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Maybe a P4 system is more profit than P3

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WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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Posted: November 2, 2006, 10:20 am - IP Logged

 You know...... maybe with the introduction of the .25 cent bets we should revisit our thinking about P-4.

 P-4  just might actually mean more profit for a new system than a P3 system.  

  Just to get it going..... think about this.

  All 120 P-3 single numbers covered every day for 30 bucks.

  All 210 P-4 single numbers covered every day for  52.50

  We win ...... box of 37.50  P-3 

    "              "    of 100.00 P4

    We would lose about 27% of the time on P-3 but we would win 263 times during the year.  Heck..... thats a cost of 10,950 dollars to play every day.....but ....  Win .. 9,862 dollars

                      How about P-4 ?

  We would lose about Half the time in P-4 or call it 50% because only 5,040 numbers of the 10,000 are Single numbers.

  So..... we would win 182 times this year.... but we would collect 100 bucks a win. That's 18,200.00 dollars a year !

Hah.... but the cost to play is a little more. To play all 210 single numbers each day would be 19,162.00   

 

  Now ...... if we only play on the days singles hit...LOL  We win big time.

  Not really that funny when we think about it...... how could we do that? Play just on Singles days?

  One way is not to play each day..... find out what the highest average doubles stacks (in a row) and play only (AFTER) at the very top of those stacks. Hmmmm ..... 

  This is a big fat example to start off with of course. We would whittle different little systems down from here. 

  Come on some of you great money managers.... lay out some plans here.      

 

 

The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                              Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                              Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                       Win d    

    WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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    Posted: November 2, 2006, 10:56 am - IP Logged

     I don't know Win d ...... you worry me talking about my Pick 3 game like that.     I think I could kick your young ass playing pick 3 ......and you playing pick 4. Whata ya say numbers boy? 

      We would just see which is better ...... how about that?  

     

          Signed ,

     

              Mrs Hornsbe.... (The Mean Old Church Lady)

     

     

    The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                  Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                  Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                           Win d    

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      Posted: November 2, 2006, 11:13 am - IP Logged

      Win D you said: "All 210 P-4 single numbers covered every day for  52.50" what do you mean by that? What system can reduce the 210 combinations to 52.50 dollars?

      I'll greatly appreciate the answer...

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        Posted: November 2, 2006, 11:17 am - IP Logged

        Win D you said: "All 210 P-4 single numbers covered every day for  52.50" what do you mean by that? What system can reduce the 210 combinations to 52.50 dollars?

        I'll greatly appreciate the answer...

        Pumpi,

        210 Pick 4 Combinations.  No Quads, No Doubles, No Triples, No Double-Doubles

        Only "No-Match" Pick 4 combinations

        Check out Win D's Blog for the complete list.

        0127  0128  0129  0139  0149  0159  0123  0124  0125  0126
        0136  0137  0138  0148  0158  0168  0169  0179  0134  0135
        0145  0146  0147  0157  0167  0249  0178  0269  0189  0234
        0235  0236  0156  0238  0239  0258  0259  0278  0279  0289
        1234  0245  0237  0247  0248  0267  0268  0359  0369  0379
        0389  1235  0246  0256  0257  0348  0349  0368  0378  0469
        0479  0489  0345  0346  0347  0357  0358  0458  0459  0478
        0569  0579  1236  1237  0356  0456  0367  0467  0468  0568
        0578  0678  1245  1246  1238  1239  0457  1259  0567  1279
        1289  1389  0589  1345  1247  1248  1249  1268  1269  1369      Singles
        1379  1479  0679  0689  1256  1257  1258  1349  1278  1378    No Match 
        1469  1569  1489  1589  1346  1347  1267  1358  1359  1459    210 Combos
        1478  1578  1579  1679  2345  1356  1348  1367  1368  1468    x 24
        1568  2379  1678  2489  0789  2346  1357  1457  1458  1567    =5040
        2369  2469  2389  2579  1689  1789  1456  2348  1467  2359
        2378  2478  2479  2678  2589  2689  2347  2357  2349  2368
        2459  2568  2569  3479  2679  3589  2356  2456  2358  2458
        2468  3459  2578  3569  3489  3679  2789  3789  2367  2467
        2567  3468  3469  3578  3579  4579  3689  4689  2457  3457
        3458  3567  3478  4568  3678  4678  4589  5679  3456  5789
        3467            3568            4569           4679            4789 
        6789            4567            4578            5678            5689

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          Posted: November 2, 2006, 5:56 pm - IP Logged

           I don't know Win d ...... you worry me talking about my Pick 3 game like that.     I think I could kick your young ass playing pick 3 ......and you playing pick 4. Whata ya say numbers boy? 

            We would just see which is better ...... how about that?  

