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# can numbers go cold?

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123 139 839 have you noticed that these havent fallen in the florida cash 3 since 2005? whats up with that? would it be wise to play these numbers?

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123 139 839 have you noticed that these havent fallen in the florida cash 3 since 2005? whats up with that? would it be wise to play these numbers?

It's funny you say this, but with a slight augmentation,,,,

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would it be wise to play these numbers?

You would have to define the parameters of what the word "WISE" represents.

Then we can procede...LOL

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123 139 839 have you noticed that these havent fallen in the florida cash 3 since 2005? whats up with that? would it be wise to play these numbers?

Yes, numbers can go very cold.  And there's no way of telling when they will fall.

In KS Pick 3 for example, the 26 front pair hasn't been drawn straight in 1, 071 drawings.

So there's no way of telling if it would be wise to play your three combinations. If they hit soon, then it will be considered wise. If they are out another 500 draws, it would be considered not wise.

In the end, it's all a crapshoot. You just have to make a good guess and be right on the day it hits.

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123 139 839 have you noticed that these havent fallen in the florida cash 3 since 2005? whats up with that? would it be wise to play these numbers?

Has there been 1000 draws since those numbers hit? I'm not even sure if being absent for 2000 draws would qualify them to be put on the missing numbers list.

Some states have numbers that haven't hit in over 10 years.

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NO!

They never get cold...

The number 3 will be good forever and ever....LOL

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123 139 839 have you noticed that these havent fallen in the florida cash 3 since 2005? whats up with that? would it be wise to play these numbers?

I've done extensive research into more than a dozen states Pick 3 histories.  Many of the states I examined have draw histories of 8,000 to well over 10,000 draws.

Heres what I can tell you about long out numbers that have either never hit or havent hit for years:  There are certain amounts of numbers that shouldnt hit within a measured number of games.  In 1,000 pick 3 games, many people expect about all 1,000 numbers to be drawn.  This isnt how it works...actually, only about 632 of the numbers will be drawn.  By the time 3000 games goes by, there will still be close to 50 numbers that havent hit.

Now when you get to around 6000 to 7000 games, most numbers have hit at least once.  However, sometimes it takes up to between 8,000 and 9,000 fotr the last number to hit.

Currently in Ohio, the straight 023 hasnt been drawn for over 9500 games now.  Illinois had a number stay out for somewhere around 10,500 games not too long ago.

 Games % of Matrix Drawn Remaining 693 50.010% 500 1000 63.230% 368 1500 77.704% 223 2000 86.480% 135 2500 91.802% 82 3000 95.029% 50 3500 96.986% 30 4000 98.172% 18 4500 98.892% 11 5000 99.328% 7 5500 99.592% 4 6000 99.753% 2 6500 99.850% 1 7000 99.909% 1 7500 99.945% 1

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I like your statistics here,Thoth. In Calif. we've had just over 7,000 drawings and only 1 number has never appeared as a straight, 164. Seems pretty accurate to me.

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Has there been 1000 draws since those numbers hit? I'm not even sure if being absent for 2000 draws would qualify them to be put on the missing numbers list.

Some states have numbers that haven't hit in over 10 years.

"Missing" is definitely subjective. The probability of any  given number not coming up in one draw of pick 3  is .999. The probability of  not coming up in either of two draws is .999 X .999. The probability of not coming up in 2000  draws is .999 ^ 2000, which is .135. If there's a 13.5% chance that a number won't come up, how could you call  it missing? As Thoth's chart shows, the flip side to a 13.% chance of any given number not being drawn in 2000 tries is that  in 2000 drawing we should expect that 13.5% of the numbers won't be drawn.

I'm willing to consider that the universe "wants" everything to balance out, and that on a universal scale every event that has a probability of .001 will eventually happen exactly 1.0 times for every 1000 tries. Your state lottery is much smaller than the universe and won't last nearly as long. A number that doesn't turn up in 2 or 3 thousand draws isn't cold or missing. It's simply doing what we can expect it to do.

FWIW, the same general principle is true for any group of numbers.  If you have twice as many drawings as there are numbers, it will always be just about 13.5% that can be expected to not come up.

67 numbers, 134 draws  = .1333

300 numbers,  and 600 draws = .1349

10,000 numbers, 20,000 draws = .1353

500,000 numbers , 1 million draws = .1353

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Thoth and Floyd did a nice job of explaining "whats up with that?" and according to Thoth's statistics, even after two years about 500 numbers should be just as due as those 3.

Badger pointed out the front pair 26 hasn't been drawn in Kansas in 1071 drawings so anybody playing 260 - 269 was out of luck. It sure does look like the front pair 26 is due but if it hits 5 times in the next 100 draws at least 5 of those numbers will still be on the "due to hit" list.

Didn't the "wise-guys" book the numbers before state governments got into the action?

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Thoth and Floyd did a nice job of explaining "whats up with that?" and according to Thoth's statistics, even after two years about 500 numbers should be just as due as those 3.

