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Here's a system for online Pick 3'ers

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Posted: April 5, 2006, 7:28 pm - IP Logged

As you may know, Betslips minimum wager is $10.00

If a person were to play a safe bet and want as much bang for their buck as possible, then going for the 6-way box would be the most common and most frequent payout avaliable.

If said person was frugal with their hard-earned money, then playing the minimum per day would probably be the path to take.

So this imaginary player would play $10.00 per day and want to wager 35 6-way box picks, and 5 additional numbers, and get a return at or above $300 per month to make the game fun at the very least.

Below is the last 30 draws from Texas' Day Pick 3.

4/5/2006176
 
4/4/2006702
4/3/2006182
4/1/2006881
3/31/2006387
3/30/2006668
3/29/2006568
3/28/2006989
3/27/2006678
3/25/2006456
3/24/2006826
3/23/2006808
3/22/2006735
3/21/2006152
3/20/2006680
3/18/2006795
3/17/2006836
3/16/2006304
3/15/2006027
3/14/2006648
3/13/2006790
3/11/2006053
3/10/2006238
3/9/2006830
3/8/2006191
3/7/2006728
3/6/2006325
3/4/2006171
3/3/2006091
3/2/2006130

Now, since this imaginary player is primarily interested in the 6-way box wins, the player will ignore all numbers that are doubles and triples.

Ok, the player wants to wheel 7 numbers to produce 35 picks and then the player will have 5 more picks to choose to round it up to 40 picks and at 25 cents per pick, will come to his $10.00 minimum.

In order to get as many hits at possible in the coming draws and ASSUMING that past performance IS indicative of future results, the player will make a list of the numbers 0 thru 9 and add up the individual number frequencies for ONLY the unique draws, ignoring the doubles and triples.

0 = 9(hot)

1 = 5

2 = 8(hot)

3 = 9(hot)

4 = 3

5 = 7(hot)

6 = 8(hot)

7 = 9(hot)

8 = 11(hot)

9 = 3

So, the player would generate 35 combos using the 0, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 8 producing these picks...

0235678 Results are...

023 - 025 - 026 - 027 - 028 - 035 - 036
037 - 038 - 056 - 057 - 058 - 067 - 068
078 - 235 - 236 - 237 - 238 - 256 - 257
258 - 267 - 268 - 278 - 356 - 357 - 358
367 - 368 - 378 - 567 - 568 - 578 - 678


Now, we can review the draw history of Texas Pick 3 and count up 14 hits had the player played them.

So, if the current 30 day draw history is any indication of the next 30 day draw history, we would be in the money, so to speak.

But since the player only generated 35 numbers, there are 5 picks left that the player needs to come up with to fulfill his $10.00 wager minimum and those picks could really make a difference. They could be played as all 25 cent straight or whatever. Those 5 picks could be considered wild card plays and be changed on a daily basis.

I think this is a pretty fair strategy as far as playing it safe.

Does anybody use this strategy already?

Smiley Steve

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    You're boot strapping, trying to pull yourself up by your boot straps. You can't use the history to create picks for the same history, of course it's going to do well!!!  To do this sort of thing properly for thirty days, you need to go back sixty days, make the frequency chart and wheel from the first thirty and then see how it would have done against the next thirty.

    Another way would be to make a fresh frequency chart daily from the previous 30 days or 10 days or 7 days and test against the next draw for 30 days to see if the theory is valid.   

     

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      sfilippo

      That has already been tried before by many and BobP is right.

      For me when I tried it a very long time ago it didn't work for Texas.

      The winning numbers are not made-up of only "Hot" digits.

      If you develop a system using past draws, it will work for those same past draws of course, but might not often work for future draws, at least not as well as it did with those past draws.

      You can ask Paurths about that, I think that he tried to make automatic predictions with his software based on past draws performance and it just didn't work at all, there is also a software out there that tests and uses thousands of "systems" (I would not call them systems myself) that just does not often works if at all.

      This does not mean that it is not possible to develop winning systems based on past draws as for the most part past draws is all that we have to work with besides the make-up or mechanics of the game.

      I can say that whatever systems I have ever developed were based on past draws.

      Some kind of an understanding of "Random" probabilities is a most have.

      Statistics is the teacher.

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        Posted: April 6, 2006, 6:17 am - IP Logged

        Okay, then the previous 30 days from the above list would be these numbers...


