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Florida P-3 Positional Frequency Test Report

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Florida Pick-3 Positional Frequency Test Report

I decided to conduct a six month test of Pick-3 Positional
Frequency using a 5x5x5 positional wheel making 125 formed
numbers played against the Florida Pick-3 game.

Positional Frequency is the positional ranking by frequency
of the Pick-3 game.  The user selects a range of history to
work with, counts how many times the drawn daily digits hit
in each position, then ranks them from most to least hits.

For this test if any digits in a column are tied for hits
they are listed in numeric order from low to high.


(Digit : Hits) Columns 1-2-3 example is based on 22 draws.

6 : 4 | 3 : 4 | 3 : 7
0 : 3 | 5 : 4 | 2 : 3
1 : 3 | 1 : 3 | 7 : 3
3 : 3 | 0 : 2 | 0 : 2
4 : 3 | 6 : 2 | 1 : 2
8 : 2 | 7 : 2 | 9 : 2
2 : 1 | 8 : 2 | 4 : 1
5 : 1 | 9 : 2 | 6 : 1
7 : 1 | 4 : 1 | 8 : 1
9 : 1 | 2 : 0 | 5 : 0

We use the top 5 in each column to wheel positionally.

6 : 4 | 3 : 4 | 3 : 7 = 633 632 653 652
0 : 3 | 5 : 4 | 2 : 3 = 052 053 037 032
etc.   

After several short tests of 15, 30, 50 and 60 past draws, I
found a number of hits using a history of 22 past draws and
decided to conduct this test using 22 past draws to make the
column chart. 

One does not need to create the wheel to test the system, as
a glance at the columns either finds all three digits within
the top five guaranteeing a winner or one or more digits out
side the top five causing the system to fail.

For those who might be tempted to try the system, the wheel
can be made and printed in seconds using Lottery Director.

Open Lottery Director, select any Pick-3 game, go to [Pick
and Wheel Your Numbers], select [Wheel Your Numbers], under
"Your Numbers" enter the top 5 digits from the first column
and press [N], the page will advance to the second column
position, enter the top 5 digits from your second column and
again press [N], the page will advance to the third column
position, enter the top 5 digits from the third column and
press [N], the page will advance, select [S] Straight Numbers
and [N] No Filtering. The page will open showing 125 Straight
Plays. If you are running an older version of Windows you can
print using (P) newer versions click the C:\ Icon in the upper
left corner and from the drop down box that opens select Edit
and Mark. Drag the cursor over the numbers to hi-light, then
paste them to Note Pad to print.

It should be noted positional wheeling is used only for
straight play, the only way to make any real money with
this game.  While box wins can be found among the numbers
on non-winning days, they do not occur often enough to be
worth playing.

After entering 22 draws, testing began with 12/31/06 and ran
to 07/31/07 with a win at each end.  Initial draws 12/31/06,
01/01/07 and 01/02/07 were wins as was draw 01/06/07 bank
rolling the system on paper. This was important because there
were no hits from 01/07/07 through 01/16/07. The longest dry
spell lasted 22 draws without a win, far beyond the ability of
a doubling system to compensate for.

There were 213 draws, times 125 plays the total cost to play
was $26,625. remember most of this money is action playing
with the state's money. Yes I know, once it's won it's your
money. Remember, if you insist on trying to win every draw you
won't likely win any at all.

There were 35 wins, times $500. is $17,500. so local play is
not recommended.  At the $900. prize the two online places pay
times 35 is $31,500. a more interesting number, a return of
$4,875.

>From 12/31/06 the skip between hits looked like this . . .

0,0,0,4,10,1,0,4,0,6,15,10,0,19,2,3,1,0,0,0,5,22,9,3,13,11,
5,3,4,6,7,1,2,4,2,10

Depth into the 5x5x5 wheel starting from 12/31/06 for the 35
wins was . . .

242 423 411 443 421 151 454 152 411 142 144 334 312 245 132
351 314 442 252 523 245 343 335 254 124 541 543 444 525 525
124 432 444 141 541

Example: 242 means the first digit 2 was found in the second
position of the first column, the second digit 4 was found in
the forth position of the second column and the third digit 2
was found in the second position of the third column.

As you can see, the depth of 5 into each column is required
in 15 out of the 35 wins.

A 4x4x4 = 64 matrix times 213 = $13,632. cost to play. 20 wins
times $500. is $10,000. 20 wins times $900. is $18,000. so the
profit $4,368. remains roughly the same at less risk this time.

There is a system in a book that suggests playing various
ties for first, second and third places in the columns. This
method ranges from as many as 450 plays to as few as 64. It
only picked up a few hits where it went to a depth of 6 or 7
in a column and it also missed hits where it didn't reach as
far down as 5 down, abet at lower cost to lose.

Happenstance, I didn't notice the top numbers in each column
forming a winning number, but the bottom numbers did so twice
as did the second from the bottom once, worth a side bet.

The best way to play appears to be a short term increase in
the amount played after a win for a period of 5 or 6 draws,
dropping back to a maintenance amount afterward for daily play.

