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# PB strategies: OOPR's

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 Posted: March 18, 2007, 12:23 pm - IP Logged

OOPR = Out Of Position Repeats (Sort Order)

I finally counted all of the out of position repeats in powerball history and this situation occurs in 29.86% of all draws

positional repeats happened in 18.2% of all draws so far.

what that leaves is a composite number of the observed history of numbers from one draw showing up in the next... which is 48.06%

the most popular repeats are position one following position one and position 5 following position 5

here is the breakdown for repeats in any position

0 repeats = 59.51%

1 repeat = 33.33%

2 repeats = 6.44%

3 repeats = 0.61%

4 repeats = 0 %

5 repeats = 0%

What do we do with this info? looks like a safer bet would be to either eliminate all repeats or have only one once in awhile...

I'm on a mission... figure this thing out this year or I'm done systems for good ! (back to 1 QP)

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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Here is a PB strategy, or any type of 5 , 6, or 7 etc. lotto game for that matter, that I have started using recently.  The basic idea is not new to me, but a new way to try to implement it is.  For many years I have made up a work sheet showing the position of each number in a lotto game going backwards thru the draw history until each lotto number is covered. In other words, the first line or row of my work sheet would be the 5 PB numbers that just hit and this row wold be labeled "1".  The 2nd row would be the second draw back, the 3rd row the third draw back, etc.  As you go back thru the draws the numbers that have hit again would be eliminated from each row of course, so that each number in the lotto game only appears in the row of its most recent appearance.  Some lotto programs would call this setup  "Since Hit".  Excell experts could probably easily create a program that would print out this type of chart.  After each drawing, I collect the "row hit" data for each number and create a vertical chart that shows this. For the next draw, I consult this chart to "guess which rows or "Since Hit" lines might be used to get the numbers for the next draw.  I used this strategy for many years with some degree of success in DE lotto games until they did away with a regular lotto game and went to the "Multiwin Lotto" game.  Haven't been able to do much with this one!  My new twist to this strategy was to observe which position of each row the numbers seem to come from. I had not done this in past years as I was using some other stats that my computer program generated for each digit from the hit chart and probably picked too many numbers from the 3rd, 4th vertical positions. Recently though I began to notice that 2 to 3 numbers usually come from the first vertical position of the rows.  Now this is not an extraordinary discovery , but just plain law of averages since there are more numbers of the lotto in this first position vertical column of numbers (duh!!).  Then the next numbers drawn will be coming from the 2nd and 3rd  vertical columns on the average.  The 4th and 5th columns will not contain too many numbers, but still a few numbers will come from these every other draw or so.  My stategy then that I am using now is to first guess the row positions back or down thru the draws that I think the numbers will come from in the next draw and then select about half of my number amount from the 1st vertical position in the horizontal rows I think will be used. I get the other half of the numbers from mainly the 2nd and 3rd vertical positions in the horizontal rows I have selected.  For 6 number lotto I usually use a simple 12 number wheeling system which many of you know.  One simply takes the 12 numbers and arranges them into 4 groups of 3 numbers and then wheels these 4 groups together 2 groups at a time until 6 combinations are created.  I arrange the numbers into these groups by starting at the highest row I selected and move down through the rows so that a winning combination would reflect the type of data result I have in the "row position" data chart.  For example: If I selected 2 numbers from the first row which would be 2 numbers that just hit in the last draw, 1 number from the 3rd row or 3rd draw back, 1 number from the 4th row or 4th draw back, 1 number from the 7th row back, and 1 number from the 10th draw back and these were the groups that the drawing came from then my data chart would have posted vertically: 1,1,3,4,7,10.  So my 4 groups of 3 numbers would be arranged to create combinations that would reflect this type of result. For example, one of the 3 number groups would have position numbers "1,1,3.  Another 4, 7 and 10 position numbers.  The other 2 groups would be similar.  Without using a system per se, one could just arrange the combinations with a few numbers from each column for example:  for PB make a 1,1,1,2,3  combination using 3 numbers from the 1st position vertical column and one each from the 2nd and 3rd vertical columns getting these numbers from the horizontal rows that one is guessing the numbers will come from for the next draw.  Then make up other similar combinations according to your PB budget.  I put this together pretty quickly, so hope the idea is clear enough.  If you go back about 10 draws and work up a data chart showing the "since hit" positions of these draws, you will be able to see the pattern of how the numbers are selected and get some good ideas of where to look for the numbers in the next draw.  You will be able to eliminate a lot of numbers from the game this way.  My overall PB strategy is to just hope that I can put 4 numbers on a line and guess the right PB number while paying the extra \$1 for the Power Play (and that it is 5 for that night) so that I win \$50 grand!  I usually study the PB numbers that have been drawn and pick one that I think is due to play and play it with each line for each draw until it hits.  My ultimate dream is to guess all 5 white balls while playing the Power Play (and it is 5) so that I win a \$1,000,000!!  Of course it would be nice for this to happen on the night I guessed the correct PB!!

