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Guys i've lately wander the following. If the state doesn't allow other kinds of lotteries to compete with the state lottery, isn't that like "indirectly imposing" the voluntary-tax on its citizens. You can compare it with "imposing religion in school"? On the below blog i've put my opinion about all this, I mean is my belief on all this....

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    you right if they did create a
    lottery that was better than the state lotto, the
    state will not like it; it will loose money. But tell me this. By the
    government not allowing other kinds of lottery compete
    with the state lottery, the government is sort of like
    "Imposing" its voluntary-tax on people. I think the
    state lotto is also considered a "voluntary tax"...You
    can compare it with trying to impose religion in
    schools....I feel that citizens should be given the
    right to choose between which lottery they like. But
    you see, because the money collected goes into
    education,(here in the state of Ga) i too am undecided whether the government
    should allow other kinds of lotteries to compete with
    state one... But you see, this is what i would have
    done. I don't have nothing against lower education but
    if it was me i will let the money collected from
    lotteries go into higher education, specifically
    scholarships and grants. If i was the president of a
    foreign country i will let the money supply
    scholarships for college education. I will also, let the
    money supply grants that will go for people that can
    least afford college (the most needed, and i will go by household income), i will also
    make it where certain fields in college get more
    grants and maybe scholarships than others. For example
    the field of medicine and teachers will get more
    grants than the field of arts....And because the money
    will "SOLELY" go into higher education and not lower
    education we will create sort of a "HOPE SCHOLARSHIP"
    but where the point average you must have to get it is
    not 3.0 but 2.5 that way guaranteeing more college
    people will have the scholarships...
    Also, if the U.S doesn't allow other kinds of
    lotteries from competing with the state, that's fine
    with me. My greatest wish is that other countries can
    have private lotteries where other people can play
    them...However there is a more ingenios way to create
    a private lottery abroad so that it will not compete
    with the state and will also help too. For example,
    you can create a private free online lottery where
    players have to view ads to get free tickets, you make
    the lottery very easy but you give "so much tickets"
    per household"...I think that should help...


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      I would also like most foreign countries have one state lottery throught the entire country i will make every provinces/state have its own particular lottery, just the same way every state in the U.S have its on lottery. But i will let every province collect like 15 percent of total revenues. Now think for a minute, if a country has let's say 15 provinces each collecting 15 percent, is better than having one national lottery collecting 50 percent...

       

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        Guys i've lately wander the following. If the state doesn't allow other kinds of lotteries to compete with the state lottery, isn't that like "indirectly imposing" the voluntary-tax on its citizens. You can compare it with "imposing religion in school"? On the below blog i've put my opinion about all this, I mean is my belief on all this....

        There is no such thing as a voluntary tax. Taxes are inherently compulsory.

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          Some people look at the lottery as a "voluntary tax on people who are extremely bad at math."

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            Some people look at the lottery as a "voluntary tax on people who are extremely bad at math."

            I've heard more derrogatory terms used in that quote.


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              Guys i've lately wander the following. If the state doesn't allow other kinds of lotteries to compete with the state lottery, isn't that like "indirectly imposing" the voluntary-tax on its citizens. You can compare it with "imposing religion in school"? On the below blog i've put my opinion about all this, I mean is my belief on all this....

              The GA Lottery is imposing its views on you if you hit Lose for Life. GA won't offer a cash option. Remember when the former Big Game was annuity-only?

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                I would think that anyone going for a cash option wouldn't play games that don't offer one.

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                  Guys i've lately wander the following. If the state doesn't allow other kinds of lotteries to compete with the state lottery, isn't that like "indirectly imposing" the voluntary-tax on its citizens. You can compare it with "imposing religion in school"? On the below blog i've put my opinion about all this, I mean is my belief on all this....

                  Within the US most 'legal' casinos outside Nevada and New Jersey are on lands held 'in trust' by the US Bureau of Indian Affairs for various tribes of Native Americans.  Reservations.

                  As a rule, individual tribal members don't see any particular benefits from these establishments (I speak only for the ones in my area).  Even in small tribes of a couple of K members 'owning' giant casino establishments, many tribal members are still enjoying welfare state benefits and qualify for poverty benefits beyond the 'normal', (total cradle to grave health and dental care largesse granted all tribal members) not granted to non-native poverty stricken folk

                  The people in the higher levels of management in these legal gambling establishment bear a similarity to certain stereotypes associated with a particular southern European/Mediterrainian family history.

