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Number Matrix system for jackpot games ?

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Posted: March 22, 2005, 12:05 pm - IP Logged

Some of you have heard and or even maybe even used a number or numbers matrix system(s) for pick 3, but what about the same for jackpot games ?

Has anybody ever thought about this or am I the first ?

Please, don't ask me what number matrix systems I am talking about, this is only for those who already know about them, since maybe we don't want the info to become more known than it might already be, just in case something like that could work or help some with those games, but maybe it would be a hard technique to implement due to the huge ammount of jackpot combos involved and the infrequent or very few lottery history winning numbers or small database, better for some jackpot games than for others.

Of those few that might know what I am talking about; Do you think that something like this can be done and that it might work and help ?

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    Some time back, Sedertree posted a positional matrix system for jackpot style games.  Number positions in the matrix were determined by where they appeared in previous winning combinations.  The idea was if previous winners would fit the matrix then future winners would also.  A player could increase his chances to win by picking only combinations that fitted that matrix.  It had a flaws in that some numbers were in positions they couldn't hold.  He said it needed a little work and he planned to repost it after he had worked out those flaws.  In a post he made earlier this week, he said good-bye and that he was no longer working on lottery systems, so I guess that is an idea that is still waiting to be developed.  Good luck on your efforts.

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      Posted: March 25, 2005, 1:21 am - IP Logged

      Rjoh

      I am surprised that you remember that old post by Sedertree on his MM matrix.

      I, on my own discovered a similar sort of game(s) matrix in "idea only" similar to his and maybe the same or also similar as yours.

      But on this post I am not talking about that sort of number matrixes (I don't need help with that kind of matrix, "well maybe just a little"), but about the pick 3 Matrix3 as could be applied to jackpot type of games, on the pick 3 is a "3 number matrix squared (so to speak) on all sides"

      It's "RELATIVELLY"  the same on the jackpot games, but the 2 problems there are:

      The number of possible combos on those games (jackpot) is huge, very very many combinations.

      And the winning number(s) history on jackpot games is relativelly short as compared to all the possible combinations for those games, there might be a work-arround for this that might work O.K., but it would have to be tested to be sure.

      But only a lottery program or spreadsheet could do the job, none of this can be done by hand, not even for the pick 3.

      Of course, there are many other kinds of "FILTER" lottery matrixes, they all have their uses.

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        Posted: March 25, 2005, 9:07 am - IP Logged

        Lantern,

            If you take the mystery out of what the matrix system is that your talking about, maybe you would get more help, more ideas, and more solutions. 

        You are a slave to the choices you have made.  jk

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          Posted: March 25, 2005, 4:33 pm - IP Logged

          Jking

          The only help that I need is programming help.

          As for programming, Stoopendaal and Apagogeas can help, if anybody at all.

          The idea is very simple, there will always be only 1 winning combo per draw, so you are pretty much free to filter out many many combos out of all the possible ones and still have a good chance of keeping the winning combo among those that were not filtered out (for jackpot games better), but if you have a proven system of picking the combos that will be filtered out, then better yet, you can test the system first on past draws to make sure that it works often, all of this is not good by itself, it has to be used together with other method(s) and or system(s), because of the huge or very big ammount of possible winning numbers, better used maybe with full wheels that have a reduced ammount of numbers and not the full ammount of numbers and also with other methods, just to help to reduce the combos some more and not as a system all by itself.

          The main trick of course is how to chose or pick the combos that will be filtered out, that is where the number matrix or matrixes come in.

          Because the system has to be tested first every single time that it is used, a lottery program for this has to be made out.

          And those are the basic ideas behind this thing, without giving away all the little details about it.

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            Posted: March 25, 2005, 10:04 pm - IP Logged

            I was very wrong about this particular idea it would not work for jackpot games, because of the ammount of possible combos and besides there are easier ways to reduce the combos, this particular thing only works to some extent with the pick 3 straights.

            The main idea was good, but unworkable for jackpot games, but there are many other good filters that should work and that might be more practical and maybe easier to program for jackpot games, but some variations of this idea might be just as good or even better.

            A better way maybe is to break the game down (to fraction it or fracture it) to smaller size and to work on it with filters or other-wise that way.

            I find that working on the smaller sections seems to be better.

            Anyhow this is all for this, this thread is now closed.

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              Quote: Originally posted by LANTERN on March 25, 2005


              I was very wrong about this particular idea it would not work for jackpot games, because of the ammount of possible combos.....................



              Sorry to read you came to that conclusion so soon after your initial post in this thread in which you said you didn't want the information to become known to more people than already knew about it.  I assumed you had done some research on previous drawings and found the idea had merit but I assumed too much.  The information is safe, nobody knows any more than they knew at the beginning of this thread.  Good luck to you.

              RJOh 

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                Quote: Originally posted by RJOh on March 27, 2005

                Quote: Originally posted by LANTERN on March 25, 2005
                I was very wrong about this particular idea it would not work for jackpot games, because of the ammount of possible combos.....................




                Sorry to read you came to that conclusion so soon after your initial post in this thread in which you said you didn't want the information to become known to more people than already knew about it. I assumed you had done some research on previous drawings and found the idea had merit but I assumed too much. The information is safe, nobody knows any more than they knew at the beginning of this thread. Good luck to you.

                RJOh






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