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Nice system both of you!

I got my fingers crossed ready to win!!!

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 Posted: March 22, 2007, 1:25 pm - IP Logged

OOPR = Out Of Position Repeats (Sort Order)

I finally counted all of the out of position repeats in powerball history and this situation occurs in 29.86% of all draws

positional repeats happened in 18.2% of all draws so far.

what that leaves is a composite number of the observed history of numbers from one draw showing up in the next... which is 48.06%

the most popular repeats are position one following position one and position 5 following position 5

here is the breakdown for repeats in any position

0 repeats = 59.51%

1 repeat = 33.33%

2 repeats = 6.44%

3 repeats = 0.61%

4 repeats = 0 %

5 repeats = 0%

What do we do with this info? looks like a safer bet would be to either eliminate all repeats or have only one once in awhile...

I'm on a mission... figure this thing out this year or I'm done systems for good ! (back to 1 QP)

Hypersoniq,

I too have noticed the repeats are generally in the 1 and 5 position (I call them series) draws.  It has always been the toughest to identify the 2, 3 , and 4 series numbers.  I have developed a spreadshee that identifys which series the previous drawings have fallen into, looking for a pattern. More often than not, I have found that two of the drawing numbers fall into a range (like 2- 30's, 2-20's, etc.; see below).  I also have noticed that, at least from a distance (or having the spreadsheet decreased in size), that the winning draws appears in a tracked pattern.  I don't think that part of my spreadsheet that I dropped in does this justice.  I try to pick numbers from  the area of the immediate tracing, but have had limite luck in this.  Your information above is helpful, and will try to put it to good use.

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The data I provided above is the first step in a new back-testable system I am kicking around in the back of my mind.

what I discovered doing the spreadsheet that generated those numbers was that I was using "tunnel vision" only going just 1 draw back.

at this point I have proven a theory that the ends of sorted order draws like the 5wbs in powerball tend to repeat (draw to draw) the most. This holds true with the comparatively small data pool of the PA match6 and the venerable (4000+draws) of the PA cash 5.

The next step (the one I have to plan yet) involves looking for "latent repeaters". such as repeaters that skip a draw. Since I am looking for both positional and out-of-position repeaters, the new system practically named itself...

Powerball  L(oop)Rs

"Latent (Out-Of-Position) Repeater Schedule" . "oop" is parenthetical because it's also looking at positional repeaters.

I will look from 2 to 100 (or more if warranted) draws back. counting everything as I did for 1 draw back on a separate worksheet for each increment.

What I am looking for is anything that has a 50% or better occurrence rate. (calculated by dividing the number of occurrences of a particular event divided by the number of total draws being considered... then x100 for the percent)

for example, if the first >50% L(oop)R happens to be "2nd white ball was the 3rd white ball 27 draws ago", then I can look back 26 draws for a pick for position 2. This I can backtest easily... the trick is excel page creation & analysis.... could take quite awhile even just copying the one sheet and modifying the target cells. Finding the one for each position would create a schedule of how far back in history to go to get a single pick for the next draw.

up-side... it will be immediately backtestable, I can use the same sheet trix i used for my old PB stats page and get instant visual feedback thanks to the small wonder that is conditional formatting ;-). It will generate just one single solitary line to play (always my goal with ANY system). AND depending on the shortest skip, I can "look ahead" a few draws.

down side... there may not be any >50% patterns. But at least I will have one less possibility before I give up and say "I looked everywhere" ;-)

Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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 Posted: April 1, 2007, 1:00 pm - IP Logged

LoopRS driving me LOOPY!

