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Posted: May 5, 2007, 2:14 am - IP Logged

I thought about this like 2 & 1/2 years ago, but thought that you perhaps had to know a lot about a wheel's code/rules and how to build a wheel....I am putting this out there because, i think that with this idea we probably could CRACK Powerball...It should be easy in theory but maybe hard to put together in real life (or maybe not)...

Before i start i'll really appreciate the replies/response of LP members...I have to say, it will not come CHEAP...

Here it goes: What if instead of creating ONE big wheel size 45 with a 4/5 that will cost you a vast amount of money , why not create several/lots small wheels size 17 or 15 with 4/5 and replicate it several times until you get the numbers that are going to play in the lotto on those 15 numbers or 17 numbers...What if we create several/lots small wheels size 10 that will give us a several 4/5 and replicate it but each time combining different numbers with numbers not covered previously until we have CONTAIN the 6 numbers that will play on the sized 10 wheel or until we say that all possible group of 10 numbers COVERS/CONTAINS the 6 winning numbers...

Were do i get this idea? Maybe this will help you understand what i am saying...I get the idea from the fact that "if 1 person plays a wheel size 10 he is not very likely to contain the 6 winning numbers in the group of 10...But if 200 or 100 people each play a wheel size 10 with different numbers, 1 of them is likely to cover the 6 winning numbers in his/her group of 10"....That's why i was saying why not take a wheel size 10 and replicate it but with different numbers each time so as to optimally covered all possible 6 numbers and this way contain the 6 winning numbers in 1 group of 10...And the great thing about it is that if you contain the 6 winning numbers in a wheel/group of 10 you are VERY LIKELY to have a 6/6 ticket match....(Assuming we were trying to win a pick6/49 game)...The problem with a wheel size 17 is that it will cost a lot more to replicate because a wheel size 14 for example with 2 5/6 match will cost 346 dollars while a wheel size 10 that guarantees 2 5/6 match will cost around 26 dollars (I could be wrong about the 26 dollars for i don't have the exact figure for lotterywheel does not show all the information)...And you don't have to cover all 49 numbers possible, you could put a limit, and say well i am going to cover 35 numbers or 40 numbers with my 10 sized wheel....But if you cover all possible 49 numbers you are guaranteed to have the 6 winning numbers in the 10 sized wheel around 2 times (depends how many times you repeated the 10 sized wheel)...Let's do so math now...If a wheel size 10 that guarantees 2 5/6 match will cost around 26 dollars, then for 200 dollars you should get 16, 5/6 match but i am theorizing (is a theory) that you would have around  2, 10 sized wheel with the 6 winning numbers, making it 32, 5/6 match...And 32, 5/6 match from a field of 49 is a good size covered...You are probably likely to win the particular lotto6/49....And that's a lotto6/49, imagine now a lotto6/42 or lotto6/44? YOu probably end up been a winner EVERY drawing...Why every drawing? Because you end up covering all the field of 49/42/44 numbers with a 10 sized wheel...But it wouldn't come cheap..Those 200 dollars with a wheel that guarantees 16, 5/6 numbers you have to multiply it several/lots of times; several time until you've covered all the field of 49 or 42 or 44 numbers...So if it cost you 100 times that you most multiply that 10 sized wheel of 200 dollars is going to be 200 X 100 = 20,000 (i said it would not come cheap)...But because you've covered all possible ways to contain the field of 49/42/44 numbers in the 10 sized wheel, you are GUARANTEED to have the 6 winning numbers contained/covered in the 10 sized wheel/group...And if you count the 2 times you would/should get the 6 winning numbers contained in the 10 sized wheel, that will be 16, 5/6 X 2 = 32, 5/6....If you take MA's CashWinFall for a 5/6 it pays 4,000 dollars...So 4K X 16, 5/6= 64,000, but because is 2 times is 4K X 32, 5/6 = 128,000 that you will make EVERY DRAWING...So you will spend 20,000 and gain 128,000...But if you look at Ga's Win For Life, which pays 52,000 if you get a 5/6 + bonus ball...I also theorize that you should get the bonus ball on the 10 sized wheel 1 time...This would be 16, 5/6 X 52,000 = 832,000 per draw you would make, and guaranteed too because you are covering the field of 42 (in this case is 42), not to mention that at the same time you would be having 32, 5/6 for every drawing which could have the winning ticket...With those 32, 5/6 you would have 76% chance of having he winning ticket, EVERY DRAWING, not to mention the 64,000 or 128,000 or 832,000 that you would be making from it on EVERY DRAWING...With those figures you are likely to win Win For Life, every month, AT LEAST....

