Welcome Guest
Log In | Register )
You last visited December 3, 2016, 4:44 pm
All times shown are
Eastern Time (GMT-5:00)

lottery gaps

Topic closed. 11 replies. Last post 10 years ago by RJOh.

Page 1 of 1
PrintE-mailLink
rhow's avatar - Lottery-029.jpg
new orleans
United States
Member #42621
July 6, 2006
59 Posts
Offline
Posted: August 29, 2006, 12:12 am - IP Logged
Working with Lottery Number Gaps, what it's all about 

For a 6/49 game, here's a simple way of attempting to reduce the field of 49 numbers down to 30.

Then maybe once in a while you 'might' be able to place yourself in the right picking 'areas' or 'groups' of numbers where the next 6 winners lie.

The following is based on the UK National Lottery 6/49 but will apply to any 6/49 game. The bonus number is excluded. Numbers are dealt with in ascending order not drawn order.
The method is based on the principle that usually 3 or 4 of the 6 numbers drawn will have a gap size between them of no more than1 to 5 numbers. 

Here's an example of what I mean using an actual draw result.

UK # 452. Sat 22nd Apr. 26.31.35.43.48.49.
26 to 31 = gap of 5 numbers
31 to 35 = gap of 4 numbers
43 to 48 = gap of 5 numbers
48 to 49 = gap of 1 number
In the last 53 draws from #400 to #452 inc, 20 draws had 4 numbers with a gap size between 1 and 5. 21 draws had 3 numbers of the 1-5 gap size. 3 of the draws had 5 numbers with a 1-5 gap size.
 
Only 1 draw contained a 1-5 gap size, the remaining draws had 2 numbers with a 1-5 gap size. 
The next most common gap size encountered is 6-10, that's a count of between 6.7.8.9 or 10 numbers *to* or *from* an adjacent number in the 6 drawn numbers. This size of gap appears approx 50% less than the 1-5 group.

The next sizes of gap are 11-15. 16-20. 21-25. 26-30. 31-35. sizes above these are rare.

Depending on the placement amongst the 6 available slots and over useage, these groups can also become impossible to incorporate.

If you want to see what and where these gap sizes appear, plot out on graph paper as below for each of the 6 slots.

Get your record of the last 50 draws and go down the column of all the 1st numbers drawn. On your chart mark an X under the approriate group that your 1st numbers corresponds as in this example below.
 
These are the first numbers drawn for draws #452 to #446 #452 = 26. #451 =  1. #450 =  2. #449 =  9. #448 = 18. #447 =  2. #446 =  3. 
And plotted thus - 1st number drawn (1st slot) 1-5. 6-10. 11-15. 16-20. 21-25. 26-30. 31-35. #452. X #451. X #450. X #449. X #448 X #447. X #446. X
The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th slots are set out as above. But in these slots you note the count from the preceding number then enter an X under the corresponding gap size group.

You go down the column of the 2nd numbers drawn and plot those to their corresponding groups for the 2nd slot.

Same with the 3rd 4th 5th and 6th slots.
 
You'll now have a picture of the gap size groups being used for each of the 6 slots for each draw. 

When you play the groups it must be remembered that you are selecting a group of 5 numbers from where you hope the first number will be drawn from within the 1st slot list.

Once you have chosen a group it's up to you how you pick your number(s) from that group.

Moving on to the 2nd slot. Here one bears in mind that you are now picking a size of gap that you hope the second number will be away from the first, *Not* the actual 2nd number drawn but a group of 5 possible numbers from which a correct selection has to be made that once picked is added to your first number choice.

Going back to the #452 result above, the 1st number drawn - 26 belonged to the 26-30 group. The 2nd number - 31 belongs to the 1-5 group because the gap between 26 and 31 = 5.

Thus, the first two correct gap size choices for extracting numbers are - 1st slot 26-30, 2nd slot 1-5.

The correct choice of numbers from those groups
 
The correct choice of numbers from those groups are 26 - the first number, and  5 from the 2nd group so 26 + 5 = 31 the real 2nd game number. 

The third number in our example result is 35. 35 is 4 gaps from the 2nd number 31, so again the correct gap size is 1-5. The correct pick from this group of 5 numbers is number 4.

Add the 4 to the previous 2nd number which is 31 thus 31+4= 35, your 3rd game number.

