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Posted: May 15, 2006, 11:38 am - IP Logged

Good morning to everyone here at Lottery Post....


This morning, while at an office here at work, I was thinking about the lottery and what I would do, and something that I realized was that even if you go to North Dakota, Kansas, or Delaware and claim the prize anonymously, there could be lots of people outside the lottery headquarters. But if you won it in Ohio, Louisiana, or New Hampshire, you could send an attorney to claim the prize through a blind trust, meaning that no one could see you since you are not there anyway. Just some food for thought......

Smart lottery winners form trust to claim their winnings.  They send an attorney to the lottery headquarters to claim the prize in trust, so that ONLY the name of the trust is revealed.  And they tell NO ONE, especially relatives.

If you ever win a lottery and you are single, the only person you should ever marry is someone who was truly in love with you BEFORE you won the jackpot!

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    Posted: May 15, 2006, 1:58 pm - IP Logged

    Some states don't even allow trusts to claim tickets. I know both Oregon and BC, Canada, don't allow trusts to claim. Washington does. Of the three only WA allows anonymous claims as well. Not sure about the UK lottery but those four places are the only places I currently play.

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      Posted: May 15, 2006, 5:37 pm - IP Logged

      Some states don't even allow trusts to claim tickets. I know both Oregon and BC, Canada, don't allow trusts to claim. Washington does. Of the three only WA allows anonymous claims as well. Not sure about the UK lottery but those four places are the only places I currently play.

      What?  Washington does allow trusts to claim and also allows one to claim anonymously?  Where do you get your information?  I will be jumping up and down for joy if you are right, but I interpreted the statements on the playslips to mean that Washington does not allow these things. 

      On the back of the Lotto playslip it says, "The Washington Lottery has the right to publish the name of the prize winner.  A prize claim form is a public record governed by Chapter 42.17 RCW.  And on the back of the Mega Millions playslip it says "Washington's Lottery has the right to publish the name and city of residence of the prize winner.  The name and city of residence of jackpot winner(s) will be disclosed in a news conference or news release.  A prize claim form is a public record governed by Chapter 42.17 RCW."

      So you are saying there is a way around it? 

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        Posted: May 15, 2006, 5:45 pm - IP Logged

        Ohio publishes the name of the trust that claims the money plus the name of the lawyer representing the trust, it's a public record.

         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
           
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          Posted: May 16, 2006, 1:39 am - IP Logged

          Some states don't even allow trusts to claim tickets. I know both Oregon and BC, Canada, don't allow trusts to claim. Washington does. Of the three only WA allows anonymous claims as well. Not sure about the UK lottery but those four places are the only places I currently play.

          What?  Washington does allow trusts to claim and also allows one to claim anonymously?  Where do you get your information?  I will be jumping up and down for joy if you are right, but I interpreted the statements on the playslips to mean that Washington does not allow these things. 

          On the back of the Lotto playslip it says, "The Washington Lottery has the right to publish the name of the prize winner.  A prize claim form is a public record governed by Chapter 42.17 RCW.  And on the back of the Mega Millions playslip it says "Washington's Lottery has the right to publish the name and city of residence of the prize winner.  The name and city of residence of jackpot winner(s) will be disclosed in a news conference or news release.  A prize claim form is a public record governed by Chapter 42.17 RCW."

          So you are saying there is a way around it? 

          There have been several anonymous winners. Even the name of trusts if you look up the winners of lotto. Of course it's been a while since someone has claimed anonymously since lotto prizes (exept the $11M prize) have been so small lately why bother with anonymous claims.

          They still list the name of the trust and city. Other than that they just say the winner wishes to be anonymous. I remember a $16M pot was claimed that way. 

