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Posted: January 8, 2006, 9:55 am - IP Logged

I hope I am not asking too personal here, but I was curious-seems like alot of people play all states. I realize this betters your chances but how is it profitable? I was trying to add that up and I can't compute. Even at 25 cents a play, playing like 20 something states (Im tired, I don't know how many states do lotto) and playing several numbers, that still comes out to alot of money to shell out. I guess the worse that could happen besides not getting a hit is hitting only one state boxed on 25 cents out of all your plays. Depending on how many numbers you played you don't come out that much ahead.

Can anyone shed some light on this, cause I would like to know where my thinking is wrong. I know its wrong or everyone wouldn't be here!!!

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    Posted: January 8, 2006, 10:07 am - IP Logged

    To do it to make a profit you need to be able to narrow down your picks per state or have a system for all states where you just choose a minimum of numbers to play in all states.

    You can specialize in a certain group of numbers. Like a pair that has ten combos in it, all the consecutives which have about ten numbers, any group of numbers that have a minimum amount of numbers in the group. You need to research the groups for hit ratio.

    Its a hit or bust deal

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      I hope I am not asking too personal here, but I was curious-seems like alot of people play all states.  I realize this betters your chances but how is it profitable? I was trying to add that up and I can't compute. Even at 20 cents a play, playing like 20 something states (Im tired, I don't know how many states do lotto) and playing several numbers, that still comes out to alot of money to shell out. I guess the worse that could happen besides not getting a hit is hitting only one state boxed on 25 cents out of all your plays. Depending on how many numbers you played you don't come out that much ahead.

      Can anyone shed some light on this, cause I would like to know where my thinking is wrong. I know its wrong or everyone wouldn't be here!!! 

      Hi Harless,

      Where do I start??? ok well here's a couple of tips Y online all state or multiple - states work good  (10 to 20).

      If you do Mid-Day all states then you trap your #'s. You can't loose that way unless your # doesn't come up or you play all straight.

      There is 20 Mid-Day and 32 Night States but, you can't play all of them online.

      CT Mid- Day TN Mid-Day and I know there is other ones...same goes with Pick 4.

      It you do 1 # or let's use my 4 #'s as a example it would cost you .25 a #. In a normal state the min is .50 cents. If I am wrong on this in any state please correct me since I only really know CT and the surronding states.

      I believe we have a edge on the house because of this. We get highier payouts also.

      The lottery was designed for one state play.....maybe 3 o 4 when you live really close to surronnding bordered states.

      So there is where I belive there is a edige besides the hightier payouts.

      4 #'s at .25 box is 1.00 now in a store you get 1 # for .50 or 2 for a buck but, I think most people play 1.00 bkup at the stores.

      Better odds/chances online also from that.

      I think a poll would be good to find out a rough estimate of how many states people play. It veries with me.

      Systems like vtrac,mirror states or followers ect.... are good example why it's more profitable and many more other systems out there that gang up on the states.

      If you play 4's @ .25 box in 4 different states it will  cost you 4.00 bucks. Each hit is 37.50. let's say you hit 2 out of 4 good job!!

      That's $75 bucks. Now If you spent 4.00 on let's say in a store you get 8 #'s compared to 16.

      Now if you state hits you get 41.50 If I figure right is what I think most states pay I know this varies.

      Ok well let's see online = $ more money better odds and faster and easier then going to the store everyday or even once a week if you play in advance.

      Total are $75 win compared to $41.50 win. Now if you hit only in one state then it's $37.50 which is less but, a .50 box is $75 dollors so if you played all the #'s the same as in a store min. you still make profit.

      The straights are the most profitable.. I have and many other people here on LP have put a .25 down on a # and BAM $225 BIG ONE"S $$$ or $900 on a buck compared to $500 in a state. LOL

      Ok that's it...been up for over 26 hours I need sleep

      Night

      PP

      Good luck to everyone!!!

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        Posted: January 8, 2006, 10:24 am - IP Logged

        To do it to make a profit you need to be able to narrow down your picks per state or have a system for all states where you just choose a minimum of numbers to play in all states.

        You can specialize in a certain group of numbers. Like a pair that has ten combos in it, all the consecutives which have about ten numbers, any group of numbers that have a minimum amount of numbers in the group. You need to research the groups for hit ratio.

        Its a hit or bust deal

        I Agree!I agree Jap69.  I do both.  I have a small group of numbers to play in all states.  (about 3) And I will put more money on the group of four states that I track. 

        One LP member was talking about missing 458 in his state and how he had been playing it for a long time.  He said that it never hit in his state and since it hadn't it was coming.  The longest number out odd.

        If it doesn't hit in your state it is hitting in other states.  I thought to myself, it fell the day before and three times tonight one way 584 and it brought 447 with it.

        There is an option of placing a number straight across the board for .25 straight in all states.  The cost is $9.50 evening and 4.75 midday

        Sundays are cheaper and combo doubles have a better payout.