The full result for draw #452 according to gap sizes is - Slot No. Gap size Pick No. Lotto No. 1st slot = 26-30. 26 26 2nd slot = 1-5 5 31 3rd slot = 1-5 4 35 4th slot = 6-10 8 43 5th slot = 1-5 5 48 6th slot = 1-5 1 49
 
As I said at the start, the method is to try and put you in the  right picking area. This will not be a means of picking the exact wining number. Nobody can predictively do that. Simply a guide to possible areas from which to choose numbers. 

*IF* you manage to pick the right group for each of the 6 slots, you have a 1in 5 chance *per slot* of picking the right number from each group. You pick a number from your 2nd gap size choice and add that to your first number, the same for the 3rd gap size, add the number to the second number and so on to the 6th number, thus creating a set of 6 numbers to play.

Obviously a jackpot hinges on your very first number in your first slot being correct, however, even if that is wrong you are not necessarily out of the running for 5 numbers +B.

That is of course if you only wish to pick 1 line of 6 numbers to play.

The whole point of this ? Well, earlier I mentioned that usually you can expect 3 or 4 numbers to have a gap size of 1-5. A total of 44 draws out of 52 contain 3 or more of the 1-5 gap size groups.

The problem in the first place is positioning the correct gap size groups to the 6 slots. If you've set out your charts you can be subjective as to which slots you wish to place your 1-5 groups in and how many of that particular group you want to use amongst the 6 slots.
 
Further and more difficult, we can see from draw # 452 that the first number was 26, hence the start was using the 26-30 gap size group, an uncommon start group, but that's random for you. So you need to include some of the larger size groups amongst the 1-5's. Obviously you can't use 2 of the 26-30 gap sizes because you will be outside the parameters of 49 after your first number! 

The use of combinations can help to a certain extent if one should wish to use 3 or 4 of the 1-5's groups.
B Using 3 of those 1-5's groups in any of the 6 slots requires 20 combinations to ensure that on one occasion you will have at least got those groups in the right slots.

Or, using 4 of the 1-5's groups in any of the 6 slots requires only 15 combinations.

All you have to do in that case is pick correctly the other 2 remaining group sizes. Then of course, the really hard bit is picking out the one correct number from the available 5 numbers in each group to make your line of 6 numbers. Bits of numbered paper from a hat is one way. You could of course pick 2 numbers from each of your groups to give you a set of 12 numbers for wheeling, 3 numbers from each group to give you 18 numbers to wheel etc.

The method can be adapted to varying sized pools such as the UK Thunderball 5/34 or the U.S. Powerball 5/49 for example. But do not expect
 
 
written by: steven highfield

 


You'll now have a picture of the gap size groups being used for each of the 6 slots for each draw.

When you play the groups it must be remembered that you are selecting a group of 5 numbers from where you hope the first number will be drawn from within the 1st slot list.

Once you have chosen a group it's up to you how you pick your number(s) from that group.

Moving on to the 2nd slot. Here one bears in mind that you are now picking a size of gap that you hope the second number will be away from the first, *Not* the actual 2nd number drawn but a group of 5 possible
numbers from which a correct selection has to be made that once picked is added to your first number choice.

Going back to the #452 result above, the 1st number drawn - 26 belonged to the 26-30 group. The 2nd number - 31 belongs to the 1-5 group because the gap between 26 and 31 = 5.

Thus, the first two correct gap size choices for extracting numbers are - 1st slot 26-30, 2nd slot 1-5.
 
 
The correct choice of numbers from those groups are 26 - the first number, and  5 from the 2nd group so 26 + 5 = 31 the real 2nd game number. 

The third number in our example result is 35. 35 is 4 gaps from the 2nd number 31, so again the correct gap size is 1-5. The correct pick from this group of 5 numbers is number 4.

Add the 4 to the previous 2nd number which is 31 thus 31+4= 35, your 3rd game number.

The full result for draw #452 according to gap sizes is - Slot No. Gap size Pick No. Lotto No. 1st slot = 26-30. 26 26 2nd slot = 1-5 5 31 3rd slot = 1-5 4 35 4th slot = 6-10 8 43 5th slot = 1-5 5 48 6th slot = 1-5 1 49

As I said at the start, the method is to try and put you in the right picking area. This will not be a means of picking the exact wining number. Nobody can predictively do that. Simply a guide to possible areas from which to choose numbers.

