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Hoosier Lottery often pulls plug on high-dollar scratch-off games before all prizes can be won

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So you play the scratchers even though it sounds to you like a total ripoff which it is.

 

So even though you know this is an important issue and you should vote on it you will not.

 

Of course they will get away with it because of people like you. People who know something needs to be done but do not want to actually do anything to get it done and expect others to do it for them.

 

We have a word for people like you and that word is hypocrite. 

Ok, hold on!  I did not say that I play the scratchers regularly or would ever continue to play the scratchers.  I said I "rarely play the scratchers".  I buy one on my birthday every year and that is it.  I am a Powerball and Mega player and I don't play any other games. 

I think it is terrible that they are cheating people and I am very happy that I don't spend my money to give to the Hoosier Lottery.  This article is the first I even heard of it.  To be honest I didn't even know that a group that had taken over the Lottery.

The reason I said it would not play into my vote is there are many more pressing maters to vote on in our State House.  We all choose our elected officials for various reasons and I am not going to choose whom I vote for over a scratchier ticket.  Yes, I can see it now I have been wanting to vote this person out for the last four years but since he/she wants to change the lottery I will vote for him/her.  Or I am going to vote for this new candidate even though they oppose everything I believe in, but they want to change the lottery, so I should choose that person instead.  How does this make me a hypocrite?

But, this year on my birthday I will not purchase my annual scratch off but will buy an extra Powerball ticket instead.

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    So you play the scratchers even though it sounds to you like a total ripoff which it is.

     

    So even though you know this is an important issue and you should vote on it you will not.

     

    Of course they will get away with it because of people like you. People who know something needs to be done but do not want to actually do anything to get it done and expect others to do it for them.

     

    We have a word for people like you and that word is hypocrite. 

    WOW!

     

    No sugar on your Cheerios this morning?

     

    I'm getting a little tired of personal attacks on LP.  You read way too much into saylorgirl's reply.

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      I can see that they make better profits this way. As soon as enough scratch offs has been sold, they can stop the sale before someone wins the big ones. That's almost like cheating the customers out of the possibility of winning the big prize, and they probably do this over and over again.

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        michigan does the same thing, I hear the store owners complain about it all the time about the lottery pulling games that still have big prizes left but not those games that have none. 

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          the obvious solution is to not play scratch offs. going into to the right store at the right time and selecting the right type of ticket to play is a monumental task to overcome. more in favor of playing state lottery's games where you can select your own numbers or qp. nothing wrong with winning 1m-10m instead of bucking insurmountable odds that mm and powerbore offer.

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            If you can't win why play? Seriously !

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              the obvious solution is to not play scratch offs. going into to the right store at the right time and selecting the right type of ticket to play is a monumental task to overcome. more in favor of playing state lottery's games where you can select your own numbers or qp. nothing wrong with winning 1m-10m instead of bucking insurmountable odds that mm and powerbore offer.

              Your lucky to get to play scratch offs in Massachusetts; I see big winners all the time on our website.  Only thing I don't like about your scratchers is it says void if removed on the bottom.  Here and everywhere else I've played never seen that before.   Here we have to scratch to scan it to see/verify a winner.  Personally don't play them @ all, dumpster dive to recheck someone else's tickets...one time it was a $200 winner!!

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                the obvious solution is to not play scratch offs. going into to the right store at the right time and selecting the right type of ticket to play is a monumental task to overcome. more in favor of playing state lottery's games where you can select your own numbers or qp. nothing wrong with winning 1m-10m instead of bucking insurmountable odds that mm and powerbore offer.

                I used to play the Hoosier Lotto which is our state game however, they raised the price to $2 and its a RNG game which I do not like at all.  So I just stick with the two large jackpot games.

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                  WOW!

                   

                  No sugar on your Cheerios this morning?

                   

                  I'm getting a little tired of personal attacks on LP.  You read way too much into saylorgirl's reply.

                  I Agree!  I am thinking of removing the "no sugar" and replace it with "Who tinkled"

                  Integrity: There is just no substitute.

