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WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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Posted: December 11, 2005, 10:46 am - IP Logged

                        Mad Hot vs Cold... Cool Cool

 Everybody talks about ... Hot vs. Cold. I have seen some things in my life you would not believe.  Both ways !

  Might be interesting to see what the opinions are about playing one way or the other.

  I  have never been able to spot Hot ahead of time.

By the time I see it the thing is over.... but I can spot Cold a mile away.I know it will turn. You can plan on cold or cool. It's consistant.... and gives you time to set up.

  Still...... it would be interesting to hear the Pro's and Con's of playing and winning with these two systems. 

  I guess for me it's really a matter of playing and spotting" Cool "

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    

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    Posted: December 11, 2005, 10:54 am - IP Logged

    Part of the problem is that there seems to be no concensus definition of "Hot" and "Cold". It seems entirely relative to the individual player.

    Also, it is game-relative. What is "cold" in Pick3/4 in terms of digits is not the same as "cold" in the jackpot games, in terms of individual numbers.

    And what is "hot"?  A number/digit that has hit twice in 2 draws? Or 3 times in 4 draws?? Or what?

    And if a digit has hit 4 times in 5 draws in P3, is it about to go "cold" or is it still "hot"?

    This is why it is difficult to pin down.

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      Raven62's avatar - binary
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      Posted: December 11, 2005, 1:49 pm - IP Logged

      The definition of Hot, Neutral, Cold is not clear or the frequency associated with them.

      In an ideal Pick3/Pick4 each ball (0-9) in each position would come up once in 10 draws, so lets call the balls that came up once in the last 10 draws Neutral, the balls that came up more than once in the last 10 draws Hot, and the balls that didn't come up in the last 10 draws Cold.

       

        WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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        Posted: December 11, 2005, 1:53 pm - IP Logged

        Pulled this old math average post off of my Blog.

         

            What's Hot and Cold ? Here is one way to look at it. It's the expected Math averagehit rate in a certain amount of draws. This is a good chart to copy until you are able to do it on the fly.  

         10 draws  3  hits per number (average over the 10 draws)

          15            5

          20            6

          25             8

          30             9

          40            12

          50            15

          60 draws 18  ...... hits per Digit...average.                                                       

        If you want to find out if a digit is overdue in a single position then divide the number of draws by 3. 

         Ex:  If, ... number #6 has been missing for 21 draws in first position.....just divide (21 by 3  =7 days out) . Now it's easier to picture how really long it's been gone. In other words....

          It's just like a normal number missing in all positions for 7 days.

         

         

        The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                      Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                      Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                               Win d    

          takeitez's avatar - japheth
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          Posted: December 11, 2005, 2:17 pm - IP Logged

          A great little tool here on LP for the same thing.

          >results . > the state you want > the game you want ; in the drop down box click Drawing Statistics.

          You can look at 100 past draws  hot, warm, cold

          ez

            WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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            Posted: December 11, 2005, 2:29 pm - IP Logged

             Yeah.... that's right EZ. That chart of mine is alot older than that and was all we had way back when. Most don't have access to that anyway.

             

              OK ...but here's a Hot Cold question for 2 kinds of Players about a situation on the  Georgia Evening game right now.

             

              The digit 9 is in record skip territory. Not only for midday but Evening and Combined as well. In all our game history .... this is the longest combined skip.

              So here is the question. What is the best position to play that digit 9 in your opinion?

                  Postion one at night has hit ....... 39 times this yr.

                    Postion 2.....................................35 times this yr

                            Position ...............................only 26 times this yr 

             Only.... right now ...or current stats say he is most due in Postion 1.  because it has the highest skip right now. 

             

              My vote ..... I say it will hit in Position 3 ...coldest of the yr.        I go with the overall yearly stat as most due rather than the Hot postion one.....although he is the most cold (longest out skip postion) right now.

             

             

            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                   Win d    

              takeitez's avatar - japheth
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              Posted: December 11, 2005, 2:54 pm - IP Logged

              I like postion 1

              998,988,990,900,930,950,960,912,914,924,917,

              918,978,923,937,927,935,963,956,934,938,948

              999

              There you Win-Deee and you know how high I play!!

              ez

                WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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                Posted: December 11, 2005, 3:00 pm - IP Logged

                 Yes .... I sure do know how you play EZ. 

                 

                            When EZ play's ....... he don't play .... ( ya know what I mean) Thumbs Up LOL

                 

                 

                The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                       Win d    

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                  Posted: December 11, 2005, 3:04 pm - IP Logged

                  Win D, my thinking when I read your posts is that we seem to think alot alike. 

                  That can get us into real trouble though

                  My thinking tends to be (the 9 hasn't hit in 2 weeks) so I am going to stay on this until it comes.

                  What my thinking should be is

                  I am going to wait until the 9 hits & then play it back in another position because it needs to catch up and return to a sort of balance.

