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Honduras
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Posted: July 16, 2006, 8:37 pm - IP Logged

Guys have you ever wonder how they choose the size of the pin-pong looking lotto balls in pick3 and pick4? The reason is that if you design the balls bigger than what they actually are, the game will be less random?YOu ever wonder how they decide all that..

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    Posted: July 17, 2006, 6:26 pm - IP Logged

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      Posted: July 18, 2006, 11:34 am - IP Logged

      I think they use ping pong balls in most states except for Texas. It depends on what state you're in. It's totally random and fair.

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        Heavier balls would be far less susceptable to non-random influences.

        For instance, bowling balls would be almost impossible to influence, even if they left the finger holes in them.

        I suspect they use lighter, smaller balls to allow them to influence them more easily.

        A compromise, using 1 inch solid steel ball bearings would be extremely difficult to influence and would greatly increase the confidence of players concerning the determination of lottery officials to have an honest game.

        This method could best be implemented using ten 12 year old boys with wrist-rocket slingshots directing their fire from 55 yards away toward a particular glass window of Lottery HQ.

         Alternatively, cannon balls of 3 inch diameter launched vertically by carefully timed explosive charges, ricocheting into a trough down the middle of the bin would be ideal, confidence raising for players, and an excellent spectacle for television viewers.

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          Posted: July 18, 2006, 1:47 pm - IP Logged

          I wonder if different states use different calibre ping-pong balls?  Or balls of different weights?

          Unless the states that use ball drawings use balls of equal diameter, weight, mass, ect.,  predicting a set of numbers for all states would be ludicrous.  A win would be nothing more than co-incidence.

          Is there any way to check this out? 

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            Posted: July 18, 2006, 4:18 pm - IP Logged

            I think they use ping pong balls in most states except for Texas. It depends on what state you're in. It's totally random and fair.

            Texas uses ping-pong balls for Cash Five and Pick 3.

            Rubber balls are also very common. GA, for example, uses them for all of their games. NY and IL uses rubber balls for their pick-5 and pick-6, but also uses ping-pong balls for the digit games. And FL, PA, and NJ uses ping-pong balls for all of their in-state games.

            Mega Millions and Powerball use rubber balls, BTW. 

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              Posted: July 18, 2006, 6:15 pm - IP Logged

              here is a link to one of the places that make the balls for pick3/4

              http://www.garronlottery.com/greatBALLS.htm

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                Posted: July 18, 2006, 9:33 pm - IP Logged

                jee, i didn't know they use pin-pong balls...Here in Ga they must have the balls a little bit smaller because the balls that i be seen don't look like ping pong balls, but they could be the same material...What i was saying is who determined which one was going to be the right size for the lotto balls. Who made that decision...Or they just said one day: "let's use pin-pong balls" "and stick with it"...Also the size of the hopper, who makes the decision about what's going to be the right size of the hopper? YOu think they created different sizes of hoppers, before they chose the right one? Garron Lottery Products manufactures the machines but who determines the "size" of the machine/hopper?Garron or the Lottery corporation?

                I am against using the Round crystall machine that looks like a round-sphere gumball machine...I am in favor or using a cylinder or squared machine that looks like a square/cylindrical gumball machine...But is my opinion...

                 

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                  jee, i didn't know they use pin-pong balls...Here in Ga they must have the balls a little bit smaller because the balls that i be seen don't look like ping pong balls, but they could be the same material...What i was saying is who determined which one was going to be the right size for the lotto balls. Who made that decision...Or they just said one day: "let's use pin-pong balls" "and stick with it"...Also the size of the hopper, who makes the decision about what's going to be the right size of the hopper? YOu think they created different sizes of hoppers, before they chose the right one? Garron Lottery Products manufactures the machines but who determines the "size" of the machine/hopper?Garron or the Lottery corporation?

                  I am against using the Round crystall machine that looks like a round-sphere gumball machine...I am in favor or using a cylinder or squared machine that looks like a square/cylindrical gumball machine...But is my opinion...

                   

                  "....Those eyes.....they just dissappeared".........        from movie "Predator 1"..

                   Interesting thread this has turned into pumpi.

                   In the casinos around here they have several games involving balls, including keno, hot-table draws, etc.  I'd always assumed it was just pingpong balls with numbers on them, assumed the lottery draws were, also.

                  Guess I'm going to have a closer look next time I'm over that way.

                  You bring up some intriguing questions sometimes.

                  Jack

                   

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                    Posted: July 19, 2006, 1:09 am - IP Logged
                    I know a lot about the Garron company as i was a machinist and worked with people who worked with them. In the beginning they used regular ping pong balls with hand painted numerals on them. Now the numerals are silk screened on. As the technology evolved so did the process by which they manufactured the balls and machines. Apparently since ping pong balls were basically used in bingo machines there was a natural progression to use them in lottery machines. If you surfed any of the web pages on the Garron site you saw that they have been in the business since the forefront of the lottery business and they worked directly with lottery personal in the design and implementation of the various machines. Garron pretty much took the ball so to speak and ran with it. they design and maintain the various machines and balls to stringent specifications just as many other products are made today with the use of CNC machines and CAD drawing machines they can run just about any simulated product long before they even decide to make a single part.

                    As with any product their is a joint partnership with the lottery and the various makers of lottery equipment. Also just about all state lotteries have some affiliation with one another ie: CEO board meetings and conventions where they get together and talk about what things might be needed or improved. And Garron has been along for the ride since the beginning.

                    I know i answered a lot of questions about the lottery balls in another thread a while back but dammed if i could find it.