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Posted: December 5, 2004, 5:30 am - IP Logged
Quote: Originally posted by LANTERN on December 4, 2004



It appears as if Wind is using the 1 and the 0 as key numbers, so if the winning combo has one of those digits you will win (most of the time).

That is correct.  Win d is using "unique" numbers meaning no doubles.  When you look at the current draw to see if you have a winner, it there is a ZERO in the winning number and NO double or triple, you have a ticket that has those 3 digits.  If you played a box, you have a winning ticket.  If the number has a 1 in it and no double or triple, you MAY have a ticket with all 3 digits.

As to CalifDude he is using something similar to what I would use, what I have seen is that most combos will have at least 1 digit from 2 to 7 in them and many of them, but not as many will have 1 digit from 3 to 6, also the last draw will more often either have none or 1 winning digit than 2 and the last 2 draws will very often have at least 1, but not 3 winning numbers and the last 3 draws will very often have 2, but not 3 winning numbers.

I am using: lowest digit = 0-2, middle digit 1-8, highest digit 7-9.  My method also INCLUDES doubles.  My list is 50 numbers (because I don't play pure even or pure odd with this method). 

This is based on my extensive data base for California.

 

So very often 1 winning number will be found on the last 2 draws, 2 winning numbers will be found on the last 3 draws and 1 more winning number will be found somewhere past the 3rd draw.

Yes.

Of course, none of this is set and changes, this are just general observations.

Another observation, after many cycles (1000 draws = 1 cycle) the 0 to 9 ten digits tend to have come out or shown an almost equal ammount  or number of times, but not the individual 1000 combos themselves, but I might be wrong about this, but i don't think so.

With most of the methods used by people on this forum, what you are really doing is just playing the odds!  Many people don't ever play doubles.  Why?  Because they don't come in as often as non-double numbers.  Why?  There are fewer of them!!  The odds of 666 hitting is exactly the same as 129 (1000:1).  It is better to use filters based on 50/50 chance (ODD/EVEN is a purely 50/50, but there are others that are close to 50/50 (2 EVEN digits/2 ODD digits).

So it makes me wonder if it's not best to track the individual digits instead of the combos?

Maybe, but very often I see someone say "Position 1 has to be a 1, 3, 5, or 6 this next draw", and of course it is a 7!  I do follow digits, don't get me wrong, but I don't think the position can be predicted with any accuracy.





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    Hell I'm from Michigan my name is Jiggles. This is facinating. the number one has not fallen in the last 14 draws. My key numbers from my workout today is 1-7-9. So I had better start paying my number one combos now? And maybe I can get the pair by looking at Emma's pair list. I'm tired of chasing numbers for a hit. I would rather wait for it to show up and put a little bit more money on it. Thanks for any help you can give me

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      I meant Hello, sorry. I got excited.

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         Most people don't like Doubles because they can't take the rejection 72% of the time ..... and they are too impatient


        The next good strategy for me will probably involve doubles

         

         

        The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                      Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                      Odds never change .....but probability does. 

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          Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 5, 2004



                       


           Most people don't like Doubles because they can't take the rejection 72% of the time ..... and they are too impatient


          The next good strategy for me will probably involve doubles





          Of the 220 box numbers, 100 are doubles (including triples which are just special doubles), so 45% of the numbers are doubles. 


           

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            If I want to play 255 (one of my favorite doubles), I can play three $1 tickets and cover all combos.  Then when it hits at , I get paid 300:1. 

            If I want to play 019 (the number that has hit the most in California), I have to play SIX $1 tickets to cover all combos and it pays only 150:1 at .  It costs me twice as much and pays 1/2 as much!! 

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              Hey there CalifDude, speaking of 255 that was in CA on 10/07/04, so it may come around those states near CA or in CA very soon.

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                Thank you, Laverne.  Yes, I have made some very good money on that number in California! I will start playing it again on on your advice.

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                  Michigan is a different animal all together. I looked up the past history and what you propose hardly occurs here, very low percentage wise. Mid-day drawing here is WAY overdue for a double number 55's may drop again today but I really like 11's. Its been over a week for doubles on midday ( triples?). But thanks for sharing the info.Another tool to use ,if a trend starts like this.

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                    Quote: Originally posted by CalifDude on December 5, 2004



                    Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 5, 2004



                                 


                     Most people don't like Doubles because they can't take the rejection 72% of the time ..... and they are too impatient


                    The next good strategy for me will probably involve doubles





                    Of the 220 box numbers, 100 are doubles (including triples which are just special doubles), so 45% of the numbers are doubles. 


                     




                     Sorry CD.....but I miss the point and it may leave some folks with the impression that they have a 45% chance at a hit each day. The best chance they have each day is  27 % . Only 27% of the 1000 are doubles hitting once every 3 or 4 draws on average.

                     

                     

                    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                           Win d    

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                      This is the pay out rules from

                      Choose if you are playing your numbers Straight or Boxed. Straight means that your numbers must match the winning numbers in exact order. The Payout for a Pick 3 Straight ticket is 900 to 1. The Payout for a Pick 4 Straight ticket is 9,000 to 1. Boxed means your numbers can match the winning ticket in any order. This gives you more chances of winning, but your Payout is less. A Boxed Payout is calculated by dividing the Straight Payout by the number of chances you have with your Boxed numbers. For example if you play a Boxed Pick 3 numbers: 1-2-3, you have 6 different chances of winning and your Payout would be 900/6= 150 to 1. For another example if you play a Boxed Pick 3 numbers: 1-1-1, you still only have 1 chance of winning and your Payout would be 900/1= 900 to 1. See the Boxed Payouts section below to see all Boxed payouts.