But again this is just a THEORY....This is an idea, that you could elaborate on...The wheel doesn't have to be size 10 it could be size 9...But no less than 9 though...

Guys, what do you all think...

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    The odds of having all the winning numbers among a small field is very small.  In a 6/49 game wheeling 24 numbers the odds are all six winning numbers will fall among your 24 one time in 100 tries. 

    Given the choice of building one wheel to your budget or 10 smaller wheels, your better bet is the big wheel given no valid prediction method to load the smaller wheels otherwise you'd only need one little wheel not ten of them. 

    This has always been the lottery player's dilemma. 

    Play a small tight wheel for a good prize with little chance of having enough winning numbers on the wheel to guarantee the prize. Or

    Play a large loose wheel for a small prize in the hope the wheel will produce a prize above its guarantee.

    BobP

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      Posted: May 5, 2007, 11:16 am - IP Logged

      This is the same thread i posted 2 days ago,only shorter.It will cost me 252$using 10 numbers.If i hit just 3 of them,i win 313$,,4 - 1320$ and 5 of course is jackpot.I think this is the only good way to hit the jackpot.

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        Posted: May 6, 2007, 12:32 am - IP Logged

        This is the same thread i posted 2 days ago,only shorter.It will cost me 252$using 10 numbers.If i hit just 3 of them,i win 313$,,4 - 1320$ and 5 of course is jackpot.I think this is the only good way to hit the jackpot.

        Playing a full 10 number wheel for $252. in a 5/39 game the odds change from . . .

        5 Correct = 1 in 575,757.00 to 1 in  2,284.75
        4 Correct = 1 in 3,386.81 to 1 in 94.54
        3 Correct = 1 in 102.63 to 1 in 11.82

        Still tough odds to beat.  Why not play a 4if5in10number16line wheel until you win that $1,320, then you could try your full wheel five times on their money. 

         1  2  3  4  9
         1  2  3  5 10
         1  2  4  6  7
         1  2  6  8  9
         1  3  5  6  7
         1  3  5  7  8
         1  4  5  8 10
         1  7  8  9 10
         2  3  4  6  8
         2  3  5  7  9
         2  4  6  9 10
         2  5  7  8 10
         3  4  6  7 10
         3  6  8  9 10
         4  5  6  9 10
         4  5  7  8  9
        end 16 lines 4if5in10numbers 

        BobP


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          Posted: May 6, 2007, 1:35 am - IP Logged

          pumpi now your using your noodle. At one time or another many of us have had the notion what if i could get 20 people to put out 100 bucks each and we wheeled the numbers in three or 4 different sets. In theory it's a sound idea but finding 20 people to put up the cash is another thing. Also the preparation work and getting all the betting slips made out will take some time also. Lots of ideas sound good until you investigate what is involved in getting it done.

          But as BOBP suggested save your money and wheel 3 sets of your own numbers and go for it. If you win a small amount you can build whatever size wheel you pockets can afford.

          Anytime you want to test your wheeling theory's there are wheels on lottery post you can try and see if your idea pans out.

          Big John says. You don't hit the number. The number hits you!!!!

