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Posted: April 10, 2006, 6:26 pm - IP Logged

I'm curious as to whether anyone's into these pick 10 games enough to justify a thread on them.  Stalyn started a thread on NY Pick 10, but the response was relatively limited and short-lived.  Maybe a more general topic label will generate broader response, if there's anyone doing anything on those games.

I have a number of strategies and methods for the high-number long draw games, and if anyone much on LP is playing them, I'd guess so do they.

I'm just running it up on the flagpole to see if anyone salutes.  If anyone wants to get into any discussions about the nuts and bolts of the keno games, I'm game.

Jack

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    I would like to know more.. TN will be getting Keno by end of summer..

     

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      I think your pot of gold can easily be found in your skill and ease for writing. YOU are a magnificent writer. Whimsical, expressive and a keen sense for saying what most of us can't seem to pen, but attempt to anyway.

      I'm reading your blog. It's the best!

      Write books!!!

      Oh, and here's some numbers...

      01 04 16 22 23 30 36 37 65 66

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        tntea:

        That's cool.  You ought to make an excellent player for them.

        You might be finding out how they're going to run the game.  Some have the option of only picking 3 or 4 numbers out of the draw.  Lottery Post doesn't have the capability for testing methods on that part of things (it's plenty difficult enough to just do a history search on the high numbers.  The search engine won't read the high numbers for some reason unless there are 'extra numbers' you don't need in the search ..... low end numbers).

        Here's the way Atlantic Canada's set up:

        Prize Payout of KENO Atlantic
        Match Number of Prizes Prize Amount
        10 of 10 0 $250,000
        9 of 10 0 $5,000
        8 of 10 8 $200
        7 of 10 27 $25
        6 of 10 158 $5
        0 of 10 111 $2
        9 of 9 0 $50,000
        8 of 9 0 $1,000
        7 of 9 0 $100
        6 of 9 17 $5
        5 of 9 58 $2
        8 of 8 0 $25,000
        7 of 8 0 $200
        6 of 8 10 $10
        5 of 8 71 $2
        7 of 7 0 $5,000
        6 of 7 7 $100
        5 of 7 53 $5
        6 of 6 0 $1,000
        5 of 6 12 $25
        4 of 6 226 $2
        5 of 5 1 $250
        4 of 5 182 $10
        4 of 4 23 $75
        3 of 4 292 $2
        3 of 3 76 $25
        2 of 2 81 $7

        Prize Payout of TAG
        Match TAG Numbers Number of Prizes Prize Amount
        All 6 Digits 247982 0 $100,000
        Last 5 Digits 47982 0 $1,000
        Last 4 Digits 7982 1 $100
        Last 3 Digits 982 2 $20
        Last 2 Digits 82 24 $10
        Last Digit 2 298 $2

        * In the event of a discrepancy between this report and the official winning numbers report, the latter shall prevail.

         

         

         

         In some ways those lesser number picks seem to me to be a fine option.  Unfortunately there's no way to try them out on LP.  You have to pick all 10 or it won't accept the prediction post.

        Anyway, I envy you.

        Jack

         

         

         

         

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        It's about number behavior.

        Egos don't count.

         

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          Posted: April 10, 2006, 7:25 pm - IP Logged

          I think your pot of gold can easily be found in your skill and ease for writing. YOU are a magnificent writer. Whimsical, expressive and a keen sense for saying what most of us can't seem to pen, but attempt to anyway.

          I'm reading your blog. It's the best!

          Write books!!!

          Oh, and here's some numbers...

          01 04 16 22 23 30 36 37 65 66

          sflippo:

          Thanks for the kind words.

          My books, The Lost Adams Diggings, Myth, Mystery and Madness, Hell Bent for Santa Fe, Desert Emergency Survival Basics, and Poetry of the New Old West, haven't been a pot of gold, by any stretch.

          But they're all still on Amazon.

          However, I keep my toe in the water on the horrid writing compulsion with blogs and whatnot.

          But for the purposes of Lottery Post discussion, my passion is random number behavior.

          Specifically, pick 10s.

          I'm grateful to you for the words.

          Jack

          Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

          It's about number behavior.

          Egos don't count.

           

          Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

           

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            Posted: April 10, 2006, 8:43 pm - IP Logged

            I would like to know more.. TN will be getting Keno by end of summer..

             

            tntea:

            One of the things you might look at when it gets there is the LP full wheels for pick 5. You can combine two pick five wheels of any size to do a middling good job on the pick 10s if you have some good numbers, but you aren't certain which are best.

            I usually use 14 numbers for the pick 10 predictions and full wheel half of each set on the Pick 5 wheeling engine. Then I pull out the hyphens on WP, cut and paste to Notepad to get it all into text format, then put it on the spreadsheet and combine them. It's cumbersome, but I'm too stupid to figure out an easier way.

            Works fairly well, but it's time consuming and I'd imagine a comp literati could do it a lot more efficiently.

            Jack

            Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

            It's about number behavior.

            Egos don't count.

             

            Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

             

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              Posted: April 10, 2006, 9:17 pm - IP Logged

              Jack, one reason why people in LP are not into pick10 is because not too many states have it. therefore, people dont pay mind to it. the game is very fun and easy to come up with strategies and methods. lets hope others state get it. I guess I'm lucky to be in one other few states to have it.Cool

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                Posted: April 10, 2006, 9:21 pm - IP Logged

                Thanks Rip..

