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Investigators claim Calif. Lottery paying out jackpots it shouldn't to avoid bad press

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Posted: October 30, 2016, 3:52 pm - IP Logged

They do know the time and place where the ticket was sold but there are problems that come up. Let's say there was a winning lottery ticket for a $500 million jackpot. The ticket was sold at 7/11 on Wednesday 6:35 PM.

They look at the surveillance footage for someone buying a lottery ticket at 7/11 on Wednesday 6:35 PM but there are multiple people buying lottery tickets. Who do you award the money to? When lotto fever kicks in I've seen the lines at 7/11 go all the way down to the curb. I could easily imagine 100 tickets sold in a one minute period of time to more than one person. Some 7/11s even have 2 or 3 terminals that sell tickets that complicates the situation even more.

Also how would anyone know the time on the surveillance footage is synchronized with the clock at the lottery headquarters? The record at the lottery headquarters shows when the winning ticket was bought but the time on the surveillance footage is off.

No ticket. No money simple as that. The ticket should always be the bearer instrument. Allowing people to claim money without the ticket is just asking for fraud.

I'm wondering if buying tickets on a debot card would solve some of these problems?

My understanding is that you can't buy tix in nost states with credit cards, but at gas pump terminals that also sell lottery tickets you can use your debit card which can only reasonably be used by one self or one's partner.

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    I'm wondering if buying tickets on a debot card would solve some of these problems?

    My understanding is that you can't buy tix in nost states with credit cards, but at gas pump terminals that also sell lottery tickets you can use your debit card which can only reasonably be used by one self or one's partner.

    You know what would solve some of these problems?

     

     

    Don't lose your f**king ticket!!!!

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      Posted: October 30, 2016, 5:09 pm - IP Logged

      You know what would solve some of these problems?

       

       

      Don't lose your f**king ticket!!!!

      Never have.

      Nolege is power.

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        Posted: October 30, 2016, 6:47 pm - IP Logged

        Paying out on one lost ticket claim but not another which you say there is no doubt the claimant is the actual buyer of the lost winning ticket, just asks for a law suit. I hope that is what happens.

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          Posted: October 31, 2016, 12:56 am - IP Logged

          "The California Lottery wanted to avoid bad publicity. Now they have what they feared."

          This sounds to me like a situation where the adage about there being no such thing as bad publicity is definitely true. I'm sure some people who don't play the lottery wish the state kept the money, but why would people who do play be less likely to buy a ticket because they find out that the lottery occasionally pays prizes when the player can't prove they really won?

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            Posted: October 31, 2016, 1:50 am - IP Logged

            No ticket, no payout.....seriously....If you don't treat your tix like cash, you shouldn't bother playing...

            "Don't waste time, it's the stuff life's made of..."

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              Posted: October 31, 2016, 12:51 pm - IP Logged

              Crazy

              What do you expect from the Loony Left Coast LOL! 

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                Crazy

                What do you expect from the Loony Left Coast LOL! 

                 How about some fruits and nuts?  Some of our greatest exports to the world.

                 I've been rich and I've been poor. Believe me, rich is better. 

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                  You know what would solve some of these problems?

                   

                   

                  Don't lose your f**king ticket!!!!

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                  Exactamundo, Mr. Whiteballz.

                  Don't lose the doggone ticket.

                  You should see me when I get my tickets and have my slips all flat and ready
                  to hand to the cashier, out of my vinyl envelope. I'm very protective of them.
                  You'd think I have O.C.D. or something.

                  Keep tickets in a 'sacred' place. If you hand them to the cashier all
                  wrinkled and dog-eared, you've not kept them in a safe place.

                  You may have likely just shoved your tickets into a pocket with your keys,
                  loose change and the like.

                  Groppo

                  • Don't chase the numbers you play.
                  • Play only numbers you've already played, plus however many random picks.
                  • But, ALWAYS the regular numbers you play.  This will make you a winner, not a chaser.
                            (so far, though, I've yet to win any significant lotto prize)
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                    Posted: October 31, 2016, 5:41 pm - IP Logged

                    Why should the Lottery unduly benefit from a lost ticket if there is sufficient evidence of who bought the winning ticket? 

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                      Posted: October 31, 2016, 7:13 pm - IP Logged

                      Why should the Lottery unduly benefit from a lost ticket if there is sufficient evidence of who bought the winning ticket? 

                      It says on the backs of tickets, "This ticket is a bearer instrument". Those are legal terms. "Subject to rules and regulations" etc. They have their rules

                      In a court of law you can not bend the rules as you see fit. That is bias or prejudice etc. And it would sound from this story that they are bending the rules. 

                      You could do anything you want to a ticket, all you need to claim the prize is the barcode. So if you rip the ticket into a thousand little pieces, then that is a pretty tough ticket to claim. You just need the barcode. I suppose if you had the actual play slip that was used for the ticket and you were also on video, then perhaps perhaps that could be sufficient and legal. There have been stories like that, I think when someone was trying to steal a ticket or something.

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                        It says on the backs of tickets, "This ticket is a bearer instrument". Those are legal terms. "Subject to rules and regulations" etc. They have their rules

                        In a court of law you can not bend the rules as you see fit. That is bias or prejudice etc. And it would sound from this story that they are bending the rules. 

                        You could do anything you want to a ticket, all you need to claim the prize is the barcode. So if you rip the ticket into a thousand little pieces, then that is a pretty tough ticket to claim. You just need the barcode. I suppose if you had the actual play slip that was used for the ticket and you were also on video, then perhaps perhaps that could be sufficient and legal. There have been stories like that, I think when someone was trying to steal a ticket or something.

                        Rules are bent in courts of laws ALL the time. Again, there is the legal concept of unjust enrichment.  The lottery shoudlnt benefit when they know who bought the ticket. And since  they have previously awarded it to people who have not had the ticket, their argument for denying someone else who lost their ticket who can prove that they are the true winner, is even weaker. 

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                          In Wisconsin unclaimed prize money is used to offset property taxes. In Ohio it is used to fund K-12 education programs. In New York the monies are returned to the prize pool. I don't see how you are assuming the lottery benefits in any way. 

                          The ticket is a bearer instrument. You can not be the bearer without the instrument. It's really as simple as that.

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                            The lottery is the state. The state is not paying out. They are being unjustly enriched. If it were so simple, they wouldnt have previously paid claims on lost tickets. 

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                              They don't pay claims on a lot of lost tickets. How are they being enriched. That money is part of the game. Not to get into the rules and the purpose of the game and the goals of the money raised. They are being enriched and using the money in many places to benefit state run programs that help people? That sounds good to me, I like that kind of enrichment. My kind of goals. In life. The people those education programs benefit are the people being enriched if you get my point. Do you know that if you go into any lotto store and dig through the box or the garbage bin with all the trash, that you will find winning tickets? Why is that? That's not my problem, that's the problem of the person who threw that ticket away. I mean why did they play just to throw the ticket away? That's the way pepole are. I've heard owners of stores tell me they found 4,000dollar 20dollar scratchers in the trash. Showed me too.

                              It's not surprising to me that someone would lose a ticket. It's surprising to me that they could claim a million without any such ticket.