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Posted: March 13, 2005, 4:34 am - IP Logged

 Good day all. Let me first say, being a brand new member, hello to all and good luck in the future.

 I just recently moved up here from Ms. where we had no lottery, so I have never had any reason to do any type research into lotteries. But now that I have moved to Il. I am very intrested in this sorta thing. It seems, from my research so far, that every one is crazy about "wheels". Now, being just a dumb ole country boy who was never very good at math, some of the formulas that I have seen look very complicated. Can some one please break this down into plain english for me? I am thinking of becoming a premium member so I can have access to the wheels, but if I can't make heads or tails of them, there is no sence in wasting my money. Err,, MORE of my money. lol.

 Also. In the process of doing my research into the draw history for the Il lottery, I have found some of my fav. numbers, and I have been playing them. But I never hit. But I did notice that these numbers, even tho not winners, were within one or two numbers either way of the winners. So for like the last 5 drawings I have been within one or two either way of winning some money. For example if the winning numbers were 2 8 12 14 19 45, I would have 2 9 11 15 17 46. I am always off by five or six on one, so I will probably never win the jack pot, but I would be happy with four or five out of six. So I guess my question on this matter is this. Is this just " lottery fever " taking  over, or am I REALLY getting close? Is it normal to miss by such a small margin,, consistently? As I said earlier, I am not familiar with lotteries.

 With the lotto jack pot being over 20 million the last few weeks,, I have been playing more than I should. Not playing more than I can afford, I don't do that, but more than I should. And ONLY because I think I have been so close the last 6 draws. If this is normal, please let me know so I can save my money. lol.

 Well, thanks in advance for any and all advice offered. And, again, good luck to all of us on fulfilling our dream. Good night.

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    I could be wrong...but...if I understand wheels correctly, math is not a subject you need to know. Instead, the idea is to reduce say the Megamillions 52 numbers down to a group of say 16 numbers and then play those 16 numbers in various combinations that allow you to play ALL 16 numbers (in groups of 5) thereby assuming you will have at least 1 or more winning tickets. It is called a "wheel" because the "concept" is that you will dventually create a full circle and will be right back where you started at.

    If you check out the area (click Lottery Wheels to the left), you can pick 16 or 6 or whatever your fancy is and see it happen. Obviously, paid members get access to better toys, but that should help you get the gist of the idea.

    Now, on "wheeling" say cash 3 or 4 games, math is required. Do some searches, you will gain a lot of info that way.

    Good luck,

    Sir Metro

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      Posted: March 13, 2005, 5:22 pm - IP Logged

      Quote: Originally posted by NYDB40 on March 13, 2005


      It seems, from my research so far, that every one is crazy about "wheels".




      See this thread, if you haven't already. http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/105937/3 The greatest % of people here do not use wheels.

       






      Which wheels do you prefer?
      Nick Koutras wheels[ 1 ] [3.33%]
      None[ 11 ] [36.67%]
      Covermaster wheels[ 1 ] [3.33%]
      Only the "free wheels"[ 3 ] [10.00%]
      Other[ 7 ] [23.33%]
      All of them[ 3 ] [10.00%]
      Lotto Architect wheels[ 1 ] [3.33%]
      Robert Serotic wheels[ 3 ] [10.00%]
      Peter Rosendahl wheels[ 0 ] [0.00%]
      Total Valid Votes[ 30 ] 
      Discarded Votes[ 13 ]

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        Posted: March 13, 2005, 7:18 pm - IP Logged

        Maverick,

        Actually, that poll indicates that the vast majority of people DO use wheels.


        • Pct that uses wheels: 66.33%

        • Pct that doesn't use wheels: 36.67%

         

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        Help eliminate computerized drawings!

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          Posted: March 13, 2005, 7:41 pm - IP Logged

          True, 19 yes versus 11 no.

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            About pick 3 positional wheels.

            The errors multiply, otherwise it would not be as hard to win.

            Say that you had to guess one number (digit) from 0 to 9 (10 digits-a decade) you would pick 1 digit out of the ten, then maybe your chances would be about 10% of picking the right number (digit).

            Then you would pick 7 digits out of the 10 possible ones, then your chances of getting the right digit or number among those 7 might be about 70% perhaps (I don't know math so I can't be sure), of course this assumes that the numbers are picked with a true random number generator or with some real random method, if the digits are picked with some "proven" winning method(s) or system(s) then the chances of getting the right digit among the 7 might be higher than 70%.

            So random picking 7 out of 10 might give a 70% chance and if this is repeated a second time for a try at a second digit and getting both digits right, then the percent would decrease to less than 70% to I don't know what and if this is done a third time for a try or chance at the third digit, then the chances of winning on all 3 digits would decrease even more to very much less than 70%.

            Those the more positions that a positional wheel has, that more that your chances will decrease of getting the numbers right "on all wheel positions", non positional or all positions wheels are also of course very risky, of course the more digits used per position the better your chances and on all positions wheels the more numbers used also your better your chances, but the more that it will cost to buy and play, pick 3 and pick 4 positional wheels are mostly for playing "straight" and the other wheels for getting boxed numbers (they are much cheaper for the same chance, but boxed), but of course pay less if you win.