           

                Signed ,

           

                    Mrs Hornsbe.... (The Mean Old Church Lady)

          Well...when you put it like that, it does kind of make sense to play PICK 4

          L ttaL   T

            WIN  D's avatar - q05Q0
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            Posted: November 3, 2006, 9:11 am - IP Logged

            Hey Kimberlee.....  yes it does look like it needs to be looked at again now that we have quarter bets...and double payouts.

             Keep in mind when I post these examples of such things I try to make them big enough to be understood and seen so the point gets out. We can always cut them down later.

             One thing we know.... if they don't work in Big examples ...they won't work in the Little examples ..right?.... LOL 

             Last night I took 30 Evening States and played P3 with them and p4 too. 

              Pick 3 ..... 30 states and

                 played all 120 singles at 120x.25 = $30.00 each state

                  so... 30 states x $30.oo  cost...... $ 900.00

              Of the 30 states there were 8 doubles losers in the group last night. That was exactly the expected rate we will always average with the P3

                We won.......  22 states x 37.50 =  $ 825.00

              That lost $75.00 for the night playing all the 120 single numbers in each of the 30 states. 

                      Pick 4 plays last night using 30 states  

                played all 210 single numbers at $52.50 each for a total cost of 1575.00

                Of the 30 states 13 had doubles losers and so we had 17 states that won for a total of $1700.00 

             So......the profit for Pick 4 last night was actually

                          17oo.oo - 1575.oo =      $125.oo

             

              *  Note ..... It's all up to the doubles isn't it? If we had gotten the expected higher doubles hit rate last night in the P4 game of 50% average or (15 doubles) it would have been a different story.

             Interesting if we had more doubles hit in the P4.......that the loss would only have been .... 75.00  Same as P3 loss.  

             

             

            The only real failure .....is the failure to try.                               

                                          Luck is a very rare thing....... Odds not so much. 

                                          Odds never change .....but probability does. 

                                                                                                   Win d    

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              Posted: November 3, 2006, 11:28 pm - IP Logged

              Pumpi,

              210 Pick 4 Combinations.  No Quads, No Doubles, No Triples, No Double-Doubles

              Only "No-Match" Pick 4 combinations

              Check out Win D's Blog for the complete list.

              0127  0128  0129  0139  0149  0159  0123  0124  0125  0126
              0136  0137  0138  0148  0158  0168  0169  0179  0134  0135
              0145  0146  0147  0157  0167  0249  0178  0269  0189  0234
              0235  0236  0156  0238  0239  0258  0259  0278  0279  0289
              1234  0245  0237  0247  0248  0267  0268  0359  0369  0379
              0389  1235  0246  0256  0257  0348  0349  0368  0378  0469
              0479  0489  0345  0346  0347  0357  0358  0458  0459  0478
              0569  0579  1236  1237  0356  0456  0367  0467  0468  0568
              0578  0678  1245  1246  1238  1239  0457  1259  0567  1279
              1289  1389  0589  1345  1247  1248  1249  1268  1269  1369      Singles
              1379  1479  0679  0689  1256  1257  1258  1349  1278  1378    No Match 
              1469  1569  1489  1589  1346  1347  1267  1358  1359  1459    210 Combos
              1478  1578  1579  1679  2345  1356  1348  1367  1368  1468    x 24
              1568  2379  1678  2489  0789  2346  1357  1457  1458  1567    =5040
              2369  2469  2389  2579  1689  1789  1456  2348  1467  2359
              2378  2478  2479  2678  2589  2689  2347  2357  2349  2368
              2459  2568  2569  3479  2679  3589  2356  2456  2358  2458
              2468  3459  2578  3569  3489  3679  2789  3789  2367  2467
              2567  3468  3469  3578  3579  4579  3689  4689  2457  3457
              3458  3567  3478  4568  3678  4678  4589  5679  3456  5789
              3467            3568            4569           4679            4789 
              6789            4567            4578            5678            5689

              Winsumloosesum I know that and that's 10 numbers you are using..But winD said 54/56...

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                Posted: November 4, 2006, 12:25 am - IP Logged

                WIN D

                 So......the profit for Pick 4 last night was actually

                              17oo.oo - 1575.oo =      $125.oo

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                 Just my $.02, but the risk is way to great for the payoff. Lose two or three days in a row, don't even pick yup the $125, and you'll never get even, let alone win.

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                  Posted: November 4, 2006, 1:09 am - IP Logged

                  i hit twice in 2005 on a pick 4 straight 50 cent in my state for 5 grand all total.i hit two more times in 2006 online for a quarter for a total of 4,500 bucks.these are the smallest bets you can place in both places for pick 4 on a bet.thats almost ten grand in winnings.its a little harder with pick 4 but you'll come out way better in the end with it than you will pick 3 as far as winnings go.i found out i would hit almost as often with pick 4 as i would the pick 3 game and then i started thinking it might be smart just to go for the big money.just think one pick four straight is 5,000 in state and 9,000 dollars online and you could be set for awhile just on one hit.