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Lottery System - A Debate.

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Posted: April 2, 2006, 1:08 pm - IP Logged

The point is why would someone sell you a "lottery system" for a small price, ANY price for that matter. And the most obvious question, why do they need to sell the system for money if their system works so well. They try to make you believe that there is a minor flaw in the lottery that they found and you can use that to increase your chances. Bull! The lottery is probably the most flawless system in the world. Think about it, they have $1 million to $100 million on the line.

 And they'll have you believe that in the last several months some numbers have appeared more than others, that might be true. Go buy a lottery machine and draw numbers for hours and I'm sure that you will get some numbers more than others. Then do it the next day and you'll get some numbers more than others again. But I bet you they won't be the same ones you got the day before!

The scoop: You can't beat a system of pure chance. If someone was selling you a system on how to win a fair coin toss, would you believe it? It's ridiculous, and I am tired of seeing companies scamming people with this in order to make a quick buck. I hope I have saved you a lot of time and money.

Any comments?

Suja 

 

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    Posted: April 2, 2006, 1:20 pm - IP Logged

    I totally agree with everything you said.

    But, I am working on a system program and will give it away for free here at Lottery Post to anyone who wants to try it out. I love to write programs.

    I give away my systems because I agree with you 100%.

    Smiley Steve

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      Posted: April 2, 2006, 1:21 pm - IP Logged

      You're Absolutely Right:

                            End Of Debate!ROFL

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        Posted: April 2, 2006, 4:40 pm - IP Logged

        Had you checked prior posts at this forum, you would have discovered that you are one of hundreds who believe lottery systems are worthless, a waste of time, etc.

        Much of what you say is true; however, there is more than a little evidence, also posted at this forum, indicating that analysis of prior drawings can help a lottery gambler come up with winning combinations.

        Here is a challenge for you to consider.

        Get yourself a pad of graph paper and some pencils. Go to the official website for your state lottery and open the history files. I suggest you open a pick 5 game.

        Copy the last 50 drawings onto the graph paper. Log the individual combinations in alphabetical order, not in order drawn.

        Convert number combinations into an adjacent alphabetical sequence, using the standard code: A for numbers 1 to 9, B for numbers 10-19, C for the 20s, D for the 30s, E for the 40s and F for the 50s. 

        When completed you would have a date, the winning combination, the alphabetical sequence one same line.

        Using a different piece of graph paper, list the A numbers in the oder they appear, then the B, the C, etc. When you are done you will have established what is generally called a Hot sheet for individual numbers. You should then establish an inventory showing how many times each numbers has come up over the 50 drawings.

        You should then start another data stream using the pairs in the alphabetical sequences. Log them in the order that they appear in Positions 1&2, Positions 2&3, Positions 3&4 and Positions 4&5. Do the same thing with the triples in Positions 1.2.3, Positions 2.3.4 and Positions 3.4.5. Use another piece of graph paper to maintain an inventory so that you can readily known which pairs and triples come up more often.

        I'll bet money that once you have this much data, you will come up with other data streams that will you give some suggested numbers and sequences for the next drawing. or the next few drawings if you choose to play the same number sets for several days running.

        After you use the information you have compiled, you will begin to wonder if maybe there are other ways to pick numbers, like a wheeling system. After a thorough search of internet sites on wheeling, you will form some ideas of your own.

        If you do deeper research, you will discover information about what lottery number combinations players should avoid, such as 1.2.3.4.5, etc.

        At this point, you will see, by your own efforts, that analysis of past random drawing results, can be useful.

        You will also realize that you need a means whereby you can examine all of the data streams you have compiled to come up with possible winners. In other words, you will need a lottery system that uses computer programs to analyze data and produce as many combinations as a user may want.

        As an aside, there are three basic types of lottery gamblers:

        One, those who are content with the combinations issued by a random number generator used by all lotteries. These are called quick picks. This method has been very kind to a small percentage of players, but a waste of money for the vast majority.

        Two, folks who pick their own numbers, such as birthdays, special dates, various designs on the play slip, etc. No attempt is made to know if the combinations to be played have ever come up in a prior drawing. These folks don't care about the past.

        Three, folks who pick their own numbers using what I call 'organized guesswork.' These folks have all sorts of data streams to guide their selections, such as those mentioned above. Some of these folks purchase and use the data streams incorporated into most of the lottery systems. They do this for convenience, not because they believe the programmer for the system in use is any better at picking numbers than they are.