                      A $1.00 box on o19 would pay $150 and pays all six ways the number can be made.  $150  A $6 ticket pays $900

                      A $1 box on 255 would pay $300.  A $300 pays $900

                      ez

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                        Posted: December 5, 2004, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

                        The best times to play these combos

                         will be around 12/23/04  til  1/6/05

                          More hits will happen during this time.

                          I will set a post to demonstrate.

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                          Quote: Originally posted by takeitez on December 5, 2004



                          This is the pay out rules from

                          Choose if you are playing your numbers Straight or Boxed. Straight means that your numbers must match the winning numbers in exact order. The Payout for a Pick 3 Straight ticket is 900 to 1. The Payout for a Pick 4 Straight ticket is 9,000 to 1. Boxed means your numbers can match the winning ticket in any order. This gives you more chances of winning, but your Payout is less. A Boxed Payout is calculated by dividing the Straight Payout by the number of chances you have with your Boxed numbers. For example if you play a Boxed Pick 3 numbers: 1-2-3, you have 6 different chances of winning and your Payout would be 900/6= 150 to 1. For another example if you play a Boxed Pick 3 numbers: 1-1-1, you still only have 1 chance of winning and your Payout would be 900/1= 900 to 1. See the Boxed Payouts section below to see all Boxed payouts.

                          A $1.00 box on o19 would pay $150 and pays all six ways the number can be made.  $150  A $6 ticket pays $900

                          A $1 box on 255 would pay $300.  A $300 pays $900

                          ez





                          Yes!  That is exactly what I have been saying for months, but thank you, ez, for saying it again.  Sometimes people miss some posts and don't understand what's being said, so your restating it helps.

                          The last line of course should read: A $1 box on 255 would pay $300.  A $3 box pays $900.

                          That's why I just always play box at .  I only have to put the number in once instead of playing 3 straight tickets.  It pays the same either way, as you have pointed out.


                           

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                            Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 5, 2004



                            Quote: Originally posted by CalifDude on December 5, 2004



                            Quote: Originally posted by WIN D on December 5, 2004



                                         


                             Most people don't like Doubles because they can't take the rejection 72% of the time ..... and they are too impatient


                            The next good strategy for me will probably involve doubles





                            Of the 220 box numbers, 100 are doubles (including triples which are just special doubles), so 45% of the numbers are doubles. 


                             




                             Sorry CD.....but I miss the point and it may leave some folks with the impression that they have a 45% chance at a hit each day. The best chance they have each day is  27 % . Only 27% of the 1000 are doubles hitting once every 3 or 4 draws on average.




                            You're right Win d.  Here is the stats from the last 100 draws (so the numbers are also the percentage of hits) for the 5 states that I track:

                            Texas  26

                            South Carolina  25

                            Georgia  26

                            Florida  29

                            California 30

                            So, I can expect a double to hit at least 1 out of 4 tries.  My point was (and still is) that I like playing doubles because they pay twice as much as non-doubles at .  And, if I'm trying for a straight (I usually play box), I can cover all possible combos of a double with 3 tickets rather than 6.  Your 27% of the 1000 being doubles is why what I have said is correct.  For each of the 220 box (or unique) numbers the doubles expand 3 times for the list of 1000 and the non-doubles expand 6 times.  That is why pays twice as much for a double box. 

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                              I took tiers 1 and 2, plus the no hit combos from 336 deflate/crunch for Ga evening. I had 1 and 0 as key numbers and this is it. Not sure if it is much help for you, it cut it down 13 numbers from the 60. Well make that 17 that it cut it down, the dreaded four are in there.  169, 178, 179, and 189.....this is for the Ga eve 

                              Results: 47

                              Tier 2
                              514(145) 916(196) 203(320) 913(319) 132(132) 506(506) 209(029) 018(810) 401(401) 038(308) 708(780) 016(160) 817(871) 036(306) 318(183) 128(218) 530(503) 908(980) 731(317) 620(206)

                              Tier 1
                              129 571 710 097 640 417 024 198 750 418 914 086 631 142 164 015 621 409 351 028 039 045 059 069 125 156 179

                              The blue ones are the no hit combos for 338 draws now. 908 hit tonight. 


                              Input:
                              514 145 916 196 203 320 913 319 132 132 506 506 209 029 018 810 324 423 401 401 834 834 643 463 753 753 038 308 708 780 016 160 867 876 856 568 817 871 036 306 936 693 362 236 653 563 318 183 253 532 128 218 589 985 467 476 530 503 908 980 731 317 698 896 620 206 437 347 129 497 972 468 571 710 973 097 640 417 024 198 750 452 418 914 086 754 631 975 142 429 164 015 675 659 863 283 268 621 409 945 345 351 264 028 039 045 059 069 125 156 179 237 239 258 259 267 359

                              Filters:
                              Key Numbers: 0, 1
                              Number Types: Singles

                                 

                                  gilla