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Posted: December 23, 2005, 12:24 am - IP Logged

O.K., I know what you're thinking "Oh boy, another concept from JimmySand9". But hear me out, this is a good one. I want to hear your feedback.

Very simple idea, this is. Just pick 4 numbers out of 75. That's it. There aren't 100 lines of numbers or anything, just 1 line for $1. And the best part, not only is there a growing jackpot, but you can win by matching as little as 1 number.

Cost : 1 Play for $1

Minimum Jackpot : $50,000


Prize
Odds
Match 4
Jackpot
1 : 1,215,450
Match 3
$500
1 : 4,279.8
Match 2
$5
1 : 81.5
Match 1
$1
1 : 5.3

Overall Odds : 1 in 4.985

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    Posted: December 23, 2005, 12:26 am - IP Logged

    sounds like a good concept to me.......

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      Posted: December 23, 2005, 12:36 am - IP Logged

      Winning on 1 number....where do I sign up...I can do that with my eyes close...well maybe...

      Good concept but, I don't think they will go lower then picking 2 balls...other wise it would be to easy.

      PP

      Good luck to everyone!!!

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        Posted: December 23, 2005, 7:20 pm - IP Logged

        Winning on 1 number....where do I sign up...I can do that with my eyes close...well maybe...

        Good concept but, I don't think they will go lower then picking 2 balls...other wise it would be to easy.

        PP

        Well the odds of matching 1 number is about 1 in 5. It may seem like something you can do with your eyes closed, but it's not that easy. I calculated it so it would pay out 50% on average, so I don't see any reason why they couldn't do it.

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          Posted: December 23, 2005, 8:20 pm - IP Logged

          There you go again, Jimmy: giving us a lotto game with a hugely OPPRESSIVE (i.e. LARGE) number field!

          I'm (seriously) convinced you work for THEM, not US!

          By the way, NJ did away with LOTZEE about 2 years ago, which was just like your game, had a CONSISTENTLY low number of winners and was "rejected" by players as evidenced in rather poor sales.  NJ gave up on the game because players refused to play it.  Why?  Too large of a number field!

          Tell your people that a low number field game (5/19; 5/26; 5/30) will attract more players more often and inspire more "faith" in numbers games than those oppressively large number field games like PowerRip, MegaRip, and some of the ones you occasionally post.  Thank you.

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            Posted: December 23, 2005, 8:28 pm - IP Logged

            While overall odds of 1:5 are common on scratch-off games where the out comes are controlled with printed tickets, 1:9 has been the best overall odds allowed for any on-line games where the outcomes are the results of a random drawing.  It may be doable but I don't think any states will ever allow those kinds of overall odds on a game where the out come is the results of a random drawing and may jeopardize their guaranteed 50% of sales some times.

             * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
               
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              Posted: December 23, 2005, 8:38 pm - IP Logged

              Greg,

              A 5/19 game would have odds of 1:11,628 for a 5/5 and odds of 1:3 for matching 2/5.  What you want is a game where the odds of winning your money back is about the same as flipping a coin.  Get real, you're never going see such a lottery game.

               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                 
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                Posted: December 23, 2005, 9:05 pm - IP Logged

                RJ, my thinking is that by introducing a lower odds game with slightly lower prize amounts, that more people will be enthused to play more often thus increasing the state's profitability by ensuring more winners.

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                  Posted: December 23, 2005, 9:16 pm - IP Logged

                  Pick3 have odds of 1:1000 for a straight hit and 1:220 for box hits so prizes of $500 and $50 are there for those players who want lower odds and lower prize amounts.  Those kinds of odds will never exist for those players who want to play for $500,000 or more.

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                    Posted: December 23, 2005, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

                    There you go again, Jimmy: giving us a lotto game with a hugely OPPRESSIVE (i.e. LARGE) number field!

                    I'm (seriously) convinced you work for THEM, not US!

                    By the way, NJ did away with LOTZEE about 2 years ago, which was just like your game, had a CONSISTENTLY low number of winners and was "rejected" by players as evidenced in rather poor sales.  NJ gave up on the game because players refused to play it.  Why?  Too large of a number field!

                    Tell your people that a low number field game (5/19; 5/26; 5/30) will attract more players more often and inspire more "faith" in numbers games than those oppressively large number field games like PowerRip, MegaRip, and some of the ones you occasionally post.  Thank you.