            What is wheeling?

            For a pick 3 positional wheel you have and use "3 wheels", 1 wheel per pick 3 number position:

            Say 2 digits per position on all 3 positions = 8 line or combos:

            1 7 0

            5 2 3

            1st-2nd-3rd.

            170

            173

            120

            123

            570

            573

            520

            523

            Boxed wheels work in a diferent way.

            0-1-2-3-4 boxed wheeled with doubles and triples:


            Results:

            000 001 002 003 004 011 012 013 014 022 023 024 033 034 044 111 112 113 114 122 123 124 133 134 144 222 223 224 233 234 244 333 334 344 444

            No. of Results: 35

            Only singles: 012,013,014,023,024,034,123,124,134,234.

            10 boxed numbers.

            Results:
            012 013 014 023 024 034 123 124 134 234
            No. of Results: 10

            Digits: 0123456    7 digits straight wheel with singles. doubles and triples. "LINEAR" straight wheel:

            Results:
            000 001 002 003 004 005 006 010 011 012 013 014 015 016 020 021 022 023 024 025 026 030 031 032 033 034 035 036 040 041 042 043 044 045 046 050 051 052 053 054 055 056 060 061 062 063 064 065 066 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 660 661 662 663 664 665 666
            No. of Results: 343

            Positional straight wheel:

            Position 1: 02479
            Position 2: 1468
            Position 3: 049

            Results:
            010 014 019 040 044 049 060 064 069 080 084 089 210 214 219 240 244 249 260 264 269 280 284 289 410 414 419 440 444 449 460 464 469 480 484 489 710 714 719 740 744 749 760 764 769 780 784 789 910 914 919 940 944 949 960 964 969 980 984 989
            No. of Results: 60

            Bye.

            What would I do with these wheels if I was playing? (I am not).  First I would play online mostly.

            For boxed wheels I would pick 5 to 7 digits. (for boxed play). Singles only or singles + doubles.

            For straight linear wheels I would pick 7 to 8 digits over-all for all positions. Singles only or singles + doubles

            For positional wheels I would pick from 3 to 8 digits per position. Straight play.

            Some thing like that maybe. Maybe also use some filters to reduce the numbers some.

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               Lantern, thanks for taking all the time that it took to add that reply. It was very informative. Thanks also to every one else who has taken the time to reply,, it is appreicated.

               But no one has answered the second question. Is it normal for me to be hitting so close every week? Seeings as this is costing me money every week, this is the main thing I need to know. If this is normal, I am planning on cutting my expenditure in half. But if it is not, I will continue to play the same amount.

               Thanks again to all who have replied, and have a good day all.

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                Quote: Originally posted by NYDB40 on March 13, 2005



                 Lantern, thanks for taking all the time that it took to add that reply. It was very informative. Thanks also to every one else who has taken the time to reply,, it is appreicated.

                 But no one has answered the second question. Is it normal for me to be hitting so close every week? Seeings as this is costing me money every week, this is the main thing I need to know. If this is normal, I am planning on cutting my expenditure in half. But if it is not, I will continue to play the same amount.

                 Thanks again to all who have replied, and have a good day all.




                If you are making up one combination to play as a single ticket and you are consistantly hitting a number or one up or one down from the winning numbers across the combination you would be a good candidate for an 18 number wheel to put your numbers and those on either side in play for Pick-6.  If on the other hand you are buying a bunch of tickets and one of them happens to be one up or down from the winning draw, you would likely need an independent wheel for each line's expansion and that would be too expensive to be worth doing.

                Roughly wheeling requires . . .
                3if6in18 numbers 9 or 10 lines
                3if5of6in18 numbers 12 lines
                4if6in18 numbers 42 lines
                4if6 and 3if3 in 18 numbers 48 lines

                A wheel is a net of numbers woven to catch a prize and may trap a bigger fish if you are lucky.  The hard part is picking the winning numbers to fall among those you are wheeling.

                For a good lottery education chew your way through
                http://www.lotto-logix.com 

                BobP
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                  Quote: Originally posted by Todd on March 13, 2005



                  Maverick,

                  Actually, that poll indicates that the vast majority of people DO use wheels.


                  • Pct that uses wheels: 66.33%
                  • Pct that doesn't use wheels: 36.67%



                  Ahh, right you are Todd.
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                    Quote: Originally posted by NYDB40 on March 13, 2005



                     Lantern, thanks for taking all the time that it took to add that reply. It was very informative. Thanks also to every one else who has taken the time to reply,, it is appreicated.

                     But no one has answered the second question. Is it normal for me to be hitting so close every week? Seeings as this is costing me money every week, this is the main thing I need to know. If this is normal, I am planning on cutting my expenditure in half. But if it is not, I will continue to play the same amount.

                     Thanks again to all who have replied, and have a good day all.





                    If I had back every dollar I spent for each time I was only 1 number off, I would have most of what I have spent over the past few months back in my pocket.

                    Sir Metro

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                       OK Bob, Metro, thanks for the info,, guess I need to stop spending so much on this and just play what I should. Ya'll have a good day.