                         I'm not Big John, I'm Four4me, Big John's a friend.
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            Posted: May 6, 2007, 1:45 am - IP Logged

            Why don't you just use the Bent Wheel system ?

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              Posted: May 6, 2007, 11:30 am - IP Logged

              Hey Bobp..how did you calculated those odds?

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                Posted: May 6, 2007, 10:25 pm - IP Logged

                Hey Bobp..how did you calculated those odds?

                The GH software has a lotto odds calculator, I just enter 10 as the number of numbers on a play ticket instead of 5 and it tells me the odds as if the game accepted such a ticket which in effect is what a 10 number full wheel is.  BobP

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                  Why don't you just use the Bent Wheel system ?

                  Whats the Bent Wheel System ? What?

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                    Posted: May 7, 2007, 1:07 pm - IP Logged

                    Whats the Bent Wheel System ? What?

                    Omniscient

                    This wheel is only for people who are hell bent on winning.

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                      This wheel is only for people who are hell bent on winning.

                      Hot Wheels system!  You got hot numbers you got a Hot Wheel.  Or better yet, Hell on Wheels the 2nd. armored!

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                        Whats the Bent Wheel System ? What?

                        Omniscient

                        I play 10 games every draw.

                        3 of the numbers I use in ALL games.

                        I use 2 different numbers in 5 games each.

                        For the remaining (5th) number, I use 10 different numbers.

                        For the PB itself, I use just 2 numbers in 5 games each.

                        01-02-03-04-31  PB 7

                        01-02-03-04-32  PB 7

                        01-02-03-04-33  PB 7

                        01-02-03-04-34  PB 7

                        01-02-03-04-35  PB 7

                        01-02-03-22-41  PB 29

                        01-02-03-22-42  PB 29

                        01-02-03-22-43  PB 29

                        01-02-03-22-44  PB 29

                        01-02-03-22-45  PB 29

                         

                        I don't know what to call it, so I called it a 'bent wheel'.... 

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                          I thought about this like 2 & 1/2 years ago, but thought that you perhaps had to know a lot about a wheel's code/rules and how to build a wheel....I am putting this out there because, i think that with this idea we probably could CRACK Powerball...It should be easy in theory but maybe hard to put together in real life (or maybe not)...

                          Before i start i'll really appreciate the replies/response of LP members...I have to say, it will not come CHEAP...

                          Here it goes: What if instead of creating ONE big wheel size 45 with a 4/5 that will cost you a vast amount of money , why not create several/lots small wheels size 17 or 15 with 4/5 and replicate it several times until you get the numbers that are going to play in the lotto on those 15 numbers or 17 numbers...What if we create several/lots small wheels size 10 that will give us a several 4/5 and replicate it but each time combining different numbers with numbers not covered previously until we have CONTAIN the 6 numbers that will play on the sized 10 wheel or until we say that all possible group of 10 numbers COVERS/CONTAINS the 6 winning numbers...

