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# ZEN's Doubles Magic - get this one!!

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 Posted: June 17, 2006, 3:10 pm - IP Logged

try right click "save target as"

Steve

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nope..still dont work..I give up..lol

"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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"Attention all Mathematicians: Check your degree at the door because when it comes to whole numbers you are the Amateur"

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Here is the problem with this method.  You need to hit at least 40% of the time just to break even.  I don't see that happening.

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Here are the counts for doubles for the Pick 4 Evening draws for the past year:
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CT 43.3%
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DE 41.6%
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FL 43.8%
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GA 40.3%
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IL 41.6%
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IN 44.1%
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I am not going any further.  It is obvious that you are going to lose about 60% of the time not even considering if the doubles came from the correct set of 5, etc.
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As Steve points out, you need to win at least 40% of the time to break even.  I don't think it will work over the long haul.

Here's how I see it - and this may be all wrong, so correct me on this...

The payout is \$187.50 for \$0.25 box bet putting in 100 numbers is \$25.00

So, betting \$25.00 for a chance to get back \$187.50, right?

If you were to play one state seven consecutive draws, you would be out \$175.00

There should be about 3 or 4 chances to win with a double during that time, on average.

If the average hit rate with this system is 1 out of 3, then it's barely profitable. (\$12.50)

If a player can separate the numbers good, maybe those odds would increase and win more often.

Yup!  You got it.  If you had the correct number input each time (and I really doubt that), you will barely break even with this method.  It is 1 out of 3 ONLY if you hit every time there is a double and I doubt that too!

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Here is the problem with this method.  You need to hit at least 40% of the time just to break even.  I don't see that happening.

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Here are the counts for doubles for the Pick 4 Evening draws for the past year:
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CT 43.3%
.
DE 41.6%
.
FL 43.8%
.
GA 40.3%
.
IL 41.6%
.
IN 44.1%
.
I am not going any further.  It is obvious that you are going to lose about 60% of the time not even considering if the doubles came from the correct set of 5, etc.
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As Steve points out, you need to win at least 40% of the time to break even.  I don't think it will work over the long haul.

Thank God for all the great analytical thinkers like you CalifDude. You are always on the ready with stats and figures...thanks man.

\$\$\$

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 Posted: June 17, 2006, 5:57 pm - IP Logged

Introducing ZEN's Doubles Magic...

If this program can't make you money, then I just don't know what to say...

It generates 100 doubles to play in the pick 4 for a box win of \$187.50

Type in all ten digits, 0 thru 9 in any order.

If the winning draw contains any double and you have placed your digits right, you win - guaranteed!

In order for the digits to be placed correctly, the double digit must either be one of the first 5 digits you type in or one of the last 5 digits you type in, DAH!!! Of course it will be, but here's the kicker...

The other two digits cannot be within the same group of five digits WITH the double digit.

If you type in the numbers like this... 5810346972 then any double that comes up in the draw will win IF the double number is 5, 8, 1, 0, or 3 and the remaining two digits of the draw are 4, 6, 9, 7 or 2. OR, if the double number is 4, 6, 9, 7, or 2 and the remaining digits of the draw are 5, 8, 1, 0, or 3. You will still win that drawing for \$187.50

If, using the same example above, the double number is 5, but one of the other digits is 8, 1, 0, or 3 you will not win, even if the fourth digit is a 4, 6, 9, 7, or 2.

The double number within the group of five digits cannot be part of any other numbers in the draw. The other two numbers must be in the last set of 5 digits you type in, or vica versa.

Good luck! I'll see you at the bank!!!

I am pretty certain that the following doubles (at least) are possible tonight in NY:

8, 6, 0

Maybe 5, 4

I put in  8609451237

and got for tonight in NY

8851 - 8852 - 8853 - 8857 - 8812
8813 - 8817 - 8823 - 8827 - 8837
6651 - 6652 - 6653 - 6657 - 6612
6613 - 6617 - 6623 - 6627 - 6637
0051 - 0052 - 0053 - 0057 - 0012
0013 - 0017 - 0023 - 0027 - 0037
9951 - 9952 - 9953 - 9957 - 9912
9913 - 9917 - 9923 - 9927 - 9937
4451 - 4452 - 4453 - 4457 - 4412
4413 - 4417 - 4423 - 4427 - 4437
8655 - 8055 - 8955 - 8455 - 6055
6955 - 6455 - 0955 - 0455 - 9455
8611 - 8011 - 8911 - 8411 - 6011
6911 - 6411 - 0911 - 0411 - 9411
8622 - 8022 - 8922 - 8422 - 6022
6922 - 6422 - 0922 - 0422 - 9422
8633 - 8033 - 8933 - 8433 - 6033
6933 - 6433 - 0933 - 0433 - 9433
8677 - 8077 - 8977 - 8477 - 6077
6977 - 6477 - 0977 - 0477 - 9477

[I understand that Zen's only thinks of true doubles.  But triples are also disguised doubles]  triples in NY tonight.

