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Moral Question: Doctor or Lottery Winner?

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Posted: July 1, 2007, 6:42 am - IP Logged

If there is a poor person who can not afford a surgery then who has the real moral obligation to pay for that surgery? A wealthy Doctor who performs that type of surgery? Or a random Lottery Winner?

Mind you both would have about the same sort of money. The Doctor from collecting fees for services and the lottery winner from their winnings.

Say both have a net worth of 30 Million for the sake of this poll.

You live a life of abundance! You have won the lottery! Belief creates reality! Believe!

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    Posted: July 1, 2007, 7:52 am - IP Logged

    Neither One!

    A mind once stretched by a new idea never returns to its original dimensions!

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      Posted: July 1, 2007, 8:40 am - IP Logged

      Just because you're rich that doesn't mean you have any sort of obligation to your fellow man.  I mean I'd make sure my family was taken care of and maybe some close friends, but I don't believe there's an obligation to make sure some stranger or poor person is taken care of.  If you're feeling guilty from being rich well then that's just messed up.  I guess you can ease your aching heart by donating to charity or volunteering at a hospital or something.  Plus I don't think a person would want to open that can of worms...soon you'd have every sick poor person knocking down your door for help.

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        Posted: July 1, 2007, 1:54 pm - IP Logged

        That would fall under the realm of National health care insurance...

        oh wait, we don't have that here

         

        Neither of the 2 choices would be morally obligated... but the doctor who has no problem billing insurance $10 for a band-aid and taking kickbacks from insurance companies for denying treatments and NOT ordering tests... Definitely NOT the lottery winner. 

        Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.

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          Posted: July 1, 2007, 2:07 pm - IP Logged

          Neither one.

          Gonna win.Big Smile

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            Posted: July 1, 2007, 2:38 pm - IP Logged

            I do not think you can compare the example.

            The Lottery winner would be donating cash.

            The doctor is only out time lost when it is done on his off time. 

            MAGA

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              Posted: July 1, 2007, 3:05 pm - IP Logged

              The doctor would have no alternative but to proform the life saving surgery.  There is state funds availabe.

              EP

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                Posted: July 1, 2007, 4:58 pm - IP Logged

                If there is a poor person who can not afford a surgery then who has the real moral obligation to pay for that surgery? A wealthy Doctor who performs that type of surgery? Or a random Lottery Winner?

                Mind you both would have about the same sort of money. The Doctor from collecting fees for services and the lottery winner from their winnings.

                Say both have a net worth of 30 Million for the sake of this poll.

                Asking does a wealthy doctor have a moral obligation to perform free surgery is a legitiment question but suggesting that a random Lottery Winner has the moral obligation to pay the wealthy doctor after the wealthy doctor refused is silly.

                "Or a random Lottery Winner?...............Say both have a net worth of 30 Million for the sake of this poll."

                Are you planning on making of list of all Lottery Winners and all people with a net worth of $30Million, put the names in a hat, draw a name, and try to convince them why they have a moral obligation to pay for that surgery simply because their name was drawn?

                To insure it's random will you use ping pong balls or a RNG?

                What happens if you draw the wealthy doctor that refused to do the surgery in the first place; will that be a "test draw"?

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                  Posted: July 1, 2007, 5:33 pm - IP Logged

                  Asking does a wealthy doctor have a moral obligation to perform free surgery is a legitiment question but suggesting that a random Lottery Winner has the moral obligation to pay the wealthy doctor after the wealthy doctor refused is silly.

                  "Or a random Lottery Winner?...............Say both have a net worth of 30 Million for the sake of this poll."

                  Are you planning on making of list of all Lottery Winners and all people with a net worth of $30Million, put the names in a hat, draw a name, and try to convince them why they have a moral obligation to pay for that surgery simply because their name was drawn?

                  To insure it's random will you use ping pong balls or a RNG?

                  What happens if you draw the wealthy doctor that refused to do the surgery in the first place; will that be a "test draw"?

                  Being a bit of an Objectivist (Ayn Rand's Philosophy) I would normally say niether one myself.

                  However I neglected putting that option of niether  on this poll to get a bit of a dialog going.

                  My view is if there were a Moral Obligation which I don't think there is mind you in a situation like this it would fall with the doctor and not some random lottery winner.

                  You live a life of abundance! You have won the lottery! Belief creates reality! Believe!

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                    Posted: July 1, 2007, 7:37 pm - IP Logged

                    manzplan, if you have a moral problem playing the lottery than you shouldn't be playing.  And let me guess, you're about says if you where the lottery winner, you're going to pay for his surgery.  And than you proclaimed your good deed and become a hero, and go online brag about so everyone know the good deeds you just did.  You sound just like John Edward when he still has his money, Except, you Did NOT win the lottery or have that kind of money.

