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Quote: Originally posted by sfilippo on Jan 4, 2007
I think this is a great system.
I'll do Oklahoma's history, but with a little twist.
I'm going to reorder the picks according to numeric sequence.
So, pick 924 becomes 249; pick 821 becomes 128; ect...
I want to reoder them so when I do the frogger math from one to the other,
I can focus on reoccurring patterns in the math.
Then I might be able to see which addition sequences happen more frequently.
Plus, I need something like this to keep my brain busy. I ain't gettin' no younger.
I'll work on it and return with my findings...
When dissecting a lotto database to look for patterns in this manner, the rearranging of the draw combo pattern is one of the first things I do also before performing any operations on them and logging the results for the last 50 to 100 draws. First I put in order and use the smallest to largest digits in the combo, then the largest to smallest. Then I use the remaining combinatoric ways to construct the same combo in different orders.
I proceed by using the actual draw combo as ABC, followed by ACB, BCA, BAC, CAB, CBA... its' breakdown by rearranging the data in the 1, or 3, or 6-ways possible, depending on whether the draw combo was a singles combo, a doubles combo, or a triples combo for Pick 3, ( or a quad combo for Pick 4 games ).
Sometimes I do find that if all draws were re-arranged in a certain one of the 6-way/3-way patterns ( such as always using the BAC pattern for instance ), and the same operation was performed to arrive at a combo pick to use for next draw while always using the BAC version of the past draw results, some patterns will create a noticeably higher percentage of direct hits and boxed hits than they otherwise would have if we had stuck with the actual database draw order of the combo, depending on what operation you have performed on the combos to achieve a result.
I consider this method a good practice simply because your mind will suddenly come up with all kinds of ideas and emotions about picking a winning combo, and spurs you on to back-testing other possibilities.
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Quote: Originally posted by Gus P on Jan 6, 2007
Actually, now that I've read it over a few times, I think I understand what Lottolaughs is getting at in their fourth post, with the formula box...
I want to see if I understand it, so I'll use last night's Ohio evening number, 784... Looking back through the results, the add-ons for all the other times 784 were drawn were:
234 024 679 231 237 235 740
Off the bat, I can see that four of the seven start with 23-, so I can start off with that. Making some educated picks from the list, I end up with something like
Welcome to the Post,Gus! Thanks for visiting here!
Sounds like you understand perfectly. If you've got your follower numbers all mapped out,you've got it easy! That's what I'm working on too.
One more hint--you might want to also write out your add-on's from a whole week's worth of followers from your number, in this case 784. That will give you MORE add-on's to work with and perhaps find even more of a pattern. That's what I'm hoping to find. Let me know what happens for you,thanks!
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Quote: Originally posted by LottoHackJack on Jan 6, 2007
When dissecting a lotto database to look for patterns in this manner, the rearranging of the draw combo pattern is one of the first things I do also before performing any operations on them and logging the results for the last 50 to 100 draws. First I put in order and use the smallest to largest digits in the combo, then the largest to smallest. Then I use the remaining combinatoric ways to construct the same combo in different orders.
I proceed by using the actual draw combo as ABC, followed by ACB, BCA, BAC, CAB, CBA... its' breakdown by rearranging the data in the 1, or 3, or 6-ways possible, depending on whether the draw combo was a singles combo, a doubles combo, or a triples combo for Pick 3, ( or a quad combo for Pick 4 games ).
Sometimes I do find that if all draws were re-arranged in a certain one of the 6-way/3-way patterns ( such as always using the BAC pattern for instance ), and the same operation was performed to arrive at a combo pick to use for next draw while always using the BAC version of the past draw results, some patterns will create a noticeably higher percentage of direct hits and boxed hits than they otherwise would have if we had stuck with the actual database draw order of the combo, depending on what operation you have performed on the combos to achieve a result.
I consider this method a good practice simply because your mind will suddenly come up with all kinds of ideas and emotions about picking a winning combo, and spurs you on to back-testing other possibilities.
LottoHackJack
Hey,Jack,good to hear from you. Know you've been busy with your system and so glad to see that it's available. Can't wait to see what you've come up with!
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Gus,this is for you.
An example here so we are clear about the followers. I was just reading my answer to you and I can see how this could be misinterpreted. When I'm saying followers I'm refering to what your add-on's would be in relation to the drawing number,again for your 784. Not how they would be if you had gone through all the results and done them number to number but what you would have had to add on to 784 to get them.
