 million — half the jackpot amount, before taxes are paid."

            "There is no such thing as luck; only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe."

            ~Robert A. Heinlein

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              Posted: December 12, 2015, 12:41 pm - IP Logged

              Ticket bought online; Lottery withholds winner's name for security reasons

              For the first known time in the Oregon Lottery's 30-year history, the ticket for a winning big jackpot has been sold through an international online lottery ticket sales site — and the $6.4 million prize goes to an Iraqi national whose ticket was bought in Bend, and whose name won't be revealed in order to protect him from danger in his homeland, officials confirmed Wednesday.

              "We sell a lot of megabucks tickets, they come in with hands full of them," said Judy Bell-Putis, owner of Binky's on Southeast Third Street in Bend.

              One of those tickets turned out to crack the jackpot.

              "That doesn't happen very often, so it was exciting for us to be sold here," Bell-Putis said Wednesday.

              On Aug. 24, theLotter.com hired someone go to Binky's, a deli and lottery ticket sales outlet, and buy a Megabucks ticket on behalf of a Website customer, who as it turned out is an Iraqi national.

              No winner came forward until Dec. 1, when the man walked into the Oregon Lottery's Salem headquarters to claim his prize — and to spark a round of legal inquiry about the unique (to this point) circumstances of the big win.

              "This is absolutely unprecedented for the Oregon Lottery," said Chuck Baumann, lottery spokesman.

              Baumann said Wednesday that such online sales are legal in this case, though the lottery itself does not sell tickets online. 

              Rather than a lump-sum payment, the winner chose to take his payout over 20 years. The agency made the first payment of $256,000 last week (after withholding income taxes, as is the typical procedure). The Megabucks cash lump sum payment would have been $3.2 million — half the jackpot amount, before taxes are paid.

              Lottery officials said they sought legal advice and were told the purchaser did nothing wrong and he should be paid. But the lottery's own Website notes that it's a murky issue: "Internet wagering is a complex issue involving both state and federal law, as well as a number of regulatory, technological and security challenges."

              Lottery rules also state that the winning ticketholder's name is public record, but the winner in this case asked that his name be withheld.

              The winner is an Iraqi Kurd living in Baghdad. After traveling from the Mideast, the man strolled into lottery headquarters in Salem on Dec. 1 with little advance notice and presented the winning ticket.

              While the Oregon Lottery doesn't sell tickets online, Lottery Director Jack Roberts said he was advised that the man didn't do anything wrong and should get his winnings. The man was also able to persuade lottery officials not to release his name, although it is a public record under Oregon law.

              "In this case, I made the decision based on talking to the guy," said Roberts. "I do believe that there is a personal safety risk to him and his family... I would hope that people would respect the reasons for not giving the name. It's not going to mean anything to them, but it could to someone halfway around the world."

              Roberts said the man — described as being in his 40s, personable and speaking relatively good English — made a convincing case that he and his family could be at risk of being killed or kidnapped if it was known that he had come into a large sum of money. Baghdad is one of the world's most dangerous cities, and an ethnic Kurd can stand out in a city dominated by Shiites.

              theLotter.com, based in Israel, allows customers to buy lottery tickets from all over the world.

              According to website's FAQ page, the site has a London mailing address and The Lotter Enterprises Ltd. is registered in Belize. It says all prizes are commission-free, though it charges a hefty fee for the initial ticket purchase — $3 worth of Megabucks tickets cost $9 — and if one wins a jackpot, "theLotter will fly you to the country" where it happened, "our local office representative will hand you your winning ticket" and will tell you how to claim the prize.

              With that kind of system, Oregon Lottery officials acknowledge there's no way of really knowing if it's the first jackpot won through an online site, only that it's the first they they were informed of such, and in very unusual circumstances.

              While Bell-Putis and her son were hoping to have the winning ticket themselves, selling the ticket might have been the next best thing for them.

              Binky's gets a "selling bonus," as the lottery's contract with retailers stipulates, of 1 percent of the prize, up to $100,000 — so in this case, the deli's bonus is $64,000, Baumann said.

              "We're glad to have it," Bell-Putis said. "This is a real small store here."

              Rather than a lump-sum payment, the winner chose to take his payout over 20 years. The agency made the first payment of $256,000 last week (after withholding income taxes, as is the typical procedure).

              Interesting. Prior to October 4th, the annuity for this game was 25 years. Now it is 30 years. Where does the 20 years come from?

              Please see this article: http://www.ktvz.com/news/lottery-still-waiting-to-hear-from-bends-big-jackpot-winner/34917810

              If the chances of winning the jackpot are so slim, why play when the jackpot is so small? Your chances never change, but the potential payoff does.
              If a crystal ball showed you the future of the rest of your life, and in that future you will never win a jackpot, would you still play?

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                I'm afraid you don't understand what "bigotry" means. LOL  You can't be a "bigot" by judging a person based on what country they are from.

                Bigotry has to do with an intolerance against someone based on what their opinions are -- which is closer to what YOU have posted!

                I'm pretty sure you're much smarter than sully, but you've still got a narrow and incomplete understanding of what bigotry means. Even so, that limited definition doesn't change anything. The response of some posters isn't simply because he's Iraqi, but because they're making assumptions about his opinions based on his being Iraqi.

                As for my post, the fact that somebody recognizes bigotry doesn't mean they're a bigot themselves. That said, I guess I too am a bigot, since I have some level of intolerance for the views of those who actually are  terrorists. Even when they're US citizens.

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                  That's itWhat? So you just added two more so my total is now 5, well 6 (for the couple).

                  You used the word "countless" like there were so many winners being killed you couldn't

                  even count them (because that's what the word countless means) thought I missed a whole lot of stories

                  here on LP.