        However, some lottery system programmers are more successful than others. The one I use now and then helped me win $900 in two Texas Cash 5 drawings in November.

        Finally, most serious lottery gamblers know that lottery system claims of having the found the winning secret are  patently false. But, the data streams used to make predictions are usually complete and reliable.

        Give it a try, Suja. Perhaps you will come to believe that you are both right and wrong when it comes to the value of lottery systems.

         

         

         

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          There is a difference between a lottery program and a lottery system.  A lottery program is for storing and analyzing data from previous drawings.  A lottery system is a strategy to pick, cover or match the winning numbers.  Most lottery program will include some simple system like playing hot/cold numbers but most of their systems are just random numbers because two people using the same program will come up different combinations to play. If a program have some good analyzing tools then it's worth the money and system players will use them to develop their strategies. 

          No one with common sense would expect to win a lottery jackpot by investing in a $50 lottery program.  If winning a jackpot was that easy then there would be no million dollars jackpots.

          I personally use a program and system that I created myself for my own pleasure because I enjoy picking my own numbers and playing the lotteries.  I think there are short term patterns in all lotteries and a player with a good strategy can improve his chances to win some money when they occur.  I'm not in the business or writing programs and I not interested in helping someone else win a lottery jackpot before I've won one myself so it's not for sale or share.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Posted: April 2, 2006, 8:47 pm - IP Logged

            Here's some interesting info along these lines, in the world of mail order, people who order gambling systems are the most likely to send a bad check. In other words, they just don't want to beat the house, they want to beat the person selling the information out of the money for the info, too.

            I'm thinking this might also be the same with sellers of lottery systems, a lot of people who sell gambling information are they themselves players, just trying to raise more money to go play with, or to recover losses.

            I think if anyone did ever "crack the code" and developed a "system" or method of play that could let you play a lotto - anything from a Pick 3 to a MM or PB, they'd be very foolish to peddle it.

            On another thread right here on Lottery Post someone mentioned (I'm sorry I don't remember who) that Oregon no longer has a Pick 3.  I'm pretty sure if anyone ever proved they could beat any lottery game consistently that's exactly what would happen, the game would simply become unavailable. Well, legally unavailable!

             

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              Posted: April 2, 2006, 11:54 pm - IP Logged

              The lottery is a random number negative expectation game that can not be predicted by a system you buy for $29.99 off the internet. 

              On the other hand, there is nothing that guarantees that same $29.99 system won't win the jackpot with the numbers you play whether you work the system correctly or not because the outcome of the game is RANDOM anything can happen within the game's perimeters. 

              Any system that causes you to play more tickets then usual automatically improves your odds of winning.

              That said: If I were to sell a shaker box with 49 dimples containing six copper ball bearings and six silver ball bearings along with a 12 number wheel in 22 lines that guarantees a 88% chance of a 5# prize with six correct numbers or 100% of 9 - 4# prizes and 3 - 4# prizes with five correct numbers  and multiple 3# prizes with four correct numbers and even 2 - 3# prizes with three correct numbers, where one win with six correct numbers would cover playing costs for half a year, is that helping people or cheating people? 

              Some systems are cheats, some are potential paths to a win, but luck is always involved.

              It begins with the quality of the system and ends with the determination of the player to follow a legitimate system to a good outcome with no possible guarantee except for the wheel. 

               1  2  3  4  5  6
               1  2  3  7  8 10
               1  2  4  8  9 11
               1  2  5  7  9 12
               1  2  6 10 11 12
               1  3  4  7 11 12
               1  3  5  9 10 11
               1  3  6  8  9 12
               1  4  5  8 10 12
               1  4  6  7  9 10
               1  5  6  7  8 11
               2  3  4  9 10 12
               2  3  5  8 11 12
               2  3  6  7  9 11
               2  4  5  7 10 11
               2  4  6  7  8 12
               2  5  6  8  9 10
               3  4  5  7  8  9
               3  4  6  8 10 11
               3  5  6  7 10 12
               4  5  6  9 11 12
               7  8  9 10 11 12
              end 22 lines 88% 5if6in12numbers by BobP

               


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                The point is why would someone sell you a "lottery system" for a small price, ANY price for that matter. And the most obvious question, why do they need to sell the system for money if their system works so well. They try to make you believe that there is a minor flaw in the lottery that they found and you can use that to increase your chances. Bull! The lottery is probably the most flawless system in the world. Think about it, they have $1 million to $100 million on the line.