*IF* you manage to pick the right group for each of the 6 slots, you have a 1in 5 chance *per slot* of picking the right number from each group. You pick a number from your 2nd gap size choice and add that to your first number, the same for the 3rd gap size, add the number to the second number and so on to the 6th number, thus creating a set of 6 numbers to play.
 
 
 

Thinking of...Stock Photography: US $100 Notes Dance

RH

http://z.about.com/d/japanese/1/0/H/n/iteza.jpg
    BobP's avatar - bobp avatar.png
    Dump Water Florida
    United States
    Member #380
    June 5, 2002
    3102 Posts
    Offline
    Posted: August 29, 2006, 1:40 am - IP Logged

    Would it have killed you to mention you pulled this right off the Lotto-Logix site http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/gaps.html ?

    Everything except the art work is free there so you are more then welcome to use what you find so long as you don't sell it for money or claim credit for it. Giving credit is always a nice touch. 

    Todd: This doesn't have to be removed far as I'm concerned.  The more lottery information in player's hands the better.

    BobP

      RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
      mid-Ohio
      United States
      Member #9
      March 24, 2001
      19816 Posts
      Offline
      Posted: August 29, 2006, 3:23 am - IP Logged

      A member who no longer post at LP once asked me a question about Buckeye5 and when I answered it, he requested a copy of the research I had done to prove it and then posted it in the Pick5 forum as his own research when all he did to get it was PM me.  I put him on my list of people not to be trusted and now I will add rhow.  I wondered why a member from New Orleans would study a UK 6/49 lottery rather than a local one, now I know he didn't study anything he just copied and pasted from another website (everything but the author's name).

       * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
         
                   Evil Looking       

        MillionsWanted's avatar - 24Qa6LT

        Norway
        Member #9517
        December 10, 2004
        1272 Posts
        Offline
        Posted: August 29, 2006, 10:18 am - IP Logged

        The article written by Steven Highfield is also available on the South Africa Lottery Information Centre.

        Is the article on the South Africa Lottery Information Centre also taken from lotto-logix?

          Todd's avatar - Cylon 2.gif
          Chief Bottle Washer
          New Jersey
          United States
          Member #1
          May 31, 2000
          23259 Posts
          Offline
          Posted: August 29, 2006, 10:53 am - IP Logged

          Would it have killed you to mention you pulled this right off the Lotto-Logix site http://www.lotto-logix.com/txthouse/gaps.html ?

          Everything except the art work is free there so you are more then welcome to use what you find so long as you don't sell it for money or claim credit for it. Giving credit is always a nice touch. 

          Todd: This doesn't have to be removed far as I'm concerned.  The more lottery information in player's hands the better.

          BobP

          OK, no problem.  Very interesting stuff.  Did the author write the article for you?  from the other post here it looks like it exists in at least one other place too.

          BobP has a terrifc collection of lottery resources, for anyone who has not ventured there yet.

           

          Check the State Lottery Report Card
          What grade did your lottery earn?

           

          Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
          Help eliminate computerized drawings!

            rhow's avatar - Lottery-029.jpg
            new orleans
            United States
            Member #42621
            July 6, 2006
            59 Posts
            Offline
            Posted: August 29, 2006, 1:57 pm - IP Logged

            FOR THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT AREN'T VERY BRIGHT AND WE KNOW VERY WELL WHO YOU ARE I DID CUT AND PASTE THIS BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS WORTH EXPLORING BUT THE AUTHOR'S NAME IS POSTED IN THE WRONG PLACE.

             WRITTEN BY STEVEN HIGHFIELD.

            P.S I DID THINK ANYONE ON THIS FORUM WAS ATTMPING TO SELL ANY THING, A LOT OF PEOPLE ENJOY GAMES OF CHANCE AND NO MATTER HOW RIDICULOUS SOMETHING SEEMS IT IS DEFINITLEY WORTH  TRYING AND FOR THOSE GENIUSES OUT THERE I NEVER CRIZISE ANYONE I JUST EXAMINE WHATEVER THEY SUPPLY BECAUSE IT IS POSSIBLE.

            JERKS WILL ALWAYS AND FOREVER BE JERKS AND THOSE WHO ARE THE SMartest , best and brightest should have amassed a fortune in gambling winnings by now and should be living on easy street. The next time you examine something and attept to crticize make certain that all the t's and i's are crossed read it carefully and throughly.