                Will continue to wait for TN..

                 

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                  Here in Mass. keno is played every 4 minutes if anyone is interested as I am a player. top is 12 which pays $1,000,000

                                          11 of 12  pays $25,000

                                          10 OF 12 PAYS $2500

                                            9 OF 12 PAYS $1,000

                                            8 OF 12 PAYS $150

                                            7 OF 12 PAYS $25

                                            6 OF 12 PAYS $5

                                            0 OF 12 PAYS $4

                  THIS GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF THE TOP PRIZE AND THAT PEAKS MY INTEREST,SO ANY TIPS OR SYSTEMS ARE WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS.

                  bY THE WAY IT STARTS TO DROP DOWN TO 11-10-9 ETC.TO AS LOW AS A 1 SPOT WHICH PAYS $2.50 FOR A HIT.

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                    P.S. forgot to say it is a 20/80 keno.

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                      Jack, one reason why people in LP are not into pick10 is because not too many states have it. therefore, people dont pay mind to it. the game is very fun and easy to come up with strategies and methods. lets hope others state get it. I guess I'm lucky to be in one other few states to have it.Cool

                      Stalyn:

                      I'd guess that's probably one of the reasons.  Another might just be the fact it looks so complicated compared to pick 3 or 4 or 5.  But to be honest, seems to me it's one of those instances where more numbers are to the advantage of the players who study what's happening in the histories.

                      Crazy, but keno games seem to me to be a lot more predictable than pick 3.

                      I agree with you, though.  You're lucky to have one in your neighborhood.

                      Jack

                      Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                      It's about number behavior.

                      Egos don't count.

                       

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                        Here in Mass. keno is played every 4 minutes if anyone is interested as I am a player. top is 12 which pays $1,000,000

                                                11 of 12  pays $25,000

                                                10 OF 12 PAYS $2500

                                                  9 OF 12 PAYS $1,000

                                                  8 OF 12 PAYS $150

                                                  7 OF 12 PAYS $25

                                                  6 OF 12 PAYS $5

                                                  0 OF 12 PAYS $4

                        THIS GIVES YOU A GENERAL IDEA OF THE TOP PRIZE AND THAT PEAKS MY INTEREST,SO ANY TIPS OR SYSTEMS ARE WELCOMED WITH OPEN ARMS.

                        bY THE WAY IT STARTS TO DROP DOWN TO 11-10-9 ETC.TO AS LOW AS A 1 SPOT WHICH PAYS $2.50 FOR A HIT.

                        With a fast Internet connection, a Premium Membership so you can do a quick search of histories, and two or three people working together you ought to be able to be grateful for a draw every five minutes.  I haven't had a lot of time for back-testing, but it appears initially to be the case that all the Keno games behave similarly.  So you don't need a history of your specific game.  Any history will do, one size fits all.

                        I'm going to be testing this theory on the predictions page over the next while, in between testing other methods.  But my gut feel at this stage of my checking is that what you need is a history, or a few histories, of a lot of draws, and the ability to search them for specific number sets.  Your game provides the numbers to search for, but any keno game can provide the histories.

                        I've done a couple of predictions, for instance, using searches of Ontario to predict Atlantic Canada draws.  Results were mixed, but I'm still learning and trying to work out methodology.

                        If I'm correct, the existence of cellphones with tiny earpieces, fast internet and laptops opens up a whole range of possibilities there's no point in getting into here.

                        I might yet be proven wrong, however.

                        Jack

                        Absorb the good, ignore the bad, weigh the ugly.

                        It's about number behavior.

                        Egos don't count.

                         

                        Dedicated to the memory of Big Loooser

                         

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                          lets see if we can get something going here. Please follw up with any theories anyone might suggest. thanks

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                            Retxxx

                            I don't think it's going to happen.  As Stalyn rightly observed, there just isn't enough interest.

                            I spent the day trying to figure out a way to do multiple numbers searches off MS Access to get past the search engine difficulties here on Keno games.  Probably there's a way to do it, but several hours of trying to puzzle it out has me wondering exactly why I was interested in keno in the first  place. 

                            When I mentioned the problem of high numbers searches difficulties to Todd several months ago I don't recall his exact response, but it added up to roughly the same issue.  There's not enough interest to justify putting  al lot of labor into it. 

                            Nobody searches histories on keno.  Nobody, at least, except me.

                            I'll probably either get back to trying to shoestring ways to do searches or find some way to do it on Access, and continue  to use the prediction page to test my progress.  But at the end of the day it seems apparent to me that Stalyn's correct.  This thread might as well die and fall into the archives.

                            Jack

                             

                             

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                            Egos don't count.

                             

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                              Posted: April 11, 2006, 10:43 pm - IP Logged

                              i also play the ontario keno here in canada - similar payout to the atlantic keno. I like keno.

                               

                              i use gail howards program for charts

                              i also use lottosynch sometimes

                              i usually make my own wheels with Lottodesigner excel program .

                              best i've gotten lately is 8 / 10 + 6 / 6 + 5 / 5 + 4 / 4's