                 And they'll have you believe that in the last several months some numbers have appeared more than others, that might be true. Go buy a lottery machine and draw numbers for hours and I'm sure that you will get some numbers more than others. Then do it the next day and you'll get some numbers more than others again. But I bet you they won't be the same ones you got the day before!

                The scoop: You can't beat a system of pure chance. If someone was selling you a system on how to win a fair coin toss, would you believe it? It's ridiculous, and I am tired of seeing companies scamming people with this in order to make a quick buck. I hope I have saved you a lot of time and money.

                Any comments?

                Suja 

                 

                With all due respect, what you wrote is almost verbatim from a pitch made by some person who is sellling info on the net, and using what you wrote above as a tool to order his or her wealth plan.

                If you do a search on yahoo or google, and type in "lottery secrets" or anything like that, you'll see to the right, a paid ad space, which says something like, "lottery truths", or something to that description. I do alot of searches on different aspects of the lottery on the net and see this person's pitch all the time. What he's selling is some direct mail order or some kind of internet business.

                No big deal, that you were quoting his pitch, it's just strange to read a post, and recognize it immediately.

                As far as the point of it all, there is one. People around the world make a living off gambling. Not alot of people, but those who know what they're doing.

                Also what the person mentions about flaws of some kind, 99 percent of people use different reasoning to choose their numbers, than thinking the machines are flawed. They look for short term patterns and trends as their guide, not on flaws pertaining to the machines.

                On the subject of whether someone would sell you a system, as long as they aren't selling you a jackpot system, I don't see a problem. Selling you, and a hundred other people from 30 states, some kind of p-3 or p-4 system won't affect me in any way. Selling a sure fire jackpot system might. So I don't get that philosophy.

                Not to mention, when someone has an entreprenurial mentality, nothing can stop them from making more money in as many avenues as possible. Most though, unfortunately, realize that they can make more money selling the useless info, than making money off the system itself.

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                  For those of you who can remember record albums (vinyl) the cover of Kenny Roger's album The Gambler showed a Faro game - looke something like an abacus that tracked a deck of cards (which was exactly what it was). There were virutally no odds in that game, except for the last three cards (which were called "soda"). Up until "soda", everything was an even money bet.  Because it was an even money bet the casinos took the game of Faro out.

                  My point is any system that beat the lotto would kill the lotto.  

                   

                   

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                    "Two, folks who pick their own numbers, such as birthdays, special dates, various designs on the play slip, etc. No attempt is made to know if the combinations to be played have ever come up in a prior drawing. These folks don't care about the past."  Bobby623

                    I must then fall into another category (like 2-1/2) because the first part of this paragraph is true, I do use birthdays and ages, but I am sure my "special dates" definitely have never come up in a prior drawing. I wish I had played a random design I came up with one day once for no reason. I'd be retired. Sometimes I read a press release that says "I just had a feeling and picked these numbers." No matter how silly a reason is for picking numbers, these people won! Mr. Hawkins won $113M playing PB.

                    ***Hawkins chose his winning numbers himself and provided this explanation:

                    • 8 is one of his favorite numbers.
                    • 15 was the number on his brother’s dirt-racing motorcycle when they were young.
                    • 16 is the date of his wife’s birthday.
                    • 45 is the age he will be on his next birthday in March.
                    • 51 is a number he randomly chose between 45 and 55, the highest number in the Powerball game.
                    • 11 is the date of his oldest son’s birthday.***

                      "These are called quick picks. This method has been very kind to a small percentage of players, but a waste of money for the vast majority." Bobby623

                    Tell that to the woman who won $50M in Jan or the young student who collected $46M a few months ago in FL.  They both used QPs. Many of the Fantasy 5 wins are QPs. I think the Wests In Oregon won PB with a QP, didn't they?  How about this PB winner?

                     ***Floyd Scheinost, a retired electrician, purchased the family's winning ticket just hours before the Nov. 2 draw at Cosentino's Apple Market, 11501 E. 63rd St. in Raytown. He said he has bought five combinations twice a week at that location for years, and he always lets the computer select his combinations. The winning numbers from the Nov. 2 drawing were: 6, 11, 14, 27, 41 and the Powerball number was 38.*** 

                    If you win, whatever method you use isn't a waste of money.