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Posted: December 9, 2004, 9:44 pm - IP Logged

 

      I've just finished reading "The Lottery Book" by Don Catlin, profssor emeritus

      of mathematics at Univ. Mass. He descibes the lotteries all over the USA.

      But he does not offer any winning strategies but a solid tip: "don't let anyone

      tell you that he has a winning strategy, it's simply rubbish. There are characters who

      will offer to sell you a  strategy. Don't buy them; they are wothless."

      And yet, the book is eminently readable and I urge you all to do so. I get no take.

      Bertil

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    I found the promotion for the book loaded with mis-information. What part did you find worth the price of the book? 

    I wonder why he thinks strategies are worthless. Personally I think that's totally stupid.  I agree no strategy can guarantee a jackpot, but there are certainly smarter ways to play so you're not throwing away your money in a manner that makes winning virtually impossible.

    Simply not including the winning numbers from the previous draw in your combinations for the next draw sweeps over half the combinations off the table and proves a correct strategy in almost half the drawings in 6/49 games and larger. 

    True the overall odds balance out because it's a closed number universe, but it is certainly possible to improve your odds in some draws with a strategy when it proves correct. 

    Somewhere between a guaranteed winning strategy that doesn't work and doing nothing what-so-ever to help yourself allows plenty of room for an edge over the other players on line.

    BobP

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      BERTIL:



      GREAT POST.....thanks for information (not dreams) like you have shared about perhaps, a well written BOOK.



      Winning takes a lottt-of luck....but LUCK plays a big,

      biggg......PART!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



      WE are all Great, but who wants to wait for the QUICKPIXX.



      I do think the quick-pic is OK.....and about the best...............................................

      we can do????????.......otherwise.......we need LUCK and a winners....circle on LP. (NOT BAD IDEA)



      PSYKOMO

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        Quote: Originally posted by BobP on December 9, 2004


        I found the promotion for the book loaded with mis-information. What part did you find worth the price of the book? 

        I wonder why he thinks strategies are worthless. Personally I think that's totally stupid.  I agree no strategy can guarantee a jackpot, but there are certainly smarter ways to play so you're not throwing away your money in a manner that makes winning virtually impossible.

        Simply not including the winning numbers from the previous draw in your combinations for the next draw sweeps over half the combinations off the table and proves a correct strategy in almost half the drawings in 6/49 games and larger. 

        True the overall odds balance out because it's a closed number universe, but it is certainly possible to improve your odds in some draws with a strategy when it proves correct. 

        Somewhere between a guaranteed winning strategy that doesn't work and doing nothing what-so-ever to help yourself allows plenty of room for an edge over the other players on line.

        BobP



                  BobP, I can respect your rejection of  Catlin's redicule of systems but I

                wonder what factual mis-information you found. Please illustrate. I hope

                it does not refer to any of the mathematics he used.

                Also, I looked at the first 100 draws of the 5/53 part of Powerball and found

                  38 times when a number was repeated the next day. Thus you changed your

                odds of winning the jackpot substantially.which is what we all look for.

                  Bertil

               

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          He offers casino style advice such as not to play until the pot is larger then the odds, means nothing to lottery.

          Because the odds in lottery never change overall, the only way to improve your odds besides buying more tickets is to make an exchange with another draw.  By allowing yourself to lose in one draw by your strategy of play you can improve your odds in another when the strategy proves correct.  As we lose in most draws no matter what we do, in a sense we're doing this already without reaping the benifits. 

          Say I decide to play only even numbers from today forward.  When the draw of all even numbers comes up I'll be playing in a 6/24 game and my choice of wheel plus luck will determine what comes next.  In the mean time I'll win something every time three or more even numbers are drawn if I go with a wheel that includes 3if3 among the prize tier coverages.

          I don't play this way because it virtually guarantees I can't win the jackpot in 99 out of 100 draws, but it is a strategy for someone with the right circumstances to play this way who finds small wins exciting while waiting for the one big chance to win the jackpot.  BobP

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            You can lower your odds substantially by eliminating numbers drawn the previous draw in a jackpot game. 

            For example, using one of the simplest jackpot games, 5/30, the odds are 1 : 142,506.  Eliminating the previously drawn digits makes it a 5/25 game with odds of 1 : 53,130 or a 63% reduction in odds.  A repeat number in a 5/30 game happens about 50% of the time.

            So 50% of the time you have lowered your odds by 63% of winning the jackpot.  Mathematically it makes sense.

            Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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              BobP

              You make a good point, a winning strategy that ends up with the second prize wins the same amount regardless of the jackpot size so it makes little sense to just use it when the jackpot is huge.  If it is affordable, you should use it when ever you play.

