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# PICK 3 Vtrac Movement ...Somebody HELP!

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I seriously need someone to help me understand how the vtrac movement works.
Someone sent me written information that explained it well--but unfortunately, I am a show me kind of girl.

I learn best by examples that show me what is going on.

I feel that I am missing a key piece of the puzzle by not knowing this.

I can determine the vtracs now; but unless I can predict how they will hit in order to create a straight hit, it's nothing more than just a bunch of numbers to me.

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I seriously need someone to help me understand how the vtrac movement works.
Someone sent me written information that explained it well--but unfortunately, I am a show me kind of girl.

I learn best by examples that show me what is going on.

I feel that I am missing a key piece of the puzzle by not knowing this.

I can determine the vtracs now; but unless I can predict how they will hit in order to create a straight hit, it's nothing more than just a bunch of numbers to me.

Lottaloot,

If it's not too much of a problem,why don't you post the written information and maybe someone can help figure it out. Just a thought. Good Luck to You.....................Jeff

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Hope this helps!!

Converting digits to VTRACS

Digits 0 and 5 = VTRAC 1
Digits 1 and 6 = VTRAC 2
Digits 2 and 7 = VTRAC 3
Digits 3 and 8 = VTRAC 4
Digits 4 and 9 = VTRAC 5

The idea is to convert 10 digits down to 5 or 5 VTRACS.

Lets take a real example from Michigan Pick 3 Evening drawing on 8/25/05.

The Pick 3 was 2 5 7
Using the chart above you convert the digits drawn to VTRACS
Digit 2 = VTRAC 3
Digit 5 = VTRAC 1
Digit 7 = VTRAC 3
So your new VTRAC combination is 3 1 3

VTRAC MOVEMENTS

Movements simply put are the differences between 2 drawings by position.
Using the example from Michigan Pick 3
The last VTRAC was 3 1 3 (or digit combination 2 5 7) 8/25/05
The previous evening drawing on 8/24/05 was digit combination 9 7 9 convert to VTRAC and you have 5 3 5.
To calculate the MOVEMENT
P1    P2  P3
8/25/05  VTRAC  3    1    3    (Digit combination 2 5 7)
8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of 2
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 1 and 3 = 2 or movement of 2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of 2

Lets take another drawing from 8/23/05

8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)
8/23/05  VTRAC  4    1    5    (Digit combination 3 0 4)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 5 and 4 = 1 or movement of 1
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 3 and 1 = 2 or movement of 2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 5 and 5 = 0 or movement of 0

Possible Movements of VTRACS
1      2    3      4      5
VTRAC 1 can have a movement of:  0,    +1,  +2,  +3,  +4
VTRAC 2 can have a movement of:  -1,    0,  +1,  +2,    +3
VTRAC 3 can have a movement of:  -2,    -1,    0,    +1,    +2
VTRAC 4 can have a movement of:  -3,    -2,  -1,    0,    +1
VTRAC 5 can have a movement of:  -4,    -3,  -2,    -1,      0

Notice that each VTRAC can move up, down or stay the same from drawing to drawing.
The key is to track these movements by Position (Position 1 through Position 3).

Using the example from above:

P1  P2  P3
8/25/05  VTRAC  3    1    3    (Digit combination 2 5 7)
8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of -2
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 1 and 3 = 2 or movement of -2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of -2

Lets take another drawing from 8/23/05

8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)
8/23/05  VTRAC  4    1    5    (Digit combination 3 0 4)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 5 and 4 = 1 or movement of  +1
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 3 and 1 = 2 or movement of  +2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 5 and 5 = 0 or movement of    0

The next step is to create a history of past drawings so you can see what the BEST movements are for each VTRAC 1 through 5 at Positions 1, 2, and 3.

The key is to use the correct number of past drawings.
There are a total of 125 VTRAC combinations.
There are a total of 35-boxed VTRAC combinations.
The question is how many past drawings do you use?
My opinion is to use 125 past drawings.  You can use your own number of past drawings.
Keep in mind that movements do change.  You can look at increments of past drawings to see this happening.