        3/1/2006    8 6 5 *
        2/28/2006    1 0 5
        2/27/2006    4 5 5
        2/25/2006    8 7 6
        2/24/2006    7 4 4
        2/23/2006    8 1 8
        2/22/2006    2 1 7
        2/21/2006    5 0 3
        2/20/2006    5 8 1 *
        2/18/2006    3 2 1 *
        2/17/2006    6 3 1 *
        2/16/2006    2 5 5
        2/15/2006    1 1 4
        2/14/2006    0 5 9
        2/13/2006    1 6 4
        2/11/2006    0 4 4
        2/10/2006    4 9 7
        2/9/2006    2 4 9
        2/8/2006    6 9 5 *
        2/7/2006    9 6 3 *
        2/6/2006    6 8 2 *
        2/4/2006    8 5 3 *
        2/3/2006    0 2 7
        2/2/2006    4 9 3
        2/1/2006    4 6 8
        1/31/2006    5 5 8
        1/30/2006    8 1 1
        1/28/2006    2 6 9 *
        1/27/2006    2 2 4
        1/26/2006    5 7 6

        ____________________________
        1235689

        123 - 125 - 126 - 128 - 129 - 135 - 136
        138 - 139 - 156 - 158 - 159 - 168 - 169
        189 - 235 - 236 - 238 - 239 - 256 - 258
        259 - 268 - 269 - 289 - 356 - 358 - 359
        368 - 369 - 389 - 568 - 569 - 589 - 689

        ____________________________

        I think I see your point now. Using these numbers to play the following month would get 7 hits. It wouldn't be enough to make a profit.



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          sfilippo

          That has already been tried before by many and BobP is right.

          For me when I tried it a very long time ago it didn't work for Texas.

          The winning numbers are not made-up of only "Hot" digits.

          If you develop a system using past draws, it will work for those same past draws of course, but might not often work for future draws, at least not as well as it did with those past draws.

          You can ask Paurths about that, I think that he tried to make automatic predictions with his software based on past draws performance and it just didn't work at all, there is also a software out there that tests and uses thousands of "systems" (I would not call them systems myself) that just does not often works if at all.

          This does not mean that it is not possible to develop winning systems based on past draws as for the most part past draws is all that we have to work with besides the make-up or mechanics of the game.

          I can say that whatever systems I have ever developed were based on past draws.

          Some kind of an understanding of "Random" probabilities is a most have.

          Statistics is the teacher.

          Hi,

          what i used was a little different from what is showed here by sfilippo.
          I used, ofcourse, past history to get position-specific digits, meaning that it was for straight hits only.
          I'm not gonna discuss how the dynamics worked, b/c somewhere i left it behind and will take it up back soon when lotsoft is pretty much finished.
          Wonder where WinD is these days... he got the pm from me with picks for "the next 12 days".

          The strange thing was, my "method" did not work for the next draw, but worked for the draw that was coming 11 days later.
          Then again, it did not work very much, otherwise i would now be sitting at the beach, on my own island.
          The method produced 27 numbers (3 digits per position; 3 * 3 * 3 = 27) and included 6-ways, doubles and triples.
          I tested this for some time, but then the dynamics of the game changed and the predictor did not produce winning numbers for the 11th draw to follow, but for the 8th draw.
          A good week alter it changed again and i couldn't see the woods through the three's anymore (it was a rather complex algorithm i used for it and in my "hurry hurry, create it and strike!" i did not document it that very well)

          In a few weeks i'll have a 2 week vacation coming up and i'll have some time to take a good look at it again.

          simply put: it did not work as it should, i can tell by looking at my bankaccount. Wink

           

          Now, Lantern, i think that what you refer to is the HotCold-page in LotSoft.
          This feature is not a predictiontool by far, but it has 7 different settings that the user can or might use at his or her advantage. (there's Hot and Cold, and then there's "Between". Think of all the combinations of those 3!!!)

          I'm a "Due ? No, Extremely Due"-kind of player, some might know that.
          I try to combine the extremele overdue with what's hot.
          You know what i hate?
          I've been telling on LP about VA midday, missing sumdigits 17 (out for 111 draws) several days now, and have played the numbers myself a few days already.
          However, from work i can not access LP (or the offstore place) unless i connect to a wireless network that sometimes pops up here lol,
          i posted in the "prediction-thread" from sfilippo the day before yesterday, using the 17-sum, but yesterday i couldn't, also not on the offstore-website,
          yesterday was a very bad day, yesterday 890 hit.

          Sum 17 had 13 draws for average, and was missing 111 draws, that's almost 9 times due!!!
          Anything out that long will hit very very very soon...

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            Paurths

             The software with the thousands of systems that I was talking about is MAXHITPRO.

            That MaxHitPro program does not work too well.

            As to LotSoft I can't say too much about it as I can't use it on my computer, it does not install on it, so I have not used it.

            But there are 2 ways in which MaxHitPro can perhaps be of some use for the pick 3, I never tested it for any other games as only the pick 3 portion of it runs on my computer, I guess that the other games need more memory and speed, which my pc does not have.

            For a program that needs so many computer resources to work, it does not often give out the winning number, I am again talking about MaxHitPro of course.

            As to Paurths, I suggest that you take a good look at pairs of which the pick 3 has 3 of them and see what you can work out with them, mostly take a look at what I call "Complementary pairs", straight pairs that have a common digit between them and so combine with each other to make a straight pick 3 number. Can also be done with any order or boxed pairs, but would make way too many pick 3 combinations.

            1 boxed "Key pair" would also be O.K. or better yet 1 to 3 or more straight "Key pairs".

            Straight predictions for the very next draw would of course be best.

            For me, combinations of some filters have worked best, but to me everything is a filter, including of course pairs.

            Good luck.

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              Posted: April 6, 2006, 10:46 am - IP Logged

              There is a problem with the whole concept of this topic.