            Thinking of...Stock Photography: US $100 Notes Dance

            RH

            http://z.about.com/d/japanese/1/0/H/n/iteza.jpg
              Todd's avatar - Cylon 2.gif
              Chief Bottle Washer
              New Jersey
              United States
              Member #1
              May 31, 2000
              23259 Posts
              Offline
              Posted: August 29, 2006, 2:11 pm - IP Logged

              Does anyone know the original source of that article?  I know it was written by Steven Highfield, but where was it first published?

              rhow, this question has nothing to do with any of the above remarks, I'm just curious where it was first published.

               

              Check the State Lottery Report Card
              What grade did your lottery earn?

               

              Sign the Petition for True Lottery Drawings
              Help eliminate computerized drawings!

                rhow's avatar - Lottery-029.jpg
                new orleans
                United States
                Member #42621
                July 6, 2006
                59 Posts
                Offline
                Posted: August 29, 2006, 2:24 pm - IP Logged

                IF THIS INFORMation could be utilIzied say for INSTANCE IN A SKIP AND HIT CHART AND OTHER INFORMATION SOME PLAYERS COULD ACCUMULATE MORE IN WINNINGS .

                Thinking of...Stock Photography: US $100 Notes Dance

                RH

                http://z.about.com/d/japanese/1/0/H/n/iteza.jpg
                  psykomo's avatar - animal shark.jpg

                  United States
                  Member #4877
                  May 30, 2004
                  5114 Posts
                  Offline
                  Posted: August 29, 2006, 5:18 pm - IP Logged


                  THANKssssssssssssssss..........rhow for bring the article to our

                  ATTENTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  At first, when I was reading the "GAP".......I though your name

                  was Steven Highfield and wanted to start selling information on

                  Lottery Post...................sorry about that, but then it appeared 

                  from some of the post that followed, that YOU were only.........

                  STEALING the information by cut & paste methods, so you.......

                  could pass the INFO on down to GLORY your.................."SELF" 

                  Good suggestion about INC with SKIP/HIT. If,...I get time, will

                  try, otherwise must pick a few FIVE's once in a while and keep

                  on playinnnnnnnnnnn..............Quick-Tricks!!

                  ChairHit With StickLurking     PartyCheers

                  LOL                                                                 $$$

                  PSYKOMO 

                    BobP's avatar - bobp avatar.png
                    Dump Water Florida
                    United States
                    Member #380
                    June 5, 2002
                    3102 Posts
                    Offline
                    Posted: August 30, 2006, 1:01 am - IP Logged

                    Does anyone know the original source of that article?  I know it was written by Steven Highfield, but where was it first published?

                    rhow, this question has nothing to do with any of the above remarks, I'm just curious where it was first published.

                    The article was first published in rec.gambling.lottery on Apr 24, 2000 and archived at Lotto-Logix.  BobP

                      BobP's avatar - bobp avatar.png
                      Dump Water Florida
                      United States
                      Member #380
                      June 5, 2002
                      3102 Posts
                      Offline
                      Posted: August 30, 2006, 1:20 am - IP Logged

                      The article written by Steven Highfield is also available on the South Africa Lottery Information Centre.

                      Is the article on the South Africa Lottery Information Centre also taken from lotto-logix?

                      They're another one that's taken whole pages off Lotto-Logix and republished them.  They've cleaned it up a bit, they originally left in the links to other Lotto-Logix pages so it was kind of funny navagaiting their site and suddenly finding one's self at the source of their information. 

                      My personal opinion is this kind of basic information should be available to all lottery players free of charge.  I don't mind paying for a leg up for high quaility information like being here on Lottery Post, but basic education should be free and I give it away free so how much can I complain when I find myself reading what I wrote elsewhere?  I really only object strongly when what I write is being sold.  (I'd of proofread it better:-)

                      BobP

                        RJOh's avatar - chipmunk
                        mid-Ohio
                        United States
                        Member #9
                        March 24, 2001
                        19816 Posts
                        Offline
                        Posted: August 30, 2006, 2:24 pm - IP Logged

                        Basic information that have been around for a few years may be interesting to a few new players but older players probably have read it before.  It's always more interesting to read the posts of LP members with their own takes on that information because it shows they have thought about it enough to have a discussion about it.  Most players want to know how such information can be helpful for picking winning numbers and a discussion could be helpful.

                         * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                           
                                     Evil Looking