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            Posted: May 16, 2006, 3:07 am - IP Logged

            Anonymity has always been a popular topic on this board. I've lived in several states including MA, NH and now FL and I don't think there's anyway to keep your name out of the public records, even with a Trust.  Maybe I'm not recalling the NH laws correctly, since I never won enough to worry about them. But I thought that no matter how your money is claimed, the name of the trust, the lawyer and the person who owns the trust will be published. That doesn't mean that it will be printed in the newspaper or on a website necessarily, but available for public viewing. I wouldn't want my name in the paper just because of security. That's why I'll move before I claim any large prize. I agree that it's better to keep your picture out of the paper, but there's no attorney I really trust enough with millions of dollars to pickup my check, so I'd have to go in person anyway!  I realize that some articles say that NH is a state where a winner can remain anonymous, and some winners have chosen that option, but below in red are direct quotes from their website, so this issue is confusing to me. I won't quote everything on this subject since there are so many sections, but:

            New Hampshire state law requires the winner's name, town and amount won be available for public information. A winner's street address and phone number is not considered public information.

            and:   If the claimant is a trust, the individual named as trustee shall furnish photographic identification to the commission at the time of the claim.

            then it adds: If the claim is being filed by another individual on behalf of the claimant, the claimant’s original picture identification or a photostatic copy of the claimant’s picture identification as well as the filing individual’s original picture identification shall be presented to the commission at the time of the claim.

            Under Confidentiality:  Upon written request, the commission shall release the name, town or residence, date of prize, and the gross and net amounts of the annual prize payment of a winner. Financing statements filed with the commission shall be public records.

            There is an exemption in the NH General Statutes called 91-A:5 which is to protect a party from invasion of privacy. Maybe a lottery winner could refer to that rule and then there would be court hearings, legal fees, your money would be held in escrow waiting for the court's decision, and if you won then there'd be a new law with your name "Jones vs NH", so now you'd be even more famous for winning your case to remain anonymous.

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              Posted: May 16, 2006, 3:40 am - IP Logged

              I wish I could edit or clear my last post, since I just read a press release where PB winners won $85 million and stayed anonymous by having their lawyer claim it.  So I don't understand all of the published rules on the NH website! 

              “Congratulations to our newest Powerball winners!” said Rick Wisler, executive director of the New Hampshire Lottery. “While we do enjoy the ability to meet our winners and help them announce their good fortune, we can respect the winners’ desire to remain anonymous. We wish them all the best!”

              So please disregard my last post. Duh!  Sorry.  What?

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                Some states don't even allow trusts to claim tickets. I know both Oregon and BC, Canada, don't allow trusts to claim. Washington does. Of the three only WA allows anonymous claims as well. Not sure about the UK lottery but those four places are the only places I currently play.

                What?  Washington does allow trusts to claim and also allows one to claim anonymously?  Where do you get your information?  I will be jumping up and down for joy if you are right, but I interpreted the statements on the playslips to mean that Washington does not allow these things. 

                On the back of the Lotto playslip it says, "The Washington Lottery has the right to publish the name of the prize winner.  A prize claim form is a public record governed by Chapter 42.17 RCW.  And on the back of the Mega Millions playslip it says "Washington's Lottery has the right to publish the name and city of residence of the prize winner.  The name and city of residence of jackpot winner(s) will be disclosed in a news conference or news release.  A prize claim form is a public record governed by Chapter 42.17 RCW."

                So you are saying there is a way around it? 

                There have been several anonymous winners. Even the name of trusts if you look up the winners of lotto. Of course it's been a while since someone has claimed anonymously since lotto prizes (exept the $11M prize) have been so small lately why bother with anonymous claims.

                They still list the name of the trust and city. Other than that they just say the winner wishes to be anonymous. I remember a $16M pot was claimed that way. 

                Well, that is indeed good news!  I guess since there were so many years that I didn't play and since then have played just erratically until recently, I totally missed any news of anonymous winners. 

                I started going through the lists of winners on the Washington State website, but with all those smaller prizes listed, there are pages and pages of them, so I quit.  I'll just take your word for it.

                Now I may be able to revise my thinking of what I'd do if I should win big.  But there is one major problem if I should try to remain anonymous.  I would plan to make gifts to about 20 relatives.  Can you imagine trying to get 20 people to keep their mouths shut? Big Grin And how else could I possibly explain how a retired widow suddenly came into so much money that she could afford to support her disabled relatives and give decent sized gifts to the others?