         

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          Posted: January 8, 2006, 10:38 am - IP Logged

          I hope I am not asking too personal here, but I was curious-seems like alot of people play all states. I realize this betters your chances but how is it profitable? I was trying to add that up and I can't compute. Even at 25 cents a play, playing like 20 something states (Im tired, I don't know how many states do lotto) and playing several numbers, that still comes out to alot of money to shell out. I guess the worse that could happen besides not getting a hit is hitting only one state boxed on 25 cents out of all your plays. Depending on how many numbers you played you don't come out that much ahead.

          Can anyone shed some light on this, cause I would like to know where my thinking is wrong. I know its wrong or everyone wouldn't be here!!!

          I think JAP and Powerplayer have given you some good info, so all I'm adding here is that maybe you are reading the posts on LP where the numbers given are for "all states"...and this doesn't mean you should play them in all states each day -- merely that the person posting them doesn't know which state they will be drawn in. 

          If you want to see and experiment (paper only - not saying bet them) you can just pick 20 combinations for Pick 3 (any 20 basically) ...or get them from LP's random number generator...and then look at the results for several days and you will be pretty much guaranteed some of those will hit in box form. There are only 220 boxed combinations that can hit. (boxed, not straight) So 20 of them is 9% of the total. That means that you should see one of them hit 9 times (average) in every 100 draws. By saying "all states" it greatly increases the chances of a hit, as opposed to pinning it down to "one state-one day".

          The problem often is that "winning" isn't always winning. You can hit a combination, and end up with a loss rather than a profit, because you had to bet too many games, or too many combinations.

          To me, there is no sense in playing to get a "hit" if it means you are losing money in doing so.

          Let's say those 20 combos were played for 100 games (at $5.00 per 20 combos) and they did come in on average (9 times one of them hit) -- you would "win" 9 times, for a total of $337.50 --- and would have spent $500 to do so...so you would have a net loss of $162.50 for your effort.  To me, that's not winning. The risk is definitely not worth the "reward".

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            Yes NodI think having the winning numbers is what separate the winners from the losers.  If I had my choice of having the winning number or knowing what state a filter of a zillion numbers with fall in, I think I'll take the winning number.

             

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              I hope I am not asking too personal here, but I was curious-seems like alot of people play all states. I realize this betters your chances but how is it profitable? I was trying to add that up and I can't compute. Even at 25 cents a play, playing like 20 something states (Im tired, I don't know how many states do lotto) and playing several numbers, that still comes out to alot of money to shell out. I guess the worse that could happen besides not getting a hit is hitting only one state boxed on 25 cents out of all your plays. Depending on how many numbers you played you don't come out that much ahead.

              Can anyone shed some light on this, cause I would like to know where my thinking is wrong. I know its wrong or everyone wouldn't be here!!!

              I think JAP and Powerplayer have given you some good info, so all I'm adding here is that maybe you are reading the posts on LP where the numbers given are for "all states"...and this doesn't mean you should play them in all states each day -- merely that the person posting them doesn't know which state they will be drawn in. 

              If you want to see and experiment (paper only - not saying bet them) you can just pick 20 combinations for Pick 3 (any 20 basically) ...or get them from LP's random number generator...and then look at the results for several days and you will be pretty much guaranteed some of those will hit in box form. There are only 220 boxed combinations that can hit. (boxed, not straight) So 20 of them is 9% of the total. That means that you should see one of them hit 9 times (average) in every 100 draws. By saying "all states" it greatly increases the chances of a hit, as opposed to pinning it down to "one state-one day".

              The problem often is that "winning" isn't always winning. You can hit a combination, and end up with a loss rather than a profit, because you had to bet too many games, or too many combinations.

              To me, there is no sense in playing to get a "hit" if it means you are losing money in doing so.

              Let's say those 20 combos were played for 100 games (at $5.00 per 20 combos) and they did come in on average (9 times one of them hit) -- you would "win" 9 times, for a total of $337.50 --- and would have spent $500 to do so...so you would have a net loss of $162.50 for your effort.  To me, that's not winning. The risk is definitely not worth the "reward".

              Let's say those 20 combos were played for 100 games (at $5.00 per 20 combos) and they did come in on average (9 times one of them hit) -- you would "win" 9 times, for a total of $337.50 --- and would have spent $500 to do so...so you would have a net loss of $162.50 for your effort.  To me, that's not winning. The risk is definitely not worth the "reward".

              Well PUT

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                IF you are looking for only 3-4 numbers to play all state.. I would suggest Maddogg10 predictions.. Just watch him for a week...

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                  I hope I am not asking too personal here, but I was curious-seems like alot of people play all states. I realize this betters your chances but how is it profitable? I was trying to add that up and I can't compute. Even at 25 cents a play, playing like 20 something states (Im tired, I don't know how many states do lotto) and playing several numbers, that still comes out to alot of money to shell out. I guess the worse that could happen besides not getting a hit is hitting only one state boxed on 25 cents out of all your plays. Depending on how many numbers you played you don't come out that much ahead.