                     

                    I know you want to win a billion dollar jackpot so that you can help needy aminals, yeah sure... I belief you ;)  Greed definitely has No Dept in some human being.

                     

                    manzplan you DO NOT need to justify your greed or reason to play the lottery.

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                      Posted: July 1, 2007, 9:56 pm - IP Logged

                      manzplan, if you have a moral problem playing the lottery than you shouldn't be playing.  And let me guess, you're about says if you where the lottery winner, you're going to pay for his surgery.  And than you proclaimed your good deed and become a hero, and go online brag about so everyone know the good deeds you just did.  You sound just like John Edward when he still has his money, Except, you Did NOT win the lottery or have that kind of money.

                       

                      I know you want to win a billion dollar jackpot so that you can help needy aminals, yeah sure... I belief you ;)  Greed definitely has No Dept in some human being.

                       

                      manzplan you DO NOT need to justify your greed or reason to play the lottery.

                      Wait, isn't this the same guy who said the people that tell news reporters "I'll give to charity if I win" are just trying to get divine intervention? Nobody has a moral obligation if they won the lottery! It's their money, they can spend it how they choose!

                      Gonna win.Big Smile

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                        Posted: July 1, 2007, 10:12 pm - IP Logged

                        You certainly spell like an Ayn Rand admirer, Manzplan.

                        I have never met an admirer of Ayn Rand who was over 15 years old who actually had a life, but that's my experience.

                        It is amazing that sleeping pills were ever invented.  I have always felt that one of the best ways to bore a person into a deep sleep is to read that nonsensical bunch of dullard "philosophy" that constitutes John Galt's interminable (and barely literate) speech in "Atlas Shrugged."

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                          Being a bit of an Objectivist (Ayn Rand's Philosophy) I would normally say niether one myself.

                          However I neglected putting that option of niether  on this poll to get a bit of a dialog going.

                          My view is if there were a Moral Obligation which I don't think there is mind you in a situation like this it would fall with the doctor and not some random lottery winner.

                          In my view the question is irrelevant to the doctor or the lottery winner.  For the doctor his own morality and how he or she even views morality in the first place is the real question.  Another question to the Doctor is how he or she views his morals in relation to his or her own ethics.  And yet another question is how the doctor views his or her professional ethics as it relates to his or her patients.  In my view the lottery winner's view is a question of more of his or her duty to their fellow man or woman and less on their obligation to that individual or person.

                          My view of moral obligation is one of an internal nature.  My personal desires, my upbringing and my conscience would lead me to not help some one who needed a life saving operation.  My primary reasoning is based on me sustaining my financial level I have achieved through the lottery winnings.  Not on my code of conduct in the relation of whether it is right or wrong based on my own set of values.-weshar75

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                            Posted: July 2, 2007, 1:18 am - IP Logged

                            When does it stop ?

                            How many persons do you want to foot the bill for ?

                            Donate some money to a free clinic if you like, but I have not won the lottery and I don't see anyone breaking down my front door to pay any of my bills, and I bet you don't, either.

                            (the answer is 'Neither') 

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                              manzplan, if you have a moral problem playing the lottery than you shouldn't be playing.  And let me guess, you're about says if you where the lottery winner, you're going to pay for his surgery.  And than you proclaimed your good deed and become a hero, and go online brag about so everyone know the good deeds you just did.  You sound just like John Edward when he still has his money, Except, you Did NOT win the lottery or have that kind of money.

                               

                              I know you want to win a billion dollar jackpot so that you can help needy aminals, yeah sure... I belief you ;)  Greed definitely has No Dept in some human being.

                               

                              manzplan you DO NOT need to justify your greed or reason to play the lottery.

                              Aston lol I have no morals.

                               

                              I believe morals are constructs that harm the universe and bind people up in all the false illusions that bind us from achiving perfection as a species and creating a beautiful Earth and universe.

                              I don't believe in ethics either.

                              Everything I do is for myself and that of those I love including my work on environmental issues.  The Earth is my home and animals on the Earth are a part of ecosystems that help my home the Earth run properly......      My concern with saving the environment and those animals is purely a selfish one...... that of protecting a Planet I call home.  I thought I made that clear to you before.

                              The Moral Question is to get people to really think about what they say in regards to who and what people should help with if they have money or means.... any kind of money or means.....

                              Actually I feel niether the Doctor nor the Lottery winner has any sort of obligation to help out in this respect........      However this question was posed so that people who live in the illusions of moral could really examine just what they think.

                              You live a life of abundance! You have won the lottery! Belief creates reality! Believe!