Badger pointed out the front pair 26 hasn't been drawn in Kansas in 1071 drawings so anybody playing 260 - 269 was out of luck. It sure does look like the front pair 26 is due but if it hits 5 times in the next 100 draws at least 5 of those numbers will still be on the "due to hit" list.

Didn't the "wise-guys" book the numbers before state governments got into the action?

Stack47...

That pair 26X being out 1071 is going to hit soon.  Ive tested max-outs for the pairs in alot of different states and that is just about as far as they like to go.  No way will it go farther than a hundred more games.

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Stack47...

That pair 26X being out 1071 is going to hit soon.  Ive tested max-outs for the pairs in alot of different states and that is just about as far as they like to go.  No way will it go farther than a hundred more games.

I was looking at the Kansas Pick 3 results from the beginning of the year and it looks like somebody put the middle digit 6 into their pocket. It never came out in January, twice in February and so far hasn't come out in March. The first digit 2 has done a little better coming out 5 times in 67 draws.

In the previous 1000 draws the front pair 26 came out 14 times and if we didn't know about the current streak and compared it to the front pair 10 that came out 8 times in the same 2071 draws, it would look much better. (The front pair 10 only came out 1 time in the 1000 draw period when the front pair 26 came out 14 times.)

It reminds me of the streak in Ohio when the middle digit 2 was AWOL for so long and the affect it had on its 100 possible combinations. If we broke down the 1071 draws into ten 100 drawing periods and saw where the front pair 26 missed 7 or 8 consecutive periods, we might have thought it should hit in the next period and if not, it would surely hit in the one after that.

We can get 50/1 odd betting the streak will end tonight if it did, but what kind of odds can we get betting it will end in the next 100 draws? When I see a streak, my playing strategy is simple; either bet on the streak continuing or don't bet at all.

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I was looking at the Kansas Pick 3 results from the beginning of the year and it looks like somebody put the middle digit 6 into their pocket. It never came out in January, twice in February and so far hasn't come out in March. The first digit 2 has done a little better coming out 5 times in 67 draws.

In the previous 1000 draws the front pair 26 came out 14 times and if we didn't know about the current streak and compared it to the front pair 10 that came out 8 times in the same 2071 draws, it would look much better. (The front pair 10 only came out 1 time in the 1000 draw period when the front pair 26 came out 14 times.)

It reminds me of the streak in Ohio when the middle digit 2 was AWOL for so long and the affect it had on its 100 possible combinations. If we broke down the 1071 draws into ten 100 drawing periods and saw where the front pair 26 missed 7 or 8 consecutive periods, we might have thought it should hit in the next period and if not, it would surely hit in the one after that.

We can get 50/1 odd betting the streak will end tonight if it did, but what kind of odds can we get betting it will end in the next 100 draws? When I see a streak, my playing strategy is simple; either bet on the streak continuing or don't bet at all.

Well the "odds" are 1 in 100 every draw but there is about a 63.4% probability that it will be drawn within the next 100 games.

I wouldn't play it every draw either, but if you see any of the other 5 combinations of a 2 and 6 drawn, I would play the 26X with hopes of a 2-digit return occurring and producing it for a win...especially if a one of those other 5 combinations is drawn less than 5 games after a different 2-digit return (50% of all 2-digit returns occur within 5 games of a previous one).  Like my number 023 being out more than 9550 games in Ohio, tonights number was 030, so I'll play the 023 hard tomorrow morning.

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Well the "odds" are 1 in 100 every draw but there is about a 63.4% probability that it will be drawn within the next 100 games.

I wouldn't play it every draw either, but if you see any of the other 5 combinations of a 2 and 6 drawn, I would play the 26X with hopes of a 2-digit return occurring and producing it for a win...especially if a one of those other 5 combinations is drawn less than 5 games after a different 2-digit return (50% of all 2-digit returns occur within 5 games of a previous one).  Like my number 023 being out more than 9550 games in Ohio, tonights number was 030, so I'll play the 023 hard tomorrow morning.

63.4% is much better than even money but the lotteries only pay back 50 cents for every buck we bet so we would need the probability of any front pair being drawn within the next 50 games. At best only half the front pairs could be drawn.

Had I read that before the Midday draw, I would have put a couple bucks on 023 too because of the streak. 332 hit and the streak continues so I got five \$1 straight tickets on the 023 and a \$2 box for the Evening draw.

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63.4% is much better than even money but the lotteries only pay back 50 cents for every buck we bet so we would need the probability of any front pair being drawn within the next 50 games. At best only half the front pairs could be drawn.

Had I read that before the Midday draw, I would have put a couple bucks on 023 too because of the streak. 332 hit and the streak continues so I got five \$1 straight tickets on the 023 and a \$2 box for the Evening draw.

....and the two digit return hit, but unfortunately no 023. Grr...out a few more more bucks lol.  179 is almost out 8,000.  been playin that one off and on too.

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