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Do you sometimes think that it's just futile to keep playing for the big one?

NO [ 13 ]  [24.53%]
YES [ 19 ]  [35.85%]
MAYBE [ 2 ]  [3.77%]
To think this way is negative [ 5 ]  [9.43%]
It's not hurting me financially [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
I'm doing just fine [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
This is my only hope in getting out of the ra race [ 8 ]  [15.09%]
To me, it's just a hobby [ 1 ]  [1.89%]
This poll stinks [ 5 ]  [9.43%]
Other [ 0 ]  [0.00%]
Total Valid Votes [ 53 ]  
Discarded Votes [ 2 ]  
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Posted: August 1, 2007, 11:40 am - IP Logged

I agree with the "gotta be in it to win it" mentality.  It only costs a buck for some good daydreams during the day.  When I get discouraged I go back to the day when two co-workers told me I was wasting my time and money.  I have yet to prove them wrong and that gives me all the more impetus for playing the next drawing.

I'm reading through posts and replying now. I agree with this post too. I had co-workers the same way then after a couple of wins they started asking me for numbers. I asked them if it was a waste for me to play why do you need my numbers???

I love doubles and remember, it's just a game!!!!!!


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    Posted: August 1, 2007, 6:54 pm - IP Logged

    Thanx all for responding.

    I made this poll to show how high the odds really are without saying it literally. I'm generally a positive person, yet there's always something nagging at me when I even have the slightest possibility of a flaw. I know...I'm thinking too much, but I can't help it, that's the way I am.

    Here in Florida, the lightning capital of the world....literally, there is a one in seven million chance of being struck by lightning.

    The lotto is about one in 23 million. You have a better chance at getting hit by lightning, 3 times over...LOL

    Of course, the wise truly know that if you don't play at all, you will have zero chance to win. But is that a genuine consolation prize?

    I'm looking at it like this.

    If you had 100 years of analysis material which sorted out the winners from the losers, estimating the cost/profit figures, I could make an educated guess that .09 percent actually make money in the long run.

    How many players are there? And how many winners are there? Just do the math, don't take my word for it. We all know the answer, and that's what I think I was getting at.

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      Posted: August 1, 2007, 7:46 pm - IP Logged

      Actually it's worse,

       

      ODDS OF BECOMING A LIGHTNING VICTIM
      U.S. 2000 Census population280,000,000
      Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (reported deaths + injuries)1/700,000
      Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (estimated total deaths + injuries)1/400,000
      Odds of being struck in your lifetime (Est. 80 years)1/5000
      Odds you will be affected by someone being struck (Ten people affected for every one struck)1/500

       

      http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm

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        Posted: August 1, 2007, 8:27 pm - IP Logged

        Actually it's worse,

         

        ODDS OF BECOMING A LIGHTNING VICTIM
        U.S. 2000 Census population280,000,000
        Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (reported deaths + injuries)1/700,000
        Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (estimated total deaths + injuries)1/400,000
        Odds of being struck in your lifetime (Est. 80 years)1/5000
        Odds you will be affected by someone being struck (Ten people affected for every one struck)1/500

         

        http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm

        This is good:

        http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast05dec_1.htm

        Not related to this article but there are some scientists studying the theory that what initiates the lightning strike are high energy cosmic particles that make it into the upper atmosphere from space, specifically gamma, cosmic rays.  Also it is speculated (but very diffcult to measure) the lightning strike produces X-rays.

        This is what Aerosmith thinks about the entire subject:

        http://youtube.com/watch?v=OnH7KnOyZks&feature=PlayList&p=E1AA0489959FD63A&index=27

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          Posted: August 1, 2007, 8:34 pm - IP Logged

          "If you had 100 years of analysis material which sorted out the winners from the losers, estimating the cost/profit figures, I could make an educated guess that .09 percent actually make money in the long run.

          How many players are there? And how many winners are there? Just do the math, don't take my word for it. We all know the answer, and that's what I think I was getting at."

          It can't be any other way, the states have lotteries to make money and lotteries have to be self supporting.  Where do you think the states get their money and the money they pay the winners?  The losers.  The whole system works because there are millions of losers.  When the winners get paid a million dollars, the states make a million dollars too and who pay for it?  Two million losers.  Chances are if you're participating a lottery you're one of the many losers.

           * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
             
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            Posted: August 1, 2007, 8:54 pm - IP Logged

            Playing the lottery: not futile.

            Trying to win a race against Ra's sun chariot: futile

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              Posted: August 1, 2007, 9:00 pm - IP Logged

              to me it's just a hobby... but none of my other hobbys have a chance of making me any $$$.

              I track some games I don't even play just because I like fooling around with excel and vb.

              the only one I play with any real regularity is the PB, one ticket every draw regardless of JP.

              I know with a ticket it's PoSsIbLe to win

              I know I PrObAbLy won't win

              BUT, I have fun in the process and...

              with no ticket I definitely WON'T win!