                  Therefore, following your logic, casino gambling in much of the US is a 'voluntary tax' on the Non-Native (ie.  citizens including 'Native Americans' who don't possess tribal census numbers), in favor of passing gambling return 'taxes' to (or through ) the tiny portion of Native Americans identified by tribal census numbers.  Not individually, but as a privileged consortium of groups.

                  Through those sets of tribal units, I was going to say, to an even smaller set of descendants of people of southern European/Med background.

                  A voluntary gambling tax on the citizenry, you might conclude, to aid guys with patent leather shoes and expensive suits with bulges under the arms.

                  Sort of cool, actually.  The numbers business used to go directly to those guys, in a better time when it didn't enjoy the benefits of being monopolized by governments. 

                  Might be interesting to see the scalpel attention of government focused on taking the voluntary tax on casino gambling away from the tribes and the Roccos and giving it to themselves.

                  It wouldn't make things better for anyone, wouldn't make anything more efficient, but it would give another piece of change to throw into the general revenues.  Those politicos would be betting on the come with it same as they're doing with all the rest, same as you and I couldn't do because you can only declare bankruptcy a limited number of times during a given period.

                  Interesting thread.

                  Jack

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                    Within the US most 'legal' casinos outside Nevada and New Jersey are on lands held 'in trust' by the US Bureau of Indian Affairs for various tribes of Native Americans. Reservations.

                    I think you forgot a whole bunch of riverboats and places like Tunica, Mississippi.

                    As a rule, individual tribal members don't see any particular benefits from these establishments (I speak only for the ones in my area).

                    I worked on a boat with people who had worked in Minnesota and Wisconsin on reservations. Each tribal member got $5100 a month.

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                       I think you forgot a whole bunch of riverboats and places like Tunica, Mississippi.

                       "Most" leaves a lot of elbow room, Coin Toss.  If you want to count them up and see if there are more than 50 percent on one side or the other, I'll take your word.  I think 'most' takes care of it without me having to forget the Mississippi River (which I occasionally do, anyway), but if it doesn't, I'll grind my teeth and try to live with myself.

                      I worked on a boat with people who had worked in Minnesota and Wisconsin on reservations. Each tribal member got $5100 a month.

                      Evidently there's an exception that proves the rule.  Or someone was mistaken. Or someone was misunderstood.  Or someone didn't tell the truth.

                      I worked with Mescalero and Kickapoo in various farm labor jobs as a youngster.  There weren't any casinos then, so I reckon they didn't get nuthun.

                      On the other hand, I've had long discussions about the issue with tribal members from all the NM tribes with casinos.  None of them admit to getting anything.

                      But I doubt any of them ever worked on a riverboat, so's to discover how badly they're getting shook down from whomever you ran into whom you thought said tribal members there got some dough from the thing.

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                        Well, it's not just the Mississippi River, although at first the casinos thought that's the way it was going to be. Actually it was called The Indian Gaming Act of 1987 that opened all this up.

                        The first river boat casino was in Bettendorf, Iowa, and was soon moved down to Mississippi. If I remember right it became the Isle of Capri.

                        Tunica, unbelievably now, started out with one rinky dink joint called Splash. No longer exsits, and some of the staff robbed it blind by the way.

                        Now there are boats on the Ohio River, the Des Plaines River, and others, as well as the Mississippi. There is also a casino in Detroit, the only one actually in a major city. Ledyard, Connecticut, Foxwoods is now thre largest casino in the world, and that's outside of NV or A.C.  

                        The people who had worked in Wisconsin said this is the way the tribal casino operated - at first, they hired as many palefaces as would take the job, to get up and running. As time went on and the place got established, they started putting a memo out:

                        70% of all departments are to be Native.  

                        (I don't doubt this one bit as when the tribes came recruiting innLas Vegas they would put want ads in the Vegas papers, Casino opening, blah blah blah.....

                        We are a native prefernce employer. )

                        So they would  keep a token force of 30% 'palefaces' because the natives had a habit of not showing back up for work for two or three days after payday.

                        Wehn they started laying "palefaces" off, they would just walk into the pit and point at dealers and say, "Fire him, him, and her." (They only saw them from the back).

                        The guy telling this story said it got so bad that the male dealers let their hair grow, hoping to be mistaken for native Americans, and called that tactic Reservation Camoflauge.