Some work needs to be done on the order of tied digits in
the column, they could be based on most recently drawn or
longest out. The key may just be consistency as any long
term change may well work out the same as any other over
time.

As with any lottery system your mileage may vary.

Good luck to you.  BobP

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    The system last hit 12 days ago. 

    On the 12th day Sunday 08/13/07 the system hit again with 2-3-3 the chart depth by position was 342 so the 4x4x4 matrix of 64 numbers was good enough.  12 x $64 = $768 from $900 leaves a profit of $132. for our 12 day investment. BobP

     

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      BobP,

      Thanks for posting the results of your research.  I have been following your posts with interest.  I have been looking for a way to use positional data also for the Florida Cash 3 game.  I have been charting for a few months the hits and skips by position.  I read in one of Gail Howard's books that she could see patterns in the charts that were predictive.  I have yet to find that.  Although I see patterns they don't seem to predict anything.

      However, one thing I have noticed that coincides with what you are doing is that skips by position (at least in the few months data I have charted) very rarely reach or exceed 50.  Right now the number of skips for the digit 5 is 50 in position 3.  I need to do a lot of work to verify that it would be possible to capitalize on this, but I'm  thinking you could use every digit in the other two positions and the 5 in position 3.  It should be necessary to play it for only a few days.  Of course if it took longer it would not be profitable.

      Anyway, thanks again for your posts and good luck.

      Terry

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        BobP,

        Thanks for posting the results of your research.  I have been following your posts with interest.  I have been looking for a way to use positional data also for the Florida Cash 3 game.  I have been charting for a few months the hits and skips by position.  I read in one of Gail Howard's books that she could see patterns in the charts that were predictive.  I have yet to find that.  Although I see patterns they don't seem to predict anything.

        However, one thing I have noticed that coincides with what you are doing is that skips by position (at least in the few months data I have charted) very rarely reach or exceed 50.  Right now the number of skips for the digit 5 is 50 in position 3.  I need to do a lot of work to verify that it would be possible to capitalize on this, but I'm  thinking you could use every digit in the other two positions and the 5 in position 3.  It should be necessary to play it for only a few days.  Of course if it took longer it would not be profitable.

        Anyway, thanks again for your posts and good luck.

        Terry

        BobP, thank you very much for posting info.

         

        then,

        These combos are from the unhit list, last 1000 draws, digit 5 in Pos 3.

        325 605 085 345 585 065 385 565 105 725

        545 905 355 575 945 805 655 975 245 675

        015 295 435 195 795 615 985 275 555 205

        505 125 165 595 095 175 855

         

         

         

         

         The numbers below are the complete Fla Cash 3 history.

         

         

        POS 10123456789 POS 20123456789 POS 30123456789
        HITS713695736686739711685710638727 HITS678661750732712734759650682682 HITS705712714688733670731681710696
        MED7877787787 MED7776766878 MED7777777777
        MAX SKIP75666653654868606278 MAX SKIP58625176686759606384 MAX SKIP619767103547270815459
        AVG10101010101010101110 AVG101191010109111010 AVG10101010101110101010
        MED HITS 371380389350370397352378338374 MED HITS 360340393361385361356337359359 MED HITS 366389382357388337398356378367
        MED AVG18.9757412418.5263157918.0976863820.1142857119.0270270317.732997482018.6243386220.8284023718.82352941 MED SKIP3037294354539113 MED SKIP54381427237986
          
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          CARBOB,

          Thanks a lot for the information you provided.  Have you been playing these unhit numbers?  The 015 comes out in the gap method of Amazing Grace and Fibonacci (225 also comes out in that method).  And the 015 is 1 up from the 050 that hit on July 30.  The 125 is one down from the 162 that hit on Aug. 4.  I'm not sure how much that up/down info. is worth.

          Anyway, I appreciate this info.  I'm trying to decide what to play.  It would sure be a lot easier on the pocket book to play your 37 numbers than the 100 it would take to play the digit 5 in Pos 3 with all possibilities.

          Terry

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            Yes I've been playing from the unhit combos. Last nights draw 233 was from unhit list.

            My plays for 8/13/07 675 125 175 105 065, all over the max skip. Hope this helps. As a reminder, the Front Pair 20 is lurking in the background. It hasn't showed in any of my workouts, yet.

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              CARBOB,

              Thanks a lot.  Yes that is helpful.

              Terry

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                BobP,

                Thanks for posting the results of your research.  I have been following your posts with interest.  I have been looking for a way to use positional data also for the Florida Cash 3 game.  I have been charting for a few months the hits and skips by position.  I read in one of Gail Howard's books that she could see patterns in the charts that were predictive.  I have yet to find that.  Although I see patterns they don't seem to predict anything.

                However, one thing I have noticed that coincides with what you are doing is that skips by position (at least in the few months data I have charted) very rarely reach or exceed 50.  Right now the number of skips for the digit 5 is 50 in position 3.  I need to do a lot of work to verify that it would be possible to capitalize on this, but I'm  thinking you could use every digit in the other two positions and the 5 in position 3.  It should be necessary to play it for only a few days.  Of course if it took longer it would not be profitable.