              Betslips does not have a minimum bet of $10.00.

              You can make a single .25 (quarter) bet if you want.

              The 10.00 thing is the minimum funding amount, and has nothing to do with playing games.

               

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                paurths, LANTERN

                I tried this not too long ago as well. It's hard to judge the future performance. I do have an adaptation for it though for the Pick-4 game, but the bankroll reqs are very high.

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                  Okay, then the previous 30 days from the above list would be these numbers...


                  3/1/2006    8 6 5 *
                  2/28/2006    1 0 5
                  2/27/2006    4 5 5
                  2/25/2006    8 7 6
                  2/24/2006    7 4 4
                  2/23/2006    8 1 8
                  2/22/2006    2 1 7
                  2/21/2006    5 0 3
                  2/20/2006    5 8 1 *
                  2/18/2006    3 2 1 *
                  2/17/2006    6 3 1 *
                  2/16/2006    2 5 5
                  2/15/2006    1 1 4
                  2/14/2006    0 5 9
                  2/13/2006    1 6 4
                  2/11/2006    0 4 4
                  2/10/2006    4 9 7
                  2/9/2006    2 4 9
                  2/8/2006    6 9 5 *
                  2/7/2006    9 6 3 *
                  2/6/2006    6 8 2 *
                  2/4/2006    8 5 3 *
                  2/3/2006    0 2 7
                  2/2/2006    4 9 3
                  2/1/2006    4 6 8
                  1/31/2006    5 5 8
                  1/30/2006    8 1 1
                  1/28/2006    2 6 9 *
                  1/27/2006    2 2 4
                  1/26/2006    5 7 6

                  ____________________________
                  1235689

                  123 - 125 - 126 - 128 - 129 - 135 - 136
                  138 - 139 - 156 - 158 - 159 - 168 - 169
                  189 - 235 - 236 - 238 - 239 - 256 - 258
                  259 - 268 - 269 - 289 - 356 - 358 - 359
                  368 - 369 - 389 - 568 - 569 - 589 - 689

                  ____________________________

                  I think I see your point now. Using these numbers to play the following month would get 7 hits. It wouldn't be enough to make a profit.



                  Online 7 hits is not really bad as a box hit pays $150.

                  24 draws for Texas on 4 weeks (28 days), 35x24=840 Dollars, 7x150=$1050, $210 profit.

                  But it would be best to either reduce those 35 picks to fewer maybe with some kind of filters or to try to re-position the individual digits for straight hits, 2 straight hits out of the 7 might be enough for a good profit online, but guessing right is not so easy to do.

                  Winning in 1 draw out of 4 with 35 picks is not so good, even online, but not too bad either.

                  Study doing the same with only doubles and see if you can do better as doubles pay more.

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                    paurths, LANTERN

                    I tried this not too long ago as well. It's hard to judge the future performance. I do have an adaptation for it though for the Pick-4 game, but the bankroll reqs are very high.

                    cps10

                    Maybe try breaking down the pick 4 into pairs and work on it in that way, or work on it as if it was "An extended" pick 3, that is a pick 3 game with just one extra digit as people and states who have pick 4 and pick 3 mixed games do, such as rtxx, I think that they can play front and or back pick 3s on their pick 4s.

                    Pick 3 lottery programs work on pairs.

                    Enter like these:

                    For front pair workouts.

                    370

                    490

                    010

                    650

                    xx0

                    And like these for back pair workouts:

                    0xx

                    067

                    036

                    040

                    083

                    Etc.

                    xx00 Front pair.

                    00xx back pair.

                    xx = pair's digits.

                    0 or 00 = Extra digits or left over digits.

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                      Unless you have proper pick 4 software, then no need for that.

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                        There is a problem with the whole concept of this topic.

                        Betslips does not have a minimum bet of $10.00.

                        You can make a single .25 (quarter) bet if you want.

                        The 10.00 thing is the minimum funding amount, and has nothing to do with playing games.

                        Todd

                        Yes, I myself understand that.

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                          No problem.  I think sfilippo didn't understand it, and it's a pretty big difference.

                           

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                            By the way, BetSlips does not have a minimum wager of $10.00. The 10 bucks is the minimum transfered by Click2Pay.  If your wager is less than $10.00 it will be carried in your account until your next wager.  My first bet was for $4.00 and today I bet $8.00.

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                              I misunderstood the info at Betslips. Thanks for the clarification, Todd and Super8. That makes a big difference.


                              Here's the part from FAQ at Betslips that threw me off...

                              Q: Why is there a minimum purchase requirement of US $10.00?

                              A: Because of the costs associated with every credit card charge that is placed on our web site, we cannot accept orders of less than US $10.00. If you place an order for less than US $10.00, we will charge your credit card US $10.00 and place the difference into your Betslips.com online account, where it can be used as credit toward future orders. However, if your Betslips.com account has enough credit available to cover the full cost of your order, the $10.00 minimum purchase requirement is waived.

                              I figured the word 'purchase' meant minimum ticket amount for a day's play.... It's a little confusing to me the way it's worded.

                              Smiley Steve