                  Can anyone shed some light on this, cause I would like to know where my thinking is wrong. I know its wrong or everyone wouldn't be here!!!

                  hareless,

                  There's nothing wrong with your thinking.  Playing the lotteries is gambling and the people running them whether private or public aren't loosing money which means that most people playing them are losing money unless they're lucky.  Lotteries are entertainment for the players and a business for the people running them.  Never spend more playing lotteries than you can afford to lose and maybe you  will be one of the lucky players.

                   * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                     
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                    To do it to make a profit you need to be able to narrow down your picks per state or have a system for all states where you just choose a minimum of numbers to play in all states.

                    You can specialize in a certain group of numbers. Like a pair that has ten combos in it, all the consecutives which have about ten numbers, any group of numbers that have a minimum amount of numbers in the group. You need to research the groups for hit ratio.

                    Its a hit or bust deal

                    I Agree!I agree Jap69.  I do both.  I have a small group of numbers to play in all states.  (about 3) And I will put more money on the group of four states that I track. 

                    One LP member was talking about missing 458 in his state and how he had been playing it for a long time.  He said that it never hit in his state and since it hadn't it was coming.  The longest number out odd.

                    If it doesn't hit in your state it is hitting in other states.  I thought to myself, it fell the day before and three times tonight one way 584 and it brought 447 with it.

                    There is an option of placing a number straight across the board for .25 straight in all states.  The cost is $9.50 evening and 4.75 midday

                    Sundays are cheaper and combo doubles have a better payout.

                     

                    DanceI have a straight hit on 485 in Jersey.  I think some peope are too observant of the wrong things and take their eyes off the prize.  Two people on this thread was so set on proving Jap69 and me wrong that they missed the hit.  It's obvious that 485 is traveling.  I said 744 was traveling with it.  744 hit in Pa last night.  Hello!  It was coming that way.

                    It bit them on the ass.  A horse's ass.  The one that you can't make drink from the stream. 

                    takeemtothebank

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                      It follows the 12/26-pairs...

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                        To do it to make a profit you need to be able to narrow down your picks per state or have a system for all states where you just choose a minimum of numbers to play in all states.

                        You can specialize in a certain group of numbers. Like a pair that has ten combos in it, all the consecutives which have about ten numbers, any group of numbers that have a minimum amount of numbers in the group. You need to research the groups for hit ratio.

                        Its a hit or bust deal

                        I Agree!I agree Jap69.  I do both.  I have a small group of numbers to play in all states.  (about 3) And I will put more money on the group of four states that I track. 

                        One LP member was talking about missing 458 in his state and how he had been playing it for a long time.  He said that it never hit in his state and since it hadn't it was coming.  The longest number out odd.

                        If it doesn't hit in your state it is hitting in other states.  I thought to myself, it fell the day before and three times tonight one way 584 and it brought 447 with it.

                        There is an option of placing a number straight across the board for .25 straight in all states.  The cost is $9.50 evening and 4.75 midday

                        Sundays are cheaper and combo doubles have a better payout.

                         

                        DanceI have a straight hit on 485 in Jersey.  I think some peope are too observant of the wrong things and take their eyes off the prize.  Two people on this thread was so set on proving Jap69 and me wrong that they missed the hit.  It's obvious that 485 is traveling.  I said 744 was traveling with it.  744 hit in Pa last night.  Hello!  It was coming that way.

                        It bit them on the ass.  A horse's ass.  The one that you can't make drink from the stream. 

                         

                         

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                          Yes NodI think having the winning numbers is what separate the winners from the losers.  If I had my choice of having the winning number or knowing what state a filter of a zillion numbers with fall in, I think I'll take the winning number.

                           

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                          I placed it in all states because I know it was a winner!!!!!!!!

                          The difference between those who require state specific and the ones who don't can't narrow their numbers down because they don't know which ones are winners and they don't know how to read the board to play them straight.  And it's coming back!

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                            I play 225 and 748 straight ($1 each) every day in 13 states.  They don't always have two draws a day, but to make the math easier...playing 2 draws a day for 13 states = $26/day or $780 in a 30 day period (it is less than that).  I normally get 2 straights a month.  Last month I had 2 straights before the middle of the month.  I was hoping for 4 straights, but got 3.  Even with 2 per month that is $900 x 2 (on line) = $1800.  Profit is $1800-$780 = $1020 per month.  It helps pay the bills.

                             

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                              I play 225 and 748 straight ($1 each) every day in 13 states.  They don't always have two draws a day, but to make the math easier...playing 2 draws a day for 13 states = $26/day or $780 in a 30 day period (it is less than that).  I normally get 2 straights a month.  Last month I had 2 straights before the middle of the month.  I was hoping for 4 straights, but got 3.  Even with 2 per month that is $900 x 2 (on line) = $1800.  Profit is $1800-$780 = $1020 per month.  It helps pay the bills.

                               

                              Yes NodThose are your pets huh.  Congrat$. I know a couple people whose pet is 225.  Is there a certain time of the month you know they will come?  748 is a notorius repeater and that's why it is so regular. 

                              When you know a pattern you can do that.  What 13 states do you play.  I'd like to backtest it.

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