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Investigators claim Calif. Lottery paying out jackpots it shouldn't to avoid bad press

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Posted: November 1, 2016, 2:07 am - IP Logged

In Wisconsin unclaimed prize money is used to offset property taxes. In Ohio it is used to fund K-12 education programs. In New York the monies are returned to the prize pool. I don't see how you are assuming the lottery benefits in any way. 

The ticket is a bearer instrument. You can not be the bearer without the instrument. It's really as simple as that.

This....I understand and agree to it, by playing lottery.

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    Posted: November 3, 2016, 3:05 am - IP Logged

    I kind of lost some faith in the lottery after reading this story.  If anything the CA Lottery paying this man has put a bad image on them and makes me wonder how many other times have they done this.  I agree they should have stood their ground and fought it. 

    Now as I think of it, I have seen some weird lines on my lottery scratchers and it could be due to pinning.

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      Posted: November 3, 2016, 9:32 am - IP Logged

      They don't pay claims on a lot of lost tickets. How are they being enriched. That money is part of the game. Not to get into the rules and the purpose of the game and the goals of the money raised. They are being enriched and using the money in many places to benefit state run programs that help people? That sounds good to me, I like that kind of enrichment. My kind of goals. In life. The people those education programs benefit are the people being enriched if you get my point. Do you know that if you go into any lotto store and dig through the box or the garbage bin with all the trash, that you will find winning tickets? Why is that? That's not my problem, that's the problem of the person who threw that ticket away. I mean why did they play just to throw the ticket away? That's the way pepole are. I've heard owners of stores tell me they found 4,000dollar 20dollar scratchers in the trash. Showed me too.

      It's not surprising to me that someone would lose a ticket. It's surprising to me that they could claim a million without any such ticket.

      Enrichment is a legal term of are. You are giving it a lay definition.   Again, besides the unjust enrichment argument the fact that they paid out some claims and not others where there was no doubt as to the ownership of the lost ticket, the lottery shot themselves in the foot. I hope the person who lost the ticket sues. 

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        Posted: November 3, 2016, 11:36 am - IP Logged

        Ok perhaps I was too haste in assuming that if you lost the ticket then you lost everything you should've won entirely. All Lotto commissions have claims departments that deal and investigate into these circumstances. It really depends what they find or determine. Your jackpot would be based solely entirely on their decision of whether or not you are the rightful ticket holder. You would have to be able to answer definitively some very specific and detailed questions. If you lose it and someone else finds it, well then the old adage of finders keepers is definitely true. Unless you sign the back of it. I suppose unjust enrichment etc, but I don't see it that way. Because they have rules that govern claims, and they have rules that govern how they do business. Each lottery jurisdiction has different rules I suppose on lost tickets. In NY, on the backs of tickets it says, This ticket is a bearer instrument. That's pretty clear to me what that means.

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          Posted: November 3, 2016, 11:55 am - IP Logged

          And since we're getting legal here . The only time I have seen "unjust enrichment" apply against the lottery is if a game was rigged, as in the example of 'Hot Lotto', or if a scratch off ticket was continued to be sold after all the jackpot prizes had been claimed. Those are examples of the Lottery getting unjustly enriched. The example of 'pinning' in this story is an example of being unjustly enriched. That's rigging. But that's not the Lottery doing it, it just says they're not cracking down on the retailers that do. In fact it sounds to me like the alleged winner is the person getting unjustly enriched. Which is what I've said in the first place.