Taking the example from above:

The last drawing for Michigan on 8/25/05 was 257 or VTRAC 313

Now you need to look at each position to find the TOP movements.

Position 1 you see VTRAC 3

Now you need to look at your past history of each time a VTRAC 3 was drawn and what the TOP movement(s) for VTRAC 3 in Position 1.  Using the chart from above you see that VTRAC 3 can MOVE  -2,  -1,  0, +1, +2.  What were saying is VTRAC 3 can move or possible be picked in the next drawing as a VTRAC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.  So this is where we want to find the TOP movement(s).  For example: We look at our past history of 125 past drawings (or whatever number of past drawings you want to use) and determine that VTRAC 3 in Position 1 HIT a total of 25 times.  Out of the 25 times, VTRAC 3 in Position 1 was drawn it MOVED (–2) a total of 7 times, (-1) a total of  5 times, (0) a total of 5 times,  (+1) a total of 4 times, (+2) a total of  4 times.
We see that the TOP movement for VTRAC 3 is (-2) or VTRAC 1.  So our next drawing we would use VTRAC 1 or digits 0 and 5 in Position 1.

Next you would do the same thing for Position 2 and Position 3.  So you want to look at VTRAC 1 in Position 2 and VTRAC 3 in Position 3.  So you want to find the TOP movement for VTRAC 1 for Position 2 and VTRAC 3 in Position 3.

I should add that I use the negative and positive movements.  I think it helps to key-in on the correct movements of each VTRAC by Position.

Good Luck!!

wsls

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Hope this helps!!

Converting digits to VTRACS

Digits 0 and 5 = VTRAC 1
Digits 1 and 6 = VTRAC 2
Digits 2 and 7 = VTRAC 3
Digits 3 and 8 = VTRAC 4
Digits 4 and 9 = VTRAC 5

The idea is to convert 10 digits down to 5 or 5 VTRACS.

Lets take a real example from Michigan Pick 3 Evening drawing on 8/25/05.

The Pick 3 was 2 5 7
Using the chart above you convert the digits drawn to VTRACS
Digit 2 = VTRAC 3
Digit 5 = VTRAC 1
Digit 7 = VTRAC 3
So your new VTRAC combination is 3 1 3

VTRAC MOVEMENTS

Movements simply put are the differences between 2 drawings by position.
Using the example from Michigan Pick 3
The last VTRAC was 3 1 3 (or digit combination 2 5 7) 8/25/05
The previous evening drawing on 8/24/05 was digit combination 9 7 9 convert to VTRAC and you have 5 3 5.
To calculate the MOVEMENT
P1    P2  P3
8/25/05  VTRAC  3    1    3    (Digit combination 2 5 7)
8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of 2
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 1 and 3 = 2 or movement of 2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of 2

Lets take another drawing from 8/23/05

8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)
8/23/05  VTRAC  4    1    5    (Digit combination 3 0 4)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 5 and 4 = 1 or movement of 1
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 3 and 1 = 2 or movement of 2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 5 and 5 = 0 or movement of 0

Possible Movements of VTRACS
1      2    3      4      5
VTRAC 1 can have a movement of:  0,    +1,  +2,  +3,  +4
VTRAC 2 can have a movement of:  -1,    0,  +1,  +2,    +3
VTRAC 3 can have a movement of:  -2,    -1,    0,    +1,    +2
VTRAC 4 can have a movement of:  -3,    -2,  -1,    0,    +1
VTRAC 5 can have a movement of:  -4,    -3,  -2,    -1,      0

Notice that each VTRAC can move up, down or stay the same from drawing to drawing.
The key is to track these movements by Position (Position 1 through Position 3).