                   

                  Okey, dokey! So overall lottery winners are safe!Smiley

                  The number of winners who have been harmed, besides being a tiny fraction of winners, is only part of the story. Maybe sully is being deliberately misleading, or perhaps she's just not able to understand the complete story, but most victims are their own worst enemies. That's especially true of her list.

                  The first couple hadn't presented the ticket to the lottery, so it's very obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ that the lottery's policies on anonymity had nothing to do with it. Then there's the limited "evidence" that it was related to the lottery at all. The cops believe the house was connected to the drug market. If they believe that it's entirely possible hat the  killers believed it, even if it's not true. Either way, the couple apparently made it well know that they won the lottery. Arthur Neal's story is about the same, minus the drug angle. The family says he  won the lottery, but he never claimed a prize. The family says his house was ransacked, but the police said "the house didn’t look like it had been ransacked.” In both cases the family claims the murders were a result of winning the lottery, but there's no proof that any of them actually won. What is absolutely certain is that there were no press conferences, so having their names released by the lottery very clearly wasn't a factor.

                  Khan almost certainly was killed for his lottery winnings. He was poisoned with cyanide just hours after the press conference. His wife reportedly tried to cash the check within the next few days. The money, along with the rest of his estate, went to his wife and daughter.

                  Shakespeare is the only one who was clearly targeted by a stranger. Shakespeare gave his convicted killer legal authority over at least some of his money. The murder was apparently an attempt to cover her theft.

                  The only other one I know of off the top of my head is  William "Bud" Post. Somebody tried to have him killed, but was unsuccessful. That person was his brother.

                  So instead of "countless" winners turning up dead we've got 5 (I'll assume sully can count that high), only two of which were definitely lottery winners, plus one guy who somebody tried to kill. Of those 5 only one can possibly be because the lottery didn't let them remain anonymous.  That's not a real danger. It's a tiny risk that disproportionately effects those who are ignorant, uneducated, or stupid. The people who post here routinely claim that they're capable of successfully managing a lottery win, so where's the problem?

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                    I used to play on thelotter awhile ago but stop because of all the uncertainty with the online gambling bill congress passed and the fact that I didn't really know that I'd get my money. I think this is huge and will be a big boon for thelotter, since they've proven that they do as they say and you will get your money.

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                      Many stories don't make national headlines, not all lottery murders are over millions, but some  are as low as 500 hundred dollars.

                      In Detroit you can die just for taking the last chicken wing, true story.

                      Sheesh, can't you just say you exaggerated when you said "I think Abraham Shakespear might disagree, or the countless other lottery winners who have turned up dead"?

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                        Sheesh, can't you just say you exaggerated when you said "I think Abraham Shakespear might disagree, or the countless other lottery winners who have turned up dead"?

                        How many have to be dead for you?

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                          I don't care that he won, If the State of Oregon is going to give him special treatment, they need to extend that same treatment to anyone who wins in Oregon.

                          I don't care how dangerous his homeland is, Dangerous to live here also.

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                            The number of winners who have been harmed, besides being a tiny fraction of winners, is only part of the story. Maybe sully is being deliberately misleading, or perhaps she's just not able to understand the complete story, but most victims are their own worst enemies. That's especially true of her list.

                            The first couple hadn't presented the ticket to the lottery, so it's very obvious to anyone with a room temperature IQ that the lottery's policies on anonymity had nothing to do with it. Then there's the limited "evidence" that it was related to the lottery at all. The cops believe the house was connected to the drug market. If they believe that it's entirely possible hat the  killers believed it, even if it's not true. Either way, the couple apparently made it well know that they won the lottery. Arthur Neal's story is about the same, minus the drug angle. The family says he  won the lottery, but he never claimed a prize. The family says his house was ransacked, but the police said "the house didn’t look like it had been ransacked.” In both cases the family claims the murders were a result of winning the lottery, but there's no proof that any of them actually won. What is absolutely certain is that there were no press conferences, so having their names released by the lottery very clearly wasn't a factor.

                            Khan almost certainly was killed for his lottery winnings. He was poisoned with cyanide just hours after the press conference. His wife reportedly tried to cash the check within the next few days. The money, along with the rest of his estate, went to his wife and daughter.

                            Shakespeare is the only one who was clearly targeted by a stranger. Shakespeare gave his convicted killer legal authority over at least some of his money. The murder was apparently an attempt to cover her theft.

                            The only other one I know of off the top of my head is  William "Bud" Post. Somebody tried to have him killed, but was unsuccessful. That person was his brother.

                            So instead of "countless" winners turning up dead we've got 5 (I'll assume sully can count that high), only two of which were definitely lottery winners, plus one guy who somebody tried to kill. Of those 5 only one can possibly be because the lottery didn't let them remain anonymous.  That's not a real danger. It's a tiny risk that disproportionately effects those who are ignorant, uneducated, or stupid. The people who post here routinely claim that they're capable of successfully managing a lottery win, so where's the problem?

                            Virginia lottery winner who uses wheelchair robbed after cashing ticket.

                            NC- Lottery winners house robbed by four masked men.

                            Canada - lottery winner robbed ,Lottery post.com/news/222046

                            Jack Whittaker , car robbed of cash while he sat in strip club drinking.

                            Charlotte- Caught on tape , lottery winner robbed.

                            Ohio man wins lottery, beaten and robbed Lotterypost.com/news/267029

                            Sorry the bodies aren't stacked up to the ceiling, but the simple fact, lottery winners are targets and all these people are victims.

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                              How many have to be dead for you?

                              You did say "countless" so it's too many to be counted. Does "countless" mean counted on one hand to you?