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Mystery NH Powerball lottery winner gets her prize, keeps her privacy — for now

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"However, the longer she gets "allowed" to remain anonymous is a great potential precedent for future winners."

If there's any precedent at this point it's just being allowed to claim the money before the lawsuit is resolved. Since we're still waiting on the ruling I don't think it's accurate to say that she's being allowed to remain anonymous. She's just being allowed to claim the prize while the court decides if it's the name she already signed on the ticket that gets released, or the name of the trust she's using to collect the prize. Once the ruling is issued future winners won't have the benefit of waiting for a ruling because the matter will already be settled.

"l have yet to read of any of his money going to that and other causes."

There could be any number of reasons for using the name "Good Karma", but based on the number of times I've seen something about her lawyer telling the media about her plans to donate to charity I'm less than convinced that the reason in this case is based on an intent to do good things with the money and give selflessly. It could be all/mostly about creating a public perception, and possibly targeted toward the very near future as the court case proceeds, and it would certainly be a great name for somebody who wants to make a public spectacle of their donations.

Regardless of what name you use it's also possible to give discreetly or anonymously. I don't see any real downside to having your name listed as one of the many people who donated $10, $25, or $100 to some cause, but there's a very definite downside to having your name connected to donations of 10, 25, or 100 grand, assuming you want to make your own decisions without being pestered by people looking for a handout. The guy you're talking about may not even have donated his old socks to Goodwill, or he may have donated millions of dollars anonymously or with the stipulation that the gifts not be publicized.

"Couldnt anyone who wins then sue the state to 'change the rules'"

If you get busted for making kiddie porn you can file a lawsuit claiming that the state is violating your rights under the first amendment, but that doesn't mean you'd have a chance of winning. In this case there's the obvious logic that NH law doesn't specifically require the name of the actual person who wins to be released, and if she hadn't made the mistake of signing her own name she could have had the name of the trust and it's trustee released instead. The argument that she should still be able to claim as a trust and not have her name released makes sense, but that doesn't mean that it's permissible based on what the law says. IMHO, the lottery's argument that the law says that the ticket is a public document and would be void if altered doesn't allow room for a ruling that what she wants is legal, even if it's logical.

Likewise, any lawsuits filed by future winners will win or lose based on the law and the facts of the case. In the event that she wins judges in other jurisdictions can accept the ruling as persuasive precedent, but the only binding precedent that will be established is that winners in NH can sign their own name and then claim as a trust. Thanks to this case I'd imagine that most NH players now know that they shouldn't use their own name.

 

"I started signing the back of my tickets ... The Pete Utah Family Trust"

There are at least 2 possible problems with signing the name of an entity that you don't already own. It's not likely, but you could be signing somebody else's name on the ticket.  Creating a name for a trust is just like creating a name for a business. You need to do a search and make sure that the name you want isn't already being used by somebody else. Even if nobody else is using the name you're still not signing with a name that protects your ownership interest if the Pete Utah Family Trust doesn't exist. If somebody got possession of your winning ticket they might beat you to the punch and create the trust before you.

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    Immunity???  I am sure any decision will be limited to the facts of the situation. Remember,  she did NOT win in an anonymous state.

    LOL!!!! What the (BLEEP) did I put immunity for?? Multi-tasking wins the day and reminds me to slow down. 

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      I'll say it again, it is definitely time for a Jackpot Winners Protection Program.

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        But a precedent in another state can still be cited in pleadings in other matters. It may not have as much weight, but it still helps even if it not binding on another state.

        Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.  We will rebuild!

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          LOL!!!! What the (BLEEP) did I put immunity for?? Multi-tasking wins the day and reminds me to slow down. 

          Lol

          Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.  We will rebuild!

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            I started signing the back of my tickets a long time ago by using the name of my first pet (Pete, the Parakeet) and the street I grew up on (Utah Ave).  So if y'all see a big prize claimed by The Pete Utah Family Trust, you know it is me. Banana Ha! Ha!

            PS  There is NO issue with you signing a trust name on the back. Keep doing it. Trusts are not filed or public documents so the probability of someone claiming it with the same trust name is not even worth worrying about and this trust is only to claim the money. Additional private trusts could be created after you received your money...for children, etc. ..but they are new trusts and your claiming trust ends after you receive the money.

            Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.  We will rebuild!

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              i'm just glad she got her money Green laugh

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                Artist77,

                How about every jackpot winner going the trust route from now on calling their trust The Ann Nonymous trust.

                "Ann Nonymous trust wins again!"

                Shocked

                Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

                Lep

                There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                  l can’t ever see CA going the anonymity route. Their handbook says “ You may form a Trust, but * we still going to tell people who you are, how much you won, and where the winning ticket was bought. The only “ out” you allowed, is if you hold the cardboard check high enough to hide your face...but it’s the name that gives you away. It’s a “ you can hide scenario, but you ain’t running nowhere.”

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                    Artist77,

                    How about every jackpot winner going the trust route from now on calling their trust The Ann Nonymous trust.

                    "Ann Nonymous trust wins again!"

                    Shocked

                    That is a good name CT.  I will add it to my list.

                     

                    Anna  N Mity?

                    Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.  We will rebuild!

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                      That is a good name CT.  I will add it to my list.

                       

                      Anna  N Mity?

                      I am going with  " Can't Decide about needing a Trust"

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                        l can’t ever see CA going the anonymity route. Their handbook says “ You may form a Trust, but * we still going to tell people who you are, how much you won, and where the winning ticket was bought. The only “ out” you allowed, is if you hold the cardboard check high enough to hide your face...but it’s the name that gives you away. It’s a “ you can hide scenario, but you ain’t running nowhere.”

                        "if you hold the cardboard check high enough to hide your face...but it’s the name that gives you away."

                        That's why I can't understand the reason for wearing a disguse when your name is going to be published. And the notion that the California Lottery will change its rules base on what the NH lottery does is silly at best.

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                          In old England, this wouldn't be an issue. The United Kingdom National Lottery, which is run by a Canadian company, is the most successful lottery in the world. All prizes are tax-free and winners have the right to remain anonymous, which the vast majority do.

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                            In old England, this wouldn't be an issue. The United Kingdom National Lottery, which is run by a Canadian company, is the most successful lottery in the world. All prizes are tax-free and winners have the right to remain anonymous, which the vast majority do.

                            Are you talking about Camelot? 

                             I guess that past winners saw what happened to Mark Gardiner and chose anonymity.

                             Most of U.S. winners have to deal with the press. It's like shaking a red flag in front of the bull of the tabloid press and the broadsheets. 

                             Marvin and Mae Acosta from Chino Hills chose the correct way to claim their one-third share of $1.6 billion dollar Power Ball jackpot. Won on Jan. 13, 2016 a Wednesday night. But their names will always be out there in the public sphere. 

                             If we could only learn from the U.K. 

                             "We are all in this together!" 

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                              "if you hold the cardboard check high enough to hide your face...but it’s the name that gives you away."

                              That's why I can't understand the reason for wearing a disguse when your name is going to be published. And the notion that the California Lottery will change its rules base on what the NH lottery does is silly at best.

                              Which is why l purchase ALL my tickets in neighboring cities Stack. My last name is German, and to the best of my knowledge, there are only 2-3 folks with that last name in the entire city l live in. In order to throw red meat in the opposite direction, l go an extra mile in an attempt to baffle the search hounds.lts the next best thing from breaking into a safe, using your toes. Have those fingerprint experts running around in circles.Big Smile

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