Using the example from above:

P1  P2  P3
8/25/05  VTRAC  3    1    3    (Digit combination 2 5 7)
8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of -2
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 1 and 3 = 2 or movement of -2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 3 and 5 = 2 or movement of -2

Lets take another drawing from 8/23/05

8/24/05  VTRAC  5    3    5    (Digit combination 9 7 9)
8/23/05  VTRAC  4    1    5    (Digit combination 3 0 4)

Look at P1 or Position 1.  The difference between 5 and 4 = 1 or movement of  +1
Look at P2 or Position 2.  The difference between 3 and 1 = 2 or movement of  +2
Look at P3 or Position 3.  The difference between 5 and 5 = 0 or movement of    0

The next step is to create a history of past drawings so you can see what the BEST movements are for each VTRAC 1 through 5 at Positions 1, 2, and 3.

The key is to use the correct number of past drawings.
There are a total of 125 VTRAC combinations.
There are a total of 35-boxed VTRAC combinations.
The question is how many past drawings do you use?
My opinion is to use 125 past drawings.  You can use your own number of past drawings.
Keep in mind that movements do change.  You can look at increments of past drawings to see this happening.

Taking the example from above:

The last drawing for Michigan on 8/25/05 was 257 or VTRAC 313

Now you need to look at each position to find the TOP movements.

Position 1 you see VTRAC 3

Now you need to look at your past history of each time a VTRAC 3 was drawn and what the TOP movement(s) for VTRAC 3 in Position 1.  Using the chart from above you see that VTRAC 3 can MOVE  -2,  -1,  0, +1, +2.  What were saying is VTRAC 3 can move or possible be picked in the next drawing as a VTRAC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.  So this is where we want to find the TOP movement(s).  For example: We look at our past history of 125 past drawings (or whatever number of past drawings you want to use) and determine that VTRAC 3 in Position 1 HIT a total of 25 times.  Out of the 25 times, VTRAC 3 in Position 1 was drawn it MOVED (–2) a total of 7 times, (-1) a total of  5 times, (0) a total of 5 times,  (+1) a total of 4 times, (+2) a total of  4 times.
We see that the TOP movement for VTRAC 3 is (-2) or VTRAC 1.  So our next drawing we would use VTRAC 1 or digits 0 and 5 in Position 1.

Next you would do the same thing for Position 2 and Position 3.  So you want to look at VTRAC 1 in Position 2 and VTRAC 3 in Position 3.  So you want to find the TOP movement for VTRAC 1 for Position 2 and VTRAC 3 in Position 3.

I should add that I use the negative and positive movements.  I think it helps to key-in on the correct movements of each VTRAC by Position.

Good Luck!!

wsls

WSLS,

Now that's what I would call, a great answer and deserves a big WTG.

Carbob

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Hey--they say you won't know if you don't ask

WSLS  THANK YOU!

This helps me a bit more on the vtrac.  Now I think that I can use it more efficently.  I am going to study this all day till I get it right.

I will post usable info that can be used on the forum.

And Jeff, I did post some info that I got no response to before.  I guess I just didn't ask the right way.

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Basically ..... WSLS rocks the Free World!  He is the VTRAC MAN!!

Thanks for all your help WSLS!!

Good Luck,

John

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winsumloosesum,

That was an excellent description!  Now I have LOTS of questions:

After you track the movements, do you then take that info to generate all the combos?  For example, if after calculating the historical movement trands, you come up with VTRAC 1-2-1 to play, do you then wheel the numbers 0, 5 - 1, 6 - 0, 5?  Do you keep them in their respective positions, or do you create all possible combinations?

The reason I ask is that because you were so specific as to positional analysis, it seems that you would want to maintain the emphasis on position when you wheel the numbers.

Besides tracking movements, are there any other ways that you utilize historical VTRAC trends?

A couple of other general questions:

• Does anybody know who the originator of VTRACs is? (Not talking about someone who strongly advocates using VTRACs, or even someone who is a VTRAC expert, I'm talking about the inventor of it.)
• Is VTRAC an acronym, and if so, what does it stand for?  (It would also help to know if it's always shown in ALL CAPS -- VTRAC -- or is it sometimes Vtracs or VTracs, or something else.)