I have a running test, have to increment (or i suppose decrement is proper) each skip by hand, but progress is being made.

so far, the repeats tend to hold positionally, for all 5 WB positions.

I have backtested stand-alone on the red ball to find that the number that was drawn 54 draws ago is most likely to repeat

NOTE most likely means 34 occurrences.. that's only 3.59% of all draws...

I tested the red ball back to 241 draws and 54 back is king.

I am only back 136 draws in the white balls (harder process with the oopr's) but the frontrunners for each position are all positional, with the largest cluster of repeats coming from 10 draws back (WB1, 3 and 4 are all highest @ 10 draws back, keep in mind were talking less than 7%)

it may take weeks but I will carry this out until i can go back no further... at least it will give me time to devise the next system.

The bright side is that I re-adjusted my system criteria, if I can't backtest easily, I drop it (that means the recycle bin for the PROfile monstrosity... actually the thumb drive archives, I'm an excel packrat since the HDD crash! I lost all my stat systems and v-trac sheets in that "incident", along with my big histories of PA 3/4/cash5)

I let the backtest sheet go a few draws ahead, it matched the 16 and 36 in the PB, albeit out of position. picked 19 for the pb, which was 36... oh well, glad I didn't play that pick.

for the RB data, the longest gap was 136 draws, the shortest was 2 draws, the average was 29 draws and the most popular gap was 8 draws which happened 6 times in the 34 hits. by contrast, the most popular PB is #20 with 35 hits... longest gap was 122 draws, shortest was 3, most popular gap for 20 is 20, which happened 3 times... so not far off from playing the hottest number, but even that represents less than 4% of hits.

much work to do...

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 Posted: April 1, 2007, 1:55 pm - IP Logged

I also checked the frequency of the PB repeats for the last 200 drawings and found 7 and 16 draws repeated the most.  Below is a part of that check:

1. 4
2. 4
3. 3
4. 5
5. 5
6. 4
7. 7
8. 4
9. 1
10. 3
11. 1
12. 5
13. 3
14. 3
15. 2
16. 7
17. 1
18. 4
19. 3
20. 3
21. 5
22. 3
23. 1
24. 1
25. 4
26. 5
27. 3
28. 1
29. 1
30. 5
~ etc.

seven draw PB repeat:

03/31/07  02 05 16 36 40  +36
03/07/07  13 16 18 19 46  +36

03/17/07  07 17 44 47 54  +03
02/21/07  02 08 22 29 37  +03

09/09/06  03 19 20 22 47  +02
08/16/06  02 13 22 48 50  +02

03/15/06  07 12 36 48 54  +37
02/15/06  03 13 15 39 40  +37

10/26/05  02 10 39 42 43  +23
10/01/05  08 18 38 45 54  +23

09/07/05  12 32 40 50 54  +37  (matrix change)
08/13/05  01 02 18 37 43  +37

06/08/05  10 36 40 42 43  +42
05/14/05  21 29 38 49 52  +42

~ etc.

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 Posted: April 1, 2007, 6:49 pm - IP Logged

Using information from the same source as the about information, my top eight picks for the PB(bonus number)* on 04/04/07 would be:

#1 = 32
#2 = 10
#3 = 14
#4 = 05
#5 = 03
#6 = 30
#7 = 31
#8 = 34

* Note: This information not intended for actual playing, it's only a test.

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my red ball pick for 4/4/07 is    03

matches your #5 pick. I'm always after the one shot pick... this one is the above mentioned 54 draws back.

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 Posted: April 6, 2007, 7:08 pm - IP Logged

looks like we both missed that one

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 Posted: April 6, 2007, 8:57 pm - IP Logged

looks like we both missed that one

Yes but I did it with eight tries.

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