                 

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                  Posted: May 16, 2006, 1:28 pm - IP Logged

                  Wouldn't it be nice if all of the rules on each state site were clearer?  I like the FAQ plain & simple like on this site. I googled some words like anonymous, lottery winner, and got

                  17. Is it possible to win the lottery and remain anonymous?

                  No. In Montana, by law, your name, the amount won, and the town you're from is public information. It is not possible to win the Lottery in Montana and remain anonymous.

                  This was from an official website. Sounds clear to me, but who knows? Wish they were all this black & white, but I would always check first with both the lottery & an attorney.

                  Uff Da!  I think you'd have to make a choice, since I agree people would be suspicious. I've also thought of the same thing. I would want to help a lot of people, but I know that some who don't have financial problems would feel left out and hurt.  Once you open up that door, there's no turning back. But I know it would be almost impossible not to be generous and help those who need your love & support.

                   

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                    I really believe the lottery people need to revisit the issue.  If a person is truly unable to handle the publicity surrounding a large jackpot, and can provide some facts in the matter, maybe allowing them to remain nameless is the way to go.

                    You'd think with so many winners over time that they would have a good working group of people to study.  I know if I won, I'd appreciate the option of remaining unknown.

                    I also think, maybe unrelated, that the winnings shouldn't be taxed, like in the UK.  And that the payoff should be as close to the actual amount collected as possible.  Seems pretty low budget to nail winners for up to 38% in tax, then knock off 50% off the top for a lump sum payoff.  Just doesn't seem right.  Lotteries shouldn't, as their main purpose, tax collections vehicles.

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                      If anonymity were not possible, my #1 rule would be:

                       - Anyone who ASKS for money is automatically disqualified from receving ANYTHING.

                      I would state that as loud as I could at the press conference for the winner.

                      Granted, that might be different for loved ones.  But at least you MIGHT detour some hassle from people. 

                       I would have plans to help people in need - but one doesn't have far to look to find them. That part is easy.

                       

                      I think my #2 rule would be applicable to relatives and friends:

                       - only $12,000 a year to any indiviudal. 

                      (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98968,00.html) 

                      I believe that is the amount one is allowed to give to someone before the gift tax kicks in.

                       

                      I think medical and education expenses are exempted from that limit, so I wouldn't mind paying for that for close relatives.  In secrecy from the other relatives, of course!

                      Any other ideas - or comments? 

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                         Does State of California allow anonymous claim?

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                           Does State of California allow anonymous claim?

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                            I have looked and looked and I still can't find out about if you can claim lottery prizes anonymously in Texas.

                            http://www.txlottery.org/

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                              If anonymity were not possible, my #1 rule would be:

                               - Anyone who ASKS for money is automatically disqualified from receving ANYTHING.

                              I would state that as loud as I could at the press conference for the winner.

                              Granted, that might be different for loved ones.  But at least you MIGHT detour some hassle from people. 

                               I would have plans to help people in need - but one doesn't have far to look to find them. That part is easy.

                               

                              I think my #2 rule would be applicable to relatives and friends:

                               - only $12,000 a year to any indiviudal. 

                              (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=98968,00.html) 

                              I believe that is the amount one is allowed to give to someone before the gift tax kicks in.

                               

                              I think medical and education expenses are exempted from that limit, so I wouldn't mind paying for that for close relatives.  In secrecy from the other relatives, of course!

                              Any other ideas - or comments? 

                              Sounds good to me.  Actually, my wife said to me a couple of weeks ago the same thing that was in rule #1.  I run a pool at my work and I buy my own Lotto ticket and Powerball when it breaks $100 million.  My wife also suggested saying that at the press conference and saying we will decide what will be done with the money.

                              Based on the way my family has treated me in the past, if they get anything, it won't be much.  That's probably what they'd do to me. 

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