              With an even numbers strategy, you would have had a chance to do well in these powerball drawings.

              02/18/04  04 24 36 44 50    02 *
              11/15/03  08 20 22 32 52    39
              06/14/03  12 26 40 42 50    03
              05/31/03  10 26 30 46 52    35
              04/19/03  10 18 40 46 48    30 *
              01/08/03  16 22 26 44 46    20 *

              and about the same with an odd numbers strategy.

              11/24/04  03 19 47 49 53    04
              05/08/04  03 09 17 37 43    39 *
              03/03/04  05 11 17 23 53    34
              07/05/03  05 17 25 37 49    21 *
              04/30/03  07 13 17 31 33    35 *
              03/22/03  05 29 31 47 49    25 *

              RJOh

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                All the talk about different methods of winning is very entertaining but that is all it is. And, I guess there is nothing wrong with trying to make something out of nothing. If any method worked, there would never be a major jackpot of any kind. I offer the recent $171-million lotto as my proof.  Just think, 342 million tickets were sold to create it.  Why didn't your methods win this jackpot?  Sorry boys but it is ALL LUCK!   

                I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!

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                  Quote: Originally posted by rabbitfoot on December 11, 2004



                  All the talk about different methods of winning is very entertaining but that is all it is.................. 




                  Entertaining and interesting is all it has to be.  What more do you expect?

                  RJOh

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                    Quote: Originally posted by rabbitfoot on December 11, 2004


                    All the talk about different methods of winning is very entertaining but that is all it is. And, I guess there is nothing wrong with trying to make something out of nothing. If any method worked, there would never be a major jackpot of any kind. I offer the recent $171-million lotto as my proof.  Just think, 342 million tickets were sold to create it.  Why didn't your methods win this jackpot?  Sorry boys but it is ALL LUCK!   


                    Try thinking of it as a race that doesn't always have to have a winner, but some entrants are closer to the finish line then others when it's over, especially those with second place wins. 

                    What is it today that everything has to be all or nothing?  Hunters have to learn how to creep up on their prey which often eludes them until they become better hunters. 

                    Work backwards from past lottery draws and there are likely methods that would have worked or try another game where something would have worked in some of the draws, now the choice is between things that sometimes work instead of doing nothing to help yourself what-so-ever besides dreaming about a win.

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                      Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on December 10, 2004



                      BobP

                      You make a good point, a winning strategy that ends up with the second prize wins the same amount regardless of the jackpot size so it makes little sense to just use it when the jackpot is huge.  If it is affordable, you should use it when ever you play.

                      With an even numbers strategy, you would have had a chance to do well in these powerball drawings.

                      02/18/04  04 24 36 44 50    02 *
                      11/15/03  08 20 22 32 52    39
                      06/14/03  12 26 40 42 50    03
                      05/31/03  10 26 30 46 52    35
                      04/19/03  10 18 40 46 48    30 *
                      01/08/03  16 22 26 44 46    20 *

                      and about the same with an odd numbers strategy.

                      11/24/04  03 19 47 49 53    04
                      05/08/04  03 09 17 37 43    39 *
                      03/03/04  05 11 17 23 53    34
                      07/05/03  05 17 25 37 49    21 *
                      04/30/03  07 13 17 31 33    35 *
                      03/22/03  05 29 31 47 49    25 *

                      RJOh





                                RJOh, your list of all odd is incorrect for 4/30/03. The 4th number was 32 not

                                31 according to MUSL records as well as mine. I've them tabulated so I can

                                determine the space between specific kinds of draws. This allows me to calcu-

                              late the mean space as 19 between the even and 45 between the odd draws.

                              We should expect every 32nd draw to be either all even or all odd. In 225

                              draws there might have been 7 of each but all projections are subject to

                              variance. So far the total seems to be only 11. I've no ability to do a computer

                              search for all odd or even, so I cannot verify your tabulation. I'm a numbers

                              freak and like to analyze interesting combinations.

                             

                              Bertil

                             

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                        Thanks Bertil,

                        I'll correct my data file.  Since MUSL puts out a text file, I'll see if I can find a program that will compare their text to my data in a text form. 

                        RJOh

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                          I agree, playing the lotto is entertainment for most of us just like posting messages on this board is also entertaining for us.  However, I maintain that all the number crunching in the world isn't going to win you a major jackpot or even 2nd place.  If you could just pick 3 numbers, you would be getting RICH off of pick 3 & 4.  FACT:  If numbers are truely random, number crunchers are barking up the wrong tree. 

                          But, if you get satisfaction from crunching numbers in hope that they're winners, there is nothing wrong with that either.  However, you are not going to win until LADY LUCK taps you on the shoulder.

                          I play to dream and dream of winning a major jackpot!