                   

                  It's hard for someone like me to keep the above statement in mind--but it's worth it to remember because the lottery expects me to see that the 9 is missing & plays every 9 combo that I can.

                   

                  L ttaL   T

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                    Posted: December 11, 2005, 5:12 pm - IP Logged

                    The definition of Hot, Neutral, Cold is not clear or the frequency associated with them.

                    In an ideal Pick3/Pick4 each ball (0-9) in each position would come up once in 10 draws, so lets call the balls that came up once in the last 10 draws Neutral, the balls that came up more than once in the last 10 draws Hot, and the balls that didn't come up in the last 10 draws Cold.

                     

                    Herein then it becomes another problem. If you look at game histories for P3, you'll find that it is unusual for there to be more than one digit that hasn't been drawn in the last ten draws. Therefore, there would be few "neutral" digits.

                    Also, looking at game histories, you would find there to be many "hot" digits; if you define a hot digit as one that has been drawn more than once in the last ten draws.

                    I'm contending that you would end up with few "neutral" (maybe not any) digits, many "hot" digits, and few (maybe none) "cold" digits.

                    The only way to "tighten this up" would be to use less than ten draws as a sampling. Using five draws at the most, possibly. But then you have the question as to whether such a small sampling is a valid one.

                    Now....if you are talking about each position in P3 separately, then that is another situation.  But in that case, you are trying to predict straights, rather than boxed.

                    See this whole Hot/Cold thing can be quite confusing.

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                      Posted: December 11, 2005, 5:53 pm - IP Logged

                      What do you think of this as a "gage"?

                      A digit that comes 2 times in 4 draws--hot

                      A digit that comes 2 times in 7 draws--neutral

                      A digit not drawn in 10 draws--cold

                      ez

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                        I use a longer history for digit's hot/cold status in each position (for the straight in pick-3). In 50 draws a number should come in 5 times in each position.

                        5 or more is hot, less than 5 is cold. I eliminate overdue digits from my consideration of "hot" numbers because it is no longer hot in my opinion.

                        Overdue=cold IMHO, though others would disagree with that. I agree with CalifDude''s signature...play what is hot.

                        Posted 4/6:  IL Pick 3 midday and evening until they hit:  555, 347 (str8).


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                          Posted: December 11, 2005, 6:46 pm - IP Logged

                          The definition of Hot, Neutral, Cold is not clear or the frequency associated with them.

                          In an ideal Pick3/Pick4 each ball (0-9) in each position would come up once in 10 draws, so lets call the balls that came up once in the last 10 draws Neutral, the balls that came up more than once in the last 10 draws Hot, and the balls that didn't come up in the last 10 draws Cold.

                           

                          Herein then it becomes another problem. If you look at game histories for P3, you'll find that it is unusual for there to be more than one digit that hasn't been drawn in the last ten draws. Therefore, there would be few "neutral" digits.

                          Also, looking at game histories, you would find there to be many "hot" digits; if you define a hot digit as one that has been drawn more than once in the last ten draws.

                          I'm contending that you would end up with few "neutral" (maybe not any) digits, many "hot" digits, and few (maybe none) "cold" digits.

                          The only way to "tighten this up" would be to use less than ten draws as a sampling. Using five draws at the most, possibly. But then you have the question as to whether such a small sampling is a valid one.

                          Now....if you are talking about each position in P3 separately, then that is another situation.  But in that case, you are trying to predict straights, rather than boxed.

                          See this whole Hot/Cold thing can be quite confusing.

                          If you look at a separate history rather than a combined history you get a different picture, and no not trying to make straight predictions, only boxed.

                          .........Position.1...................Position.2...................Position.3............
                          Number.Last.Date.Hit.Skipped.Number.Last.Date.Hit.Skipped.Number.Last.Date.Hit.Skipped...
                          ..06....11/18/2005.....22......08....11/17/2005.....23......00....11/12/2005.....28......
                          ..05....11/25/2005.....15......06....11/23/2005.....17......02....11/15/2005.....25......
                          ..02....11/26/2005.....14......09....11/24/2005.....16......09....11/30/2005.....10......
                          ..03....12/02/2005......8......03....12/03/2005......7......04....12/01/2005......9......
                          ..09....12/04/2005......6......00....12/04/2005......6......06....12/02/2005......8......
                          ..08....12/05/2005......5......02....12/05/2005......5......07....12/05/2005......5......
                          ..04....12/06/2005......4......07....12/07/2005......3......05....12/06/2005......4......
                          ..00....12/07/2005......3......01....12/08/2005......2......08....12/08/2005......2......
                          ..01....12/09/2005......1......05....12/09/2005......1......03....12/09/2005......1......
                          ..07....12/10/2005......0......04....12/10/2005......0......01....12/10/2005......0......