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Possible Movements of VTRACS
1      2    3      4      5
VTRAC 1 can have a movement of:  0,    +1,  +2,  +3,  +4
VTRAC 2 can have a movement of:  -1,    0,  +1,  +2,    +3
VTRAC 3 can have a movement of:  -2,    -1,    0,    +1,    +2
VTRAC 4 can have a movement of:  -3,    -2,  -1,    0,    +1
VTRAC 5 can have a movement of:  -4,    -3,  -2,    -1,      0

Notice that each VTRAC can move up, down or stay the same from drawing to drawing.
The key is to track these movements by Position (Position 1 through Position 3).

Now my question..  bear with me.. I am out of school sick today..got a flu bug or something.. so the dendrites aren't working this morning..

If you had these vtrac numbers..

3 4 3

4 1 2      would you say the three is movement of +1,  the four is movement of  +2, and the 3 is movement of -2?

OLD/Vtrac

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BTW winsumloosesum, you have an awesome collection of info in your Blog!

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does it mean if u get a -2 that u drop down 2 numbers from the previous drawing?

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Todd,

Most of the information I obtained was from other lottery forums such as Y**** and M**.

www.compulotto.com Web site has information about VTRACS.

You can use Vtracs, VTRAC vtrac etc.  You can all me Johnson. LOL

VTRAC aka Varialble Tracking.  I don't know the inventor.  Maybe it was under a differnet name.

DavidT offered tips at another lottery forum.

I am not an expert on vtrac. (Far from it)  There are members, active and inactive that could provide better tips on using vtrac.

I took the Excel file available at the "ELottery Universe" (Y**** Group) and just made some minor adjustments to the movements columns.  All I did was change the movements from drawing to drawing to reflect a positive and negative movements.  The idea from what I understand, is to find the best movement based on past history by position.  I look at 125 past drawings since there are a total of 125 possible vtrac combinations.  You can pick whatever histor works best.  I also use charts that show increments of 5 drawings.  This narrows down by position where the movements are occuring.  On the other side you can see where they are not occuring.

If you can narrow down the top vtrac for each position you would end up with 8 straight combinations.

If you have the bucks like I know you have LOL, you can use the top 2 vtracs by position and play 64 combinations.  Or if you are totally crazy and like throwing money around you can play the top 3 vtracs by position and play 216 combinations.  I would like to see the clerk's face at that store.

I have read posts about odd/even, high/low, VTRAC Sums (3 through 15).  Most vtrac combinations occur from the vtrac sums 8, 9, and 10.

It would be nice to have a separate forum on VTRAC if possible??

wsls

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Oh I would like the idea of having a vtrac forum...

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tntea,

If you had these vtrac numbers..

3 4 3

4 1 2      would you say the three is movement of +1,  the four is movement of  +2, and the 3 is movement of -2?

If VTRAC 3 4 3  was your last drawing and 4 1 2 was the previous drawing.

The 4 had a movement of -1

The 1                                +3

The 2                                  +1

Now what you want to look at is the 3 4 3 and your past history and see what the top movements were for the 3, 4 and 3.  AS I said earlier, I like 125 past drawings.  You can use any number you like.  The bottom line is you want to see what direction each of the vtrac positions wil go based on past history.  Will the 3 go up 1 (+1) to a vtrac 4 or stay the same as a vtrac 3 (0) or go down 1 (-1) as a vtrac 2.  This is all about the movements from drawing to drawing.

Hoped this helped??

wsls

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Very interesting.

Looks like a nice way to start the Systems page at LP.  For Premium members.

I find it hard to believe that people are shelling out \$40 per month at that site you mentioned.  Good thing you could buy a LP premium memberships for the pocket change that you could probably find by scraping under your sofa cusions.

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Very interesting.

Looks like a nice way to start the Systems page at LP.  For Premium members.

I find it hard to believe that people are shelling out \$40 per month at that site you mentioned.  Good thing you could buy a LP premium memberships for the pocket change that you could probably find by scraping under your sofa cusions.

Oh no.

Does this mean I need to change my member staus again?

I guess it will be worth it cuz I have to learn vtracs.  I think that is where the money can be made in the lottery.

Todd, you sure know how to keep us up to the minute.

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