                Anyway, thanks again for your posts and good luck.

                Terry

                Once again I made three Florida one ball data bases in Gail Howard for Pick-3 by position, 1000 past draws, then started checking the last couple of hundred draws as if playing from that date forward. As there are multiple charts (3,4,6,7,D) I had to check if each would have provided a win and then all of them in combination (w) with 6 ways to structure the chart and with some charts going to 7 picks I was surprised to find I wasn't getting wins in the top 5 picks across the three columns.  I only tested about 50 draws before giving up in the realization my current method was doing better with a 4x4x4 grid then GH with a 5x5x5 grid.  BobP

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                  BobP,

                  Thanks for the additional explanation, but I did understand what you were doing and knew it was based on analysis of frequency data.  I was simply saying that I had looked at playing positionally based on number of skips before hits, by position.  Since Jan. 1, 2007 there have been 5 times when the number of skips for any digit has reached 50 skips.  Hits occured after 54 skips twice, 52 skips once and 50 skips once.  The digit 5 in position 3 is now at 51 skips.  If one played the 5 digit in position 3 and all 10 digits in positions 1 and 2 it would be 100 plays compared to the 125 straights your experiment used.

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                    Tben

                    look back at carbob's data  maximun (so far) skip was 75.  You may get lucky on day one, but more likely you will need deep pockets.

                    best of luck

                     

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                      Phileight,

                      Thanks for your interest.  I have seen in Lotsoft output that there have been higher max skips in the past.  I think one could profit by playing this situation, but your point about deep pockets is exactly why I haven't yet tried.

                      Terry

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                        These are the hits this month from the Combos Unhit List. I used the data from 7/31/07 back for 1000 draws. The hard part is finding the right filter to make your choices. The hits are there.

                         

                         

                        08/14/07083
                        08/13/07919Came From UnHit List
                        08/12/07233Came From UnHit List
                        08/11/07010
                        08/10/07506Came From UnHit List
                        08/09/07989
                        08/08/07263Came From UnHit List
                        08/07/07721Came From UnHit List
                        08/06/07443Came From UnHit List
                        08/05/07939Came From UnHit List
                        08/04/07162Came From UnHit List
                        08/03/07348Came From UnHit List
                        08/02/07281Came From UnHit List
                        08/01/07848Came From UnHit List
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                          The system last hit 12 days ago. 

                          On the 12th day Sunday 08/13/07 the system hit again with 2-3-3 the chart depth by position was 342 so the 4x4x4 matrix of 64 numbers was good enough.  12 x $64 = $768 from $900 leaves a profit of $132. for our 12 day investment. BobP

                           

                           Hi all ...

                            Here's my spin on it which does well for me. Everyone seems to be wanting to hit the straights all the time, which is nice and all, but hitting straights is alot harder than hitting boxed. Why not get get paid for having your 3 numbers drawn ?

                            I go back 12 draws and pick the 6 numbers that come out the most in that time-frame, then wheel those 6 top numbers producing 18 picks. A hit boxed for $1 pays 80 dollars. A chance for a profit of $62 a day with odds that are better in my favor seem good to me.

                            Chances are best to play right after a double digit comes out, thats when to play the very next day. It has been my experience to keep playing a hot streak..and when you lose 3 in a row, play every other day or after that double digit comes out until your next win (which wont be far off). 

                          *Note: Wheeling 7 #'s can get expensive, so 6 #'s is more practical, and profitable. I sometimes wheel 5 #'s for a cost of $10 ... a $70 profit margin.  Yeah ..it's not the hundreds you want to win from picking straights, but its pocket cash and better chances of hitting. 

                             Best of Luck... and please play responsibly! ..and don't throw all your winnings back into the lottery...spend it and have a good time with it... go see a movie, go out to dinner one night with your winnings, etc.... that's how you really win !!

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                            CARBOB,

                            Thanks for the info.  Are you playing those straight and how many numbers in the list of unhit in last 1000 draws?

                            Thanks,

                            Terry

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                              Omniscient,

                              Although researching a positional approach, I have been playing something similar to your method, based on a book I read by Isaac Nwokogba, titled Easy Dollars.  I have been been using 7 digits but have developed a limited wheel based on back testing to Jan, 2007.  I have been playing 16 numbers, but some for only 50 cents boxed.  An interesting approach of the author of the book is to vary your betting by playing all numbers you've wheeled for 50 cents boxed, and adding another 50 cents on 25% of the numbers and playing boxed and on another 25% of the numbers playing Straight/Boxed.

                              The author recommends choosing the first three digits from the highest frequency digits in the last 20 draws, then looking at the last 10 draws for an additional one or two digits, and then choosing your last digits to use from the last 5 draws.

                              I just started playing this method about two weeks ago and have had three hits.

                              Good Luck,

                              Terry