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Posted: May 21, 2006, 2:23 pm - IP Logged

First, let me say how delighted I am to have found this forum.  How fun!  I've enjoyed reading many of the discussions. But, on to the reason I'm posting...

Recently, I was buying my Powerball ticket at a local convenience store.  While I was at the counter, one of the employees took a few scratch off cards out of the bin and ran them under one of the scanners.  Then, he put them back.  I certainly hope employees aren't able to cull out the winners for themselves this way!  Surely NOT!  What in the world do you think the guy was doing?  It really bothered me. 

This is in Tennessee.

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    Welcome to the post !

    The employee was probably validating them.

    They have to enter the code at the bottom of the ticket to find out if it is a winner. 

    Anyone else have any more to add ? I know we had this subject as a discussion a while back and it prompted some real good discussion. 

    DD

     

                                   

                  

     

     

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      Welcome to the post !

       

      The employee was probably validating them.

      They have to enter the code at the bottom of the ticket to find out if it is a winner. 

      Anyone else have any more to add ? I know we had this subject as a discussion a while back and it prompted some real good discussion. 

      DD

      I've seen them pull out a new batch and scan it into the computer.  They had ran out of the tickets that I wanted and they had to do that first.

       

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        This wasn't a new batch.  He took maybe 4 off the top from this particular bin.  I've tried to convince myself that ticket designers wouldn't be so stupid as to make it possible for people to scan and read the tickets.  I wouldn't be able to continue to play if I didn't believe that.  I used to live  in Maryland, and I was often pretty sloppy about scratching all the gunk off the ticket.  The clerk would have to scratch it more to expose enough of the code to do the pay-out.  I haven't bought enough tickets here in Tennessee yet to have run into that, but I'd like to believe that, like Maryland,  the pay-out code can't be read here until the purchaser reveals it. I think I'm talking myself out of worrying about this.  :)

         

         

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          One suggestion is when you go back to that store just ask that person what they were doing with the cards, and see if he/she stutters..

          Or ask the Manager to explain...

          Manipulation in any way is illegal and not only could the employee lose their job, but they can be prosecuted.

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            This wasn't a new batch.  He took maybe 4 off the top from this particular bin.  I've tried to convince myself that ticket designers wouldn't be so stupid as to make it possible for people to scan and read the tickets.  I wouldn't be able to continue to play if I didn't believe that.  I used to live  in Maryland, and I was often pretty sloppy about scratching all the gunk off the ticket.  The clerk would have to scratch it more to expose enough of the code to do the pay-out.  I haven't bought enough tickets here in Tennessee yet to have run into that, but I'd like to believe that, like Maryland,  the pay-out code can't be read here until the purchaser reveals it. I think I'm talking myself out of worrying about this.  :)

             

             

            I would express this concern to the person that can answer your question like the Tn lottery officials and tell them what you have told us.  I'm sure you can just send an e-mail.

            We've had a store employee confess here on LP on how he and the store manager went thru the batchs for winning scratch offs before they were sold. 

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              Here in Ohio , To get the code to see if its a winner you have to scratch the ticket first. They have a code on the outside that has to be entered first so they can sell that lot of tickets. They also have to scan each lot of tickets before closing at night, this deactivates them until rescaned in the morning. This is in case they are stolen they can stop payment on them. I have a friend that had a store and I was usually the first there every morning and I had to wait while they rescanned the Tickets ,that's how I know about it.

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                Sure enpugh...the TN Lottery has a "contact us" thing on their website.  I sent them a note with my concerns.  Will report back what they say.  I hope I end up feeling foolish. 

                 

                 

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                  Posted: May 21, 2006, 6:52 pm - IP Logged

                  First, let me say how delighted I am to have found this forum.  How fun!  I've enjoyed reading many of the discussions. But, on to the reason I'm posting...

                  Recently, I was buying my Powerball ticket at a local convenience store.  While I was at the counter, one of the employees took a few scratch off cards out of the bin and ran them under one of the scanners.  Then, he put them back.  I certainly hope employees aren't able to cull out the winners for themselves this way!  Surely NOT!  What in the world do you think the guy was doing?  It really bothered me. 

                  This is in Tennessee.

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                    Minor update - I did hear back from the TN Lottery.  They wanted more info - what store...when it happened.  ARRGH!  What I WANTED them to say was "Silly Goose!  Employees can't determine winners on unsold scratch-offs!" 

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                      If you do a search thru some of the past articles here on LP, you will find a variety of news stories that relate similiar to what you indicated. That is why, in several states, it is illegal for the worker to play a ticket from the store they work at. The conceptual idea is, if they Employee can not buy the ticket there, they can not cheat the system. Of course, we all know how well conceptual works in reality. Simply put, no matter how good the security system, it will only deter the honest.

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                        Posted: May 23, 2006, 4:25 pm - IP Logged

                        I work customer service in a supermarket and we have a lottery machine and scratch-offs... in order to cash out a scratch off you need to scratch the bottom and get the 4-digit number in the box... we scan the back, then enter the number... the machine automatically tells us if it's a winner and if so, how much it won...

                        If this person was just scanning them then he may have been validating them... or he could have purchased them and just scratched the bottom to check them... I do that once in a while... I buy a ticket and I dont bother scratching the whole thing, I just check it to see if it wont... and then throw it out...

                        If he was just checking them to see if they won without buying them then the bottom would be scratched off... in which case, someone would have caught him... and if he doesnt pay for all of the ones he scratched his drawer will be significantly short at the end of the night... so he wouldnt get away with it for too long before his employer realized this...

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                          I think I'm almost an expert at scratch offs in TN. I know them inside and out.  The only way they could tell if it is a winner is by scratching off the bottom numbers and typing in the "boxed" number.  To be honest it was probably a new employee trying to cheat but got denied when he or she found out you needed more than just the barcode to validate a winning ticket.  If you ever see tickets with the bottom numbers scratched when you buy them return those tickets because the store cheated.  Also, if you see that report it to the lottery ASAP!  They are really tough on their cheaters.  They have to be tough to keep people playing.

                          How are you going to win if you don't play?

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                            I assume in S.C. you have to scratch the tickets off to see if they are winners but not sure. I heard about a lady in my itsy bitsy city that worked at a convenience store where her daughter worked there first and was sent to jail & terminated for scratching off a couple of thousand dollars worth of tickets. Then the lady gets a job there after the daughter leaves and she does the same thing. She is caught on camera. She is warned the day before she is fired that the manager knows what she is doing. But she continually scratched off tickets till the next day that she was fired.