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                    Do a search for a member named LosingJeff and check out some of his posts about the Hoosier Lottery.

                    (Last post was in 2009).

                    Those who run the lotteries love it when players look for consistency in something that's designed not to have any. So many systems, so many theories, so few jackpot winners. 

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                    There is one and only one 'proven' system, and that is to book the action. No matter the game, let the players pick their own losers.

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                      I Agree!  I am thinking of removing the "no sugar" and replace it with "Who tinkled"

                      There is an abuse report option and Todd is responsive. It really help keep the trolls in control.

                      Je vous salue, Marie, pleine de grace.  We will rebuild!

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                        There is an abuse report option and Todd is responsive. It really help keep the trolls in control.

                        Neehhhhhhh Artist, I am from the old school of "stick n stones"...words/names on a computer screen are just that. Everyone using a computer screen is 10 feet tall and bullet proof but IRL, I have found the jellyfish trait often appears. It's all good Thumbs Up...... Time for one of us to win a lottery tonight !Patriot

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                          "More than 51 percent of high prize scratch-off game tickets worth more than $1 million have gone unclaimed ... because the company pulled the plug on those games before about half of the tickets could be sold."

                          That alone isn't a problem. It's the overall ratio of prizes sold to tickets sold that matters. If only 45% of the big prizes are awarded and only 45% of tickets are sold that's the same as awarding all of the pries and selling all of the tickets for a game that just didn't have as many tickets to begin with.  OTOH, if they're consistently selling a higher proportion of tickets than the proportion of prizes they're selling then it's definitely a problem. Of course that doesn't make it illegal, but I'd say it definitely makes the game(s) unfair.

                          FWIW, you don't need to vote based on this, or any other, single issue. Writing to your elected representatives can be very effective because they want you to vote for them next time around. I'm sure it wouldn't hurt to point out that if they're unwilling to stop the lottery from treating players unfairly you'll have to draw the conclusion that they're fine with the rest of the government treating people unfairly.

                           

                          "No sugar on your Cheerios this morning?"

                          Based on their other posts I think it's pretty obvious that they wouldn't be the sharpest thing in a bowl full of soggy Cheerios.

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                            Liked the way you handled that response from crackerjack SaylorG. Cool ...it has to be the water.

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                              So, here is the missing piece of information.  Do you know how they get low sales numbers for a game they want pulled?  They push new games out that compete for the same spot in the bins.  They know how many retailers there are in a state and the total number of display bins.  They say the games are pulled due to low sales which is not untrue.  The low sales are generated by the constant release and targeted release of competing games.  There is a 10$ game right now they will do this with.  They have the lottery reps instruct the stores on which games they recommend pulling for the new games.

                               

                              https://hoosierlottery.com/games/scratch-offs/current-games/2193-$5,000-frenzy-multiplier

                               

                              This game was pulled from every store i visit on the notion of making space for the newer 10 dollar games.  Right now it's over 2/3rds of the way sold through and they will end this game when the last 2nd chance draw is completed.  There are 2/3 top prizes remaining with under 33% of tickets remaining.  You do the math the game is in a players favor, but the problem is you can't buy this game anywhere except at the lotto office which also screws retailers out of any bonuses of selling a large value ticket.  They've systematically setup a system of theft on top of already being guaranteed a certain percentage on what they already make.  There are only a couple of places where you can even buy this game and it was one of the most popular where I played it.  Of course they don't want to send this game out.  They've got the sales numbers down now to where they can end the game, but this game is heavily in the player's favor.  The people who run this states lottery that know about this should be arrested and carted off to jail.  The whole system of new tickets is designed to manipulate the pulling of older games in the states favor.  If the state gets into a position where the top prizes go out early they re-buy/re-order the game and keep it out longer, because they guarantee they won't lose.

                               

                              They also do this with countless other games selling into the last pool of tickets to a point where they know the last top prize won't be hit.  They will then have the retailers pull the games from display based on the notion new games are going to come out.  I really hope everyone quits playing, but the sad fact most people play on the notion of a dream that is even slimmer than they realize.