Anyway let's see what happens.

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 Posted: June 17, 2006, 6:12 pm - IP Logged

It always best to view such a system as this with a critical eye - to pick it apart early before it picks you apart down the road!

But for those who see the glass half full, I have this rebuttal...

You have 7 opportunities to get a win before you've crossed that point of no profitibility.

If you get that win before your 7 tries, you've earned yourself 7 more tries to get a hit before that point gains on you once again.

If you can continue to beat that 7 try deadline, you will gain ground and continue to gain ground by hitting before your 7th try.

Beat the 7 try deadline and you will make a profit. The fewer tries it takes to get that hit, the more ground you will gain...

Steve

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Steve, I just did a quick review of Ilinois doubles. As I said, there hot here, or at least now. Since a week ago, there has been 6 hits in the pick4 eve. game that were doubles. Just one in the midday. However, the sets that have hit are, 11,99,55,77,88, for eve. games and 00 for midday. That leaves 22,33,44,66 yet to hit??? I put in 2,3,4,6, and 0 because ut has not hit eve. this give me this in "ZEN Doubles Magic"..

2219 - 2215 - 2217 - 2218 - 2295
2297 - 2298 - 2257 - 2258 - 2278
3319 - 3315 - 3317 - 3318 - 3395
3397 - 3398 - 3357 - 3358 - 3378
4419 - 4415 - 4417 - 4418 - 4495
4497 - 4498 - 4457 - 4458 - 4478
6619 - 6615 - 6617 - 6618 - 6695
6697 - 6698 - 6657 - 6658 - 6678
0019 - 0015 - 0017 - 0018 - 0095
0097 - 0098 - 0057 - 0058 - 0078
2311 - 2411 - 2611 - 2011 - 3411
3611 - 3011 - 4611 - 4011 - 6011
2399 - 2499 - 2699 - 2099 - 3499
3699 - 3099 - 4699 - 4099 - 6099
2355 - 2455 - 2655 - 2055 - 3455
3655 - 3055 - 4655 - 4055 - 6055
2377 - 2477 - 2677 - 2077 - 3477
3677 - 3077 - 4677 - 4077 - 6077
2388 - 2488 - 2688 - 2088 - 3488
3688 - 3088 - 4688 - 4088 - 6088

I did get 1,5,7,8;s here but I will cut them out and play the rest. (Maybe Zen'sDM knows something??)

I will play the doubles tonight that have not hit and see what happens... Signing off now, see you tommorrow

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Thank's Steve!

check out mysticwomyn Announcers --> http://www.lotterypost.com/thread/140695/673306

You can judge the integrity of a man by the way he treats those that can do nothing for him...

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I think I was doing the math wrong, or at least misunderstanding what Steve was saying.  I thought he said you have to win 1 out of 3 to break even.  But then he said that you could play 7 times in a row and win on the 7th and break even.  I think it is the later.  So, maybe it will work, but you are still only going to see doubles about 40% of the time and you need a good method of picking the numbers and their order to get the hit.  I am still very skeptical, but I wanted to correct what I had said earlier.

I really do want it to win!

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 Posted: June 17, 2006, 7:50 pm - IP Logged

Thanks Steve.

Any reason Angelfire wants Flash installed? I turn mine off (it is installed). It wouldn't let your page to continue, until I turned it back on. Got both zipped files, although I don't play online - so not too sure the lower payouts will be good enough. But thanks for the great software!

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I believe the flash install is only for the advertisments and pop-ups. Sorry about that, but I'm too cheap to buy a website, especially when the free one's get the job done just as well - for me, anyway.

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I think I was doing the math wrong, or at least misunderstanding what Steve was saying.  I thought he said you have to win 1 out of 3 to break even.  But then he said that you could play 7 times in a row and win on the 7th and break even.  I think it is the later.  So, maybe it will work, but you are still only going to see doubles about 40% of the time and you need a good method of picking the numbers and their order to get the hit.  I am still very skeptical, but I wanted to correct what I had said earlier.

I really do want it to win!

I think some of the gals around here who seem to have a natural knack for knowing what numbers are coming up will do well with the doubles program. I'm sort of like you and will work mostly with the singles, but if the gals say the doubles are coming, I'm on it!

Steve

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Checked it.   Yup - Angelfire popups are Flash. No problem. I think you are perfecty right to use free hosting!

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