                    O.K. I work for "them". As in, I don't want "them" to go bankrupt so "our" money-well doesn't run dry. Put out one of your 100,000% payout games, and that's it, no more lottery. Besides, it doesn't necessarily matter what amount of numbers are in the field, but both that and the number of balls picked by the player. So while the field may seem like it's impossible to crack, you have to look at all the parameters. Because all that really matters are the odds. Look at the odds of my game, 1 in about 1.2 million. That means that there about 1.2 million possible winning combos that can be drawn on a given night. Now, take a look at your beloved Lucky For Life (and I might start calling it Un-Lucky if you keep unfairly scolding me), it has about 2.7 million possible combinations that can be drawn, despite having half the balls in the machine. Why is that? Because of the number of balls selected, mine has 4, LFL has 6. That is just as important as the number of balls in the field when determining odds.

                    Besides, you looooove keno, but that has 80 numbers. Why are you lambasting a game that actually has 5 less?

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                      Posted: December 24, 2005, 12:40 pm - IP Logged

                      O.K. I work for "them". At last, you admit it!  Consider yourself unmasked! :-) As in, I don't want "them" to go bankrupt so "our" money-well doesn't run dry. Put out one of your 100,000% payout games, and that's it, no more lottery. No Jimmy, I didn't say that.  Don't confuse the issue here.  Lower the odds and lower the prize amounts so that more people win which will actually increase the number of players and increase sales!  It's as simple as that.Besides, it doesn't necessarily matter what amount of numbers are in the field, but both that and the number of balls picked by the player. I am incredulous at your uninformed comment, Jimmy.  Of course it matters!  The larger the number field, the more difficult it is to win because you have increased the odds by so doing. So while the field may seem like it's impossible to crack, you have to look at all the parameters. What "parameters" are you talking about?  Players' gullibility?  Their naivete when they read your slick marketing stuff? Because all that really matters are the odds. Look at the odds of my game, 1 in about 1.2 million. That means that there about 1.2 million possible winning combos that can be drawn on a given night. Now, take a look at your beloved Lucky For Life (and I might start calling it Un-Lucky if you keep unfairly scolding me), it has about 2.7 million possible combinations that can be drawn, despite having half the balls in the machine. Why is that? Because of the number of balls selected, mine has 4, LFL has 6. That is just as important as the number of balls in the field when determining odds. Again, lottery drawings (number selections) reveal discernible patterns.  A 38 number field, using software, reveals more discernible patterns than a field of 75 numbers, using parameters like repeating, consecutive, or adjacent numbers

                      Besides, you looooove keno, but that has 80 numbers. Why are you lambasting a game that actually has 5 less?You already know that Keno is much different.  You pick 10 numbers out of 80 while the machine spits out 20 balls (numbers).  10 of 20 is 1 in 8 million, whereas picking 9 of 20 winning numbers is only 1 in 163,381.  I'd rather aim for picking 9 of 20 numbers at 1 in 163,381 than 4 of 75 at 1 in 1,215,000 anyday.  Besides, using software, Keno reveals rather unique patterns.

                      What I have shared here, Jimmy, are very simple concepts.  That's not "unfair scolding", but the value of backing up what I say with careful thought and reason.  Nonetheless, Merry Christmas to you, Jimmy.  I hope Santa puts an instant scratchoff in your stocking! :-)

                      I wonder what our fellow LP readers have to say?

                       

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                        Posted: December 24, 2005, 1:22 pm - IP Logged

                        Greg wrote:
                        "I wonder what our fellow LP readers have to say?"

                        I think you both are dreaming.  It's unlikely that JimmySand9 have job designing lottery games and it's unlikely that there will ever be a lottery game where players have a 50-50 chance of winning.  Keep dreaming, some times dreams do come true.

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                          Posted: December 24, 2005, 1:52 pm - IP Logged

                          PA might try that, get "gus the groundhog" to flip a coin every night

                          cost to play $1

                          choices (heads/Tails)

                          payout 25 cents

                          that logic works for PA;-)

                          Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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                            Posted: December 24, 2005, 2:04 pm - IP Logged

                            A 38 number field, using software, reveals more discernible patterns than a field of 75 numbers, using parameters like repeating, consecutive, or adjacent numbers

                            Yes that is true, that is why I have much better results tracking LFL as opposed to powerball. Less balls are easier to divide up and sort.