              I have also learned that playing more than one ticket for any one game is technically betting against yourself, so my hobby stays cheap...

              Playing more than one ticket per game is betting against yourself.


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                Posted: August 1, 2007, 9:11 pm - IP Logged

                Playing the lottery: not futile.

                Trying to win a race against Ra's sun chariot: futile

                Ra, atleast has a good chance.....lol

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                  Posted: August 1, 2007, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

                  Playing the lottery: not futile.

                  Trying to win a race against Ra's sun chariot: futile

                  Imhotep agrees.

                   Anck-su namen I need you, actually Rachel Weisz will do just fine and dandy.

                   

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                    Posted: August 1, 2007, 9:19 pm - IP Logged

                    Actually it's worse,

                     

                    ODDS OF BECOMING A LIGHTNING VICTIM
                    U.S. 2000 Census population280,000,000
                    Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (reported deaths + injuries)1/700,000
                    Odds of being struck by lightning in a given year (estimated total deaths + injuries)1/400,000
                    Odds of being struck in your lifetime (Est. 80 years)1/5000
                    Odds you will be affected by someone being struck (Ten people affected for every one struck)1/500

                     

                    http://www.lightningsafety.noaa.gov/medical.htm

                    In Florida, it's higher.

                    The chart you present focuses on the general population.

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                      Posted: August 1, 2007, 9:52 pm - IP Logged

                      In Florida, it's higher.

                      The chart you present focuses on the general population.

                      From the second link I posted:

                      noaa pic

                      You mean better odds of getting struck. Yes if you live in Fla., you are more likely to get struck by lightning than winning Powerball or MegaMillions.

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                        Posted: August 1, 2007, 10:03 pm - IP Logged

                        Due to the way the question was posed, I chose to vote: Yes.

                        If a person doesnt go thru those doubting periods and question the validity then they arent playing with desire. Without the desire to win , it would be robotic and boring. 

                        I seriously keep it simple...I either win or I don't. Its not a matter of ratios and overwhleming mathmatical odds. Its either I got the pattern or I don't. I'd like to *beleive* my ticket has some winning combinations. I actually *know* that they probably don't.  Sometimes its my beleif against the natural odds that does keep it simple in playing:)

                        Somethings really are futile. Paying taxes for causes that one really DOESNT have a desire to even be involved or linked to. Dealing with pollution, high gas prices, and increases in products with less in the packages. 

                        ~~Is it true, Is it kind,Is it necessary. ~~~

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                          Posted: August 2, 2007, 8:31 am - IP Logged

                          For a variety of reasons I had to vote Yes too.

                          Some of it has to do with my study of odds, winners and their stories.  How many tickets sold...how many winners, where they came from...how long they've been playing...how many tickets they bought..quick picks versus own picks and any other info I can glean.

                          Some of it has to do with my own experience.  I haven't missed a Powerball draw in over 2 1/2 years.  Regardless of jackpot size I've been in them all.  In the 3 1/2 years prior to that I didn't miss 10 draws total.  (By the way I've never even been close.)  And the same was true of the Hoosier Lottery which I haven't played now for about a year.

                          Part of it is my experience working for a retailer that sold lottery tickets.  I worked for a retailer that had 7 locations in 3 counties in Northwest Indiana.  Over the years I've sold literally thousands and thousands of lottery ticlets and seen and talked to hundreds of players.  

                          When you consider that something like half of all adult Americans claim to play the lottery at least occasionally...and that the lottery overall is a multi-billion dollar industry in the U.S...and only a few dozen people yearly win the Big One...then it certainly does seem like an excersise in futility.

                          But I keep playing and like most of the people in this thread I believe you have to be in it to win it.

                          But damn!  It is frustrating!

                          Jim 


                          Money frees you from doing things you dislike.  Since I dislike doing nearly everything, money is handy.  - Groucho Marx

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                            Posted: August 2, 2007, 9:10 am - IP Logged

                            I want to add something to my post...

                            While I realize that there are litterally millions of people trying to win the Big One...my point is I believe that in an honestly run game like Powerball...I can win.  I tell myself over and over again that I will win...but the reality is despite the frustation that leads to the feelings of futility...I do believe that I can win.  And that is what keeps me playing.

                            I don't know if winners are chosen by luck, fate, destiny, karma, number crunching, or the Hand of God...but I do believe I can win.  And a fair chance is all anyone can ask for when playing a lottery jackpot game.

                            Jim 


                            Money frees you from doing things you dislike.  Since I dislike doing nearly everything, money is handy.  - Groucho Marx

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                              Posted: August 2, 2007, 5:32 pm - IP Logged

                              To participate in a lottery where the odds of winning a jackpot are 1:145M and have a feeling of futility because you don't win the top prize doesn't make sense.  Any one who plays in such a lottery can reasonable expect to never win a jackpot even if they play the game their whole life, that's a given with this type of game.

                               * you don't need to buy more tickets, just buy a winning ticket * 
                                 
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