                          Were do i get this idea? Maybe this will help you understand what i am saying...I get the idea from the fact that "if 1 person plays a wheel size 10 he is not very likely to contain the 6 winning numbers in the group of 10...But if 200 or 100 people each play a wheel size 10 with different numbers, 1 of them is likely to cover the 6 winning numbers in his/her group of 10"....That's why i was saying why not take a wheel size 10 and replicate it but with different numbers each time so as to optimally covered all possible 6 numbers and this way contain the 6 winning numbers in 1 group of 10...And the great thing about it is that if you contain the 6 winning numbers in a wheel/group of 10 you are VERY LIKELY to have a 6/6 ticket match....(Assuming we were trying to win a pick6/49 game)...The problem with a wheel size 17 is that it will cost a lot more to replicate because a wheel size 14 for example with 2 5/6 match will cost 346 dollars while a wheel size 10 that guarantees 2 5/6 match will cost around 26 dollars (I could be wrong about the 26 dollars for i don't have the exact figure for lotterywheel does not show all the information)...And you don't have to cover all 49 numbers possible, you could put a limit, and say well i am going to cover 35 numbers or 40 numbers with my 10 sized wheel....But if you cover all possible 49 numbers you are guaranteed to have the 6 winning numbers in the 10 sized wheel around 2 times (depends how many times you repeated the 10 sized wheel)...Let's do so math now...If a wheel size 10 that guarantees 2 5/6 match will cost around 26 dollars, then for 200 dollars you should get 16, 5/6 match but i am theorizing (is a theory) that you would have around  2, 10 sized wheel with the 6 winning numbers, making it 32, 5/6 match...And 32, 5/6 match from a field of 49 is a good size covered...You are probably likely to win the particular lotto6/49....And that's a lotto6/49, imagine now a lotto6/42 or lotto6/44? YOu probably end up been a winner EVERY drawing...Why every drawing? Because you end up covering all the field of 49/42/44 numbers with a 10 sized wheel...But it wouldn't come cheap..Those 200 dollars with a wheel that guarantees 16, 5/6 numbers you have to multiply it several/lots of times; several time until you've covered all the field of 49 or 42 or 44 numbers...So if it cost you 100 times that you most multiply that 10 sized wheel of 200 dollars is going to be 200 X 100 = 20,000 (i said it would not come cheap)...But because you've covered all possible ways to contain the field of 49/42/44 numbers in the 10 sized wheel, you are GUARANTEED to have the 6 winning numbers contained/covered in the 10 sized wheel/group...And if you count the 2 times you would/should get the 6 winning numbers contained in the 10 sized wheel, that will be 16, 5/6 X 2 = 32, 5/6....If you take MA's CashWinFall for a 5/6 it pays 4,000 dollars...So 4K X 16, 5/6= 64,000, but because is 2 times is 4K X 32, 5/6 = 128,000 that you will make EVERY DRAWING...So you will spend 20,000 and gain 128,000...But if you look at Ga's Win For Life, which pays 52,000 if you get a 5/6 + bonus ball...I also theorize that you should get the bonus ball on the 10 sized wheel 1 time...This would be 16, 5/6 X 52,000 = 832,000 per draw you would make, and guaranteed too because you are covering the field of 42 (in this case is 42), not to mention that at the same time you would be having 32, 5/6 for every drawing which could have the winning ticket...With those 32, 5/6 you would have 76% chance of having he winning ticket, EVERY DRAWING, not to mention the 64,000 or 128,000 or 832,000 that you would be making from it on EVERY DRAWING...With those figures you are likely to win Win For Life, every month, AT LEAST....

                          But again this is just a THEORY....This is an idea, that you could elaborate on...The wheel doesn't have to be size 10 it could be size 9...But no less than 9 though...

                          Guys, what do you all think...

                          To do what i mentioned you would have to have knowledge of a field of Mathematics that describes in a way what i am trying to do with sized 10 or 9 wheels...The field is called "Set Theory" but more specifically the "Subsets" section of Set Theory and more specifically the "Proper Subset" section of "Subsets"....You would also have to have a knowledge of a field of mathematics called "Combinatorics" (or how to build wheels) which has to do with combinations & permutation...And how to apply the "combinatorics" field to the "Proper Subsets" sections......

                           

                           

                           

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                            Posted: May 9, 2007, 11:25 am - IP Logged

                            Please send me some of the drugs you are on.

                            Why don't you just pick a bunch of numbers based on your criteria and be done with it ?

                            It seems to me you already are doing what you want to do, but you are trying to make it a helluva lot more complicated than it really is. 

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                              i hate wheels  never had much luck with em and too expensive I have another system is a lot cheaper and  since starting it 3 of 6 many times -so far- and know better is coming -sorry won't share it untill I hit good -its so simple its stupid    but yet seems to be working at least some games  when I  hit em good it will be posted in systems 4 sureHat

                               

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