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Posted: December 16, 2005, 9:12 pm - IP Logged

It's not just for mystics anymore apparently.

In past issues of Scientific American, many scientists argued as to whether multi-dimensional theory was correct at all. Subsequent editions seemed to suggest that it's probably true, but is a matter of discovering which theory is the most correct.

Now according to some scientists, it appears that they could all be correct, but are merely different aspects of the same thing. And if they can replicate miniature black holes in a pending-contruction particle accelerator, science may for the first time in the history of the human race have tangible proof that we exist in more than merely three dimensions. 

Some philosophers have said something to the effect that it's not what we see so much as how we see it; that such is a matter of "perspective." Such has always been accepted in the realms of psychology and philosophy; but never in "hard" science.

But are such views now merely outdated 19th century science that still instinctively thinks matter a "solid" object?

What if they were outdated?

Scientists have been able to extrapolate the hypercube; a cube as it would appear in fourth-dimensional space. Mathematicians been able to extrapolate what soap bubbles would look like in dimensions that exceed our own.

Could such multi-dimensional extrapolation be similarly applied to the prediction of random numbers?

And if so  how?

Is it only impossible and literally "random" when one is limited to methods that only avail themselves of three dimensions? Would the addition of X amount of dimensions to the analysis make it more understandable?

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    Mathematicians tend to describe things to make them sound more complex than they really are. Its job security. Any independent aspect of the numbers may be considered as a separate dimension.

    Range, deltas, skips, & temperature can be considered different dimensions. Considering these (and others) will provide you with more info. regarding your numbers. Not every filter is a good one. Remember what "The Gambler" said; know what to throw away, know what to keep.

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      Mathematicians tend to describe things to make them sound more complex than they really are. Its job security. Any independent aspect of the numbers may be considered as a separate dimension.

      Range, deltas, skips, & temperature can be considered different dimensions. Considering these (and others) will provide you with more info. regarding your numbers. Not every filter is a good one. Remember what "The Gambler" said; know what to throw away, know what to keep.

      I'm not a mathematician, so I cannot comment on the assertions in your first paragraph. Although I believe that there's some truth in what you've written. It's human nature to protect one's assets.

      As for the second paragraph:

      It depends on one's definition of the word dimension:

      One may correctly use the word dimension as a synonym for aspect, element or facet; as in "mean, median and mode are three dimensions of statistical analysis."

      Alternately, as in the Scientific American, one may also correctly use the word dimension  to  denote a literal, quantitative and objective phenomena: as in "string theory posits at least one objectively-existing dimension beyond those of the usual three: height, width and breadth that scientists hope to detect by creating a miniature black hole with a particle accelerator."

      Both are correct uses of the word dimension; however, clearly these two alternate meanings of the word are not interchangeable and would result in unintentional equivocation.

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        I would say we exist in at least 4 dimensions, but that is an aside. I would agree that the two meanings of "dimension" are not exactly interchangeable, but I doubt lottery balls or RNGs have much to do with black holes or soap bubbles in a way that is very useful to those of us outside of CERN. I chose the other meaning because, in my opinion, it is more related. I was addressing your specific questions.

        Could such multi-dimensional extrapolation be similarly applied to the prediction of random numbers? Yes, but it doesn't mean you use the EXACT SAME types of dimensions as someone building a skyscraper.

        And if so how? By considering other dimensions (aspects) of the games numbers.

        Is it only impossible and literally "random" when one is limited to methods that only avail themselves of three dimensions? No, some people are doing quite well by other methods. And no, because not all drawings are physical (machines). In the latter case, mechanics may not apply at all. <-- Well, maybe quantum ones Wink

        Your last question regarding adding more dimensions to the problem was answered above. I would only add that it is important to use those dimensions/facets most related to the thing you are analyizing. Otherwise, you could make things less understandable.

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          How interesting- I saw this show on PBS- and those particles didn't behave in the prescribed fashion- and things were very curious for those particles- stepping through walls- going backwards and forward at the same moment.

          Just think if you could manifest light to go ahead one day and get the numbers for the past day you might have something-

          Of course as  I remember, these particles did not move in a predictable pattern they gave random a whole new dimension.

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            Posted: January 4, 2006, 6:14 pm - IP Logged

            While you're getting future winning lottery numbers, could you pick me up a Wall Street Journal
             too? Just like that show, First Edition. Wink
            Seriously, you would run into the "many worlds" problem. You may get the winning numbers, but from a slightly different worldline. This is why many people do a 'workout' only to come in one number off.

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              Posted: January 11, 2006, 12:35 am - IP Logged

              If we continue to come in one number off then why dont we add or subtract at that time. That will bring us to tomorrow?

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                Unfortunately, there are 3 (or 4) numbers which can be 1 up or 1 down. Also, in the other worldlines, the winner has to be in your state. Plenty of people have played a number, only to see it fall straight... in the state next door. There are plenty of people still plugging away at it though. http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/126309


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                  Posted: January 21, 2006, 10:44 pm - IP Logged

                  Just picked up the latest issue of Sci. Am.
                  Thought provoking to say the least.

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                    Posted: January 22, 2006, 9:03 am - IP Logged

                    manifesting light, acceleration actually... that was the big deal in the movie "paycheck" where at the end ben affleck had a 90 million dollar lottery ticket played that he seen beforehand...

                    Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                      I think it was Howars Hughes who once said "people make things complex", when the answer lies right before your eye's........        Hence "Einsteins" theory  E= MC2 was right before his eye's.    correct?

                                                                   

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                        I think it was Howars Hughes who once said "people make things complex", when the answer lies right before your eye's........        Hence "Einsteins" theory  E= MC2 was right before his eye's.    correct?

                        I Agree! 

                        My comments belong more in the mystical forum but here goes ....  when meditating deeply a person is able to go beyond space and time to access what has been termed as the "universal mind" where all information that has ever been or will be known is available .... including lottery numbers.  This type of meditation is more like remote viewing which takes practice, intent and perserverence to bring it about.  I've done it so know it is possible.

                        Regarding Maddog10's comments above when meditating deeply without constraints of space and time you are in effect mentally traveling forward or backward at will, at the speed of light. Just because someone is not in a lab setting doesn't make it any less part of concrete reality.

                        Another "mystical" thread comment regarding dimensions is that I've read that instead of humans having 2 strands of DNA, we have 12 strands.  The "junk" DNA scientists see are being reconnected as we advance and those strands are what connects us to other dimensions we are not aware of.  12 strands of DNA, 12 dimensions.  There are probably more, or sub-dimensions of the major ones.  For linear thinkers, simply allow the possibility of dimensions until we're able to prove existence as fact.

                        Theory perhaps but we'll see as science catches up with what mystics have known for thousands of years.  Were there not validity they wouldn't be working so diligently to come up with a repeatable experiment to offer "proof."    

                        Good luck to everyone!