Take for example a past result from CA.
724
These were the 7 followers--
387
358
661
145
942
009
903
Now if we were to do the add-on's normally for these numbers,here's what we'd have---
663
634
947
421
228
385
289
Followers rearranged from smallest to largest:
378
358
166
145
249
009
039
Watch the difference in the add-on pattern----
654
634
442
421
525
385
315
Look at all the 4's and 5's that start jumping out at you. This is what will help you formulate that add-on box into the right combination!!
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Great Post LottoLaughs..
There is so much to learn with the history of draws..
I am backtesting what I will call "repeated position"
What I do is look for a position on the result page that was repeated.. for example if
321
024 falls.. The position II was repeated with the two.. Then I make pairs with the 14, 03 to come up with a number to play for the next few days.. Back testing has shown that sometimes within a week.. 104 013 431 etc will come out.. Now this is something to use with other programs.. Another thing I have noticed is that when using the repeated position.. you will find a pair 13 in one rp and 35 in another rp.. This is warning you to play the 135 combo..
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Quote: Originally posted by tntea on Jan 6, 2007
Great Post LottoLaughs..
There is so much to learn with the history of draws..
I am backtesting what I will call "repeated position"
What I do is look for a position on the result page that was repeated.. for example if
321
024 falls.. The position II was repeated with the two.. Then I make pairs with the 14, 03 to come up with a number to play for the next few days.. Back testing has shown that sometimes within a week.. 104 013 431 etc will come out.. Now this is something to use with other programs.. Another thing I have noticed is that when using the repeated position.. you will find a pair 13 in one rp and 35 in another rp.. This is warning you to play the 135 combo..
Hope this helps someone..
, Jan 8, 2007
3-5-7
8-7-9
4-0-4-4
0-6-4-4
Sat, Jan 6, 2007
0-7-1
3-5-6
3-4-4-5
8-0-3-5
Fri, Jan 5, 2007
6-1-3
7-8-4
8-9-7-9
1-3-7-7
Thu, Jan 4, 2007
0-8-7
9-4-4
1-8-6-9
6-1-6-3
OHIO came through with the "repeated position" set-up as mentioned in this post.. Numbers were discussed in Chat last night.. Hope others took advantage of this opportunity..
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Quote: Originally posted by tntea on Jan 6, 2007
Great Post LottoLaughs..
There is so much to learn with the history of draws..
I am backtesting what I will call "repeated position"
What I do is look for a position on the result page that was repeated.. for example if
321
024 falls.. The position II was repeated with the two.. Then I make pairs with the 14, 03 to come up with a number to play for the next few days.. Back testing has shown that sometimes within a week.. 104 013 431 etc will come out.. Now this is something to use with other programs.. Another thing I have noticed is that when using the repeated position.. you will find a pair 13 in one rp and 35 in another rp.. This is warning you to play the 135 combo..
Hope this helps someone..
Drawing Date
Pick 3
Pick 4
Midday
Evening
Midday
Evening
Mon, Jan 8, 2007
9-7-7
4-7-5
8-6-6-1
8-5-5-9
Sun, Jan 7, 2007
8-3-6
0-4-6-1
Sat, Jan 6, 2007
5-0-8
9-3-9
0-4-7-0
6-1-5-2
Fri, Jan 5, 2007
7-2-0
8-5-0
1-9-0-8
1-0-5-5
Thu, Jan 4, 2007
7-2-0
3-8-3
7-3-5-6
2-8-3-7
Wed, Jan 3, 2007
6-2-8
5-5-8
4-3-3-4
2-8-4-5
Tue, Jan 2, 2007
4-9-5
5-4-8
9-7-9-2
2-4-2-1
TN came through with "repeated position" system as discussed above...
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Quote: Originally posted by tntea on Jan 8, 2007
Drawing Date
Pick 3
Pick 4
Midday
Evening
Midday
Evening
Mon, Jan 8, 2007
0-6-8
Sun, Jan 7, 2007
7-0-1
5-7-1
Sat, Jan 6, 2007
2-3-6
9-2-7
Fri, Jan 5, 2007
5-3-1
6-9-9
CA warning.. 661 161. 251 256 205
Love this whole test you've got going on here,tntea! Thanks for your interest and will keep